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The flybe website is showing only one BHD flight a day from BRS this winter.
Given the airline's rapid expansion at EXE, could this signal the end of its interest in BRS? Any info/thoughts?
Given the airline's rapid expansion at EXE, could this signal the end of its interest in BRS? Any info/thoughts?
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Last year BRS-DUB (EI and FR) carried 254,000 scheduled pax and CWL-DUB (FR and 6G) carried 100,000 sched pax. (I have been told on this MB that figures can be 'tweaked' so I give these CAA official stats with that warning).
As for an EK service, I don't see why not. CWL-DXB 6x weekly. Probably using an A330. Could work I guess!
Isn't CWL getting a new dual carriageway from the M4 to provide an easy connection for passengers.
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We did discuss Flybe's scaling down of its BRS-BHD schedule in this thread about three weeks ago. For what's it's worth I believe that Flybe may have recognised the futility of trying to compete with easyJet on the Belfast route, especially in winter, albeit easy goes to BFS and Flybe to BHD.
That said, I would not be surprised to see a return of this summer's Flybe BRS-BHD schedule in summer 2006.
From BRS's point of view it's not all doom and gloom with Flybe because on the plus side the Bergerac is running thoughout the winter (3 rotations per week - last winter it did not start until February), and there is a M, W, F plus (I think Sun) Jersey rotation when Flybe had none last winter. In addition the Bordeaux (4 weekly rotations) and the Toulouse (6) will continue through the winter as last year.
Whether Flybe's undoubted success at EXT has blunted the airline's enthusiasm for BRS is cetainly debatable. When Flybe announced expansion at BRS about three years ago it was reported in the local press that the airline expected to have around fifteen routes within a year or two. Well, they haven't - yet.
I think similar expectations/hopes about Flybe expansion were in the air at other airports such as NCL and LBA. Thus far new routes have been relatively limited at those places as well.
We might have to wait until the sale of EXT to the owners of BRS is either allowed or blocked (OFT currently investigating the possible anti competitiveness question of such a sale) to see the full scale of Flybe's plans for BRS vis-a-vis EXT.
We did discuss Flybe's scaling down of its BRS-BHD schedule in this thread about three weeks ago. For what's it's worth I believe that Flybe may have recognised the futility of trying to compete with easyJet on the Belfast route, especially in winter, albeit easy goes to BFS and Flybe to BHD.
That said, I would not be surprised to see a return of this summer's Flybe BRS-BHD schedule in summer 2006.
From BRS's point of view it's not all doom and gloom with Flybe because on the plus side the Bergerac is running thoughout the winter (3 rotations per week - last winter it did not start until February), and there is a M, W, F plus (I think Sun) Jersey rotation when Flybe had none last winter. In addition the Bordeaux (4 weekly rotations) and the Toulouse (6) will continue through the winter as last year.
Whether Flybe's undoubted success at EXT has blunted the airline's enthusiasm for BRS is cetainly debatable. When Flybe announced expansion at BRS about three years ago it was reported in the local press that the airline expected to have around fifteen routes within a year or two. Well, they haven't - yet.
I think similar expectations/hopes about Flybe expansion were in the air at other airports such as NCL and LBA. Thus far new routes have been relatively limited at those places as well.
We might have to wait until the sale of EXT to the owners of BRS is either allowed or blocked (OFT currently investigating the possible anti competitiveness question of such a sale) to see the full scale of Flybe's plans for BRS vis-a-vis EXT.
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One for MV.......
Aer Arran were in and out today RE 431/432 Cork and look to be flying the normal Sunday flights as well.
Nothing showing in the online timetables for a Saturday, though it's in the BRS "mayfly" for next Saturday as well.
MH
Aer Arran were in and out today RE 431/432 Cork and look to be flying the normal Sunday flights as well.
Nothing showing in the online timetables for a Saturday, though it's in the BRS "mayfly" for next Saturday as well.
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Can't answer this one, I'm afraid. As you say the Aer Arann web timetable is still showing rotations only on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. Perhaps one of our posters based at BRS might know the answer.
And they might also be able to answer this one.
I see BY have had a few delays at BRS over the past two days with a Titan B 733 standing in for the usual B 757 on today's IBZ (it arrived BRS at 2044 instead of the scheduled 1350). I don't know if the Titan also worked the outbound to IBZ.
My question is, assuming there were more pax booked to travel than can be accommodated on a 733, does anyone know how the excess pax were conveyed?
Can't answer this one, I'm afraid. As you say the Aer Arann web timetable is still showing rotations only on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. Perhaps one of our posters based at BRS might know the answer.
And they might also be able to answer this one.
I see BY have had a few delays at BRS over the past two days with a Titan B 733 standing in for the usual B 757 on today's IBZ (it arrived BRS at 2044 instead of the scheduled 1350). I don't know if the Titan also worked the outbound to IBZ.
My question is, assuming there were more pax booked to travel than can be accommodated on a 733, does anyone know how the excess pax were conveyed?
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The BY 006B MAH flight that got delayed saturday afternoon went to luton to be repaired then, flew back to BRS to collect the pax at 10.30ish and a another BY 757 from MAN came it to operate the later BY 083A LPA flight that eveining too round about 10.45pm. The BRS BY 757 G-BYAT i think had a APU problem and for the past couple of days has required a Air Start on start up.
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Re will operate a Saturday rotation for the remainder of the summer and into the winter until next March.
Believe they had spare capacity on a Saturday and the BRS-ORK demand was good
Believe they had spare capacity on a Saturday and the BRS-ORK demand was good
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Been told today by a friend who went to an EK recruitment day in Cardiff city centre that they are definatly going into CWL nxt year some time, no further details yet, now i figure that as the boyos over the bridge gave BRS a caining on here regarding our CO New York route, do we really think CWL will be able to fill a daily DXB A330? Sorry but me thinks not!
Let the debate begin!
Let the debate begin!
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It will be interesting to see if that route wth EK will be true, i mean it would work if there was a stop over like BRS or DSA to fill the seats. I think EK r jst doing their research first, it may not come to nothing. As 6months ago EK were looking round BRS for the route, i dont think BRS for even get EK unless they could provide space for a A330. Gd luck to CWL if they get it, so another airport in the south west is doing well. I think DSA would get a daily EK route soon.
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Rampboy - My friend said it definatly came out there mouths that CWL was to get EK, shame it cant be BRS though, but probably boils down to runway at the end of the day.
Graham - Rivalry, you love it really, in a way it is good to see CWL finally picking up, but as i'm English, live in Somerset and work at BRS I say go shove it up your arse CWL (Only joking MOD and Windsheer)
Graham - Rivalry, you love it really, in a way it is good to see CWL finally picking up, but as i'm English, live in Somerset and work at BRS I say go shove it up your arse CWL (Only joking MOD and Windsheer)
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Many thanks for that.
WATABENCH
You express doubt about EK filling a daily 330 from CWL to DXB. Is it not more likely the route would operate perhaps three times a week and/or in conjunction with another UK airport? Perhaps somewhere like DSA as has been suggested.
Speaking of DSA, there is a current thread suggesting it will be Ryanair's next base. However, two posters to that thread assert FR's next base won't be DSA but BRS.
All good fun to keep the rumour mill turning.
Graham
NCL v MME can be a bit of a partisan argument at times as well.
Incidentally, there has been a traditional rivalry between the cities of Bristol and Cardiff for many years and not just in aviation.
Many thanks for that.
WATABENCH
You express doubt about EK filling a daily 330 from CWL to DXB. Is it not more likely the route would operate perhaps three times a week and/or in conjunction with another UK airport? Perhaps somewhere like DSA as has been suggested.
Speaking of DSA, there is a current thread suggesting it will be Ryanair's next base. However, two posters to that thread assert FR's next base won't be DSA but BRS.
All good fun to keep the rumour mill turning.
Graham
NCL v MME can be a bit of a partisan argument at times as well.
Incidentally, there has been a traditional rivalry between the cities of Bristol and Cardiff for many years and not just in aviation.
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GrahamK, admittedly on pprunne NCL vs MME tends to be more banter than outright hostility, maybe due to the posters on here tending to be well educated and well informed people, or is that just the impression I get
On other aviation forums though, that I have come across and I might add that I don't take part in, the NCL people tend to belittle MME and are down right rude and act as if they haven't grown out of short trousers. They seem think MME is some sort of toy town airport. This has occasionaly been said on here, these people who say these things probably do not work in aviation or are not well informed on the activities at MME. These people tend to only read passenger numbers and little else, they forget about all other traffic and activities that take place at airports.
NCL people also tend to forget that MME is sandwiched betwwen NCL and LBA where as NCL only has EDI which is quite a distance from NCL.
My attitude is NCL and MME are benifits to the North East region as a whole, it's just ashame MME doesn't get it fair share of passengers. It just ashame that other people can't see this.
On other aviation forums though, that I have come across and I might add that I don't take part in, the NCL people tend to belittle MME and are down right rude and act as if they haven't grown out of short trousers. They seem think MME is some sort of toy town airport. This has occasionaly been said on here, these people who say these things probably do not work in aviation or are not well informed on the activities at MME. These people tend to only read passenger numbers and little else, they forget about all other traffic and activities that take place at airports.
NCL people also tend to forget that MME is sandwiched betwwen NCL and LBA where as NCL only has EDI which is quite a distance from NCL.
My attitude is NCL and MME are benifits to the North East region as a whole, it's just ashame MME doesn't get it fair share of passengers. It just ashame that other people can't see this.
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I have to say, and I will sound completely biast!
There seems to be a big thing on the CWL/BRS rivalry at the moment!! Having worked at and travelled out of both - it would have to be CWL every time for me, the friendliness and attitude in Cardiff knocks BRS to the bottom of the league (and Watabench will probably even swallow himself and admit that!).
Go on mate, you can do it
As far as the EK thing is concerned, would they neccesarily choose BRS over CWL if the runway was adequate - there is probably more in it than that. Cardiff has been operating a Toronto now for quite a few years (do-able from Brs), with Travel City filling a 747 to Orlando every week. Again would they choose BRS if the runway was long enough - me thinks not.
Some airlines are starting to realise that if flights are available from CWL, they will sell, regardless of what is at BRS. The good old welsh Chav's will choose their native soil every time!!! !!! !!!
I am certainly not digging the good old Bristolians, and I hope that runway gets extended in years to come so that Long haul can start, and bring plenty of jobs for us Welsh to come over and nab!!
Cheers all, Bring it on then........
There seems to be a big thing on the CWL/BRS rivalry at the moment!! Having worked at and travelled out of both - it would have to be CWL every time for me, the friendliness and attitude in Cardiff knocks BRS to the bottom of the league (and Watabench will probably even swallow himself and admit that!).
Go on mate, you can do it
As far as the EK thing is concerned, would they neccesarily choose BRS over CWL if the runway was adequate - there is probably more in it than that. Cardiff has been operating a Toronto now for quite a few years (do-able from Brs), with Travel City filling a 747 to Orlando every week. Again would they choose BRS if the runway was long enough - me thinks not.
Some airlines are starting to realise that if flights are available from CWL, they will sell, regardless of what is at BRS. The good old welsh Chav's will choose their native soil every time!!! !!! !!!
I am certainly not digging the good old Bristolians, and I hope that runway gets extended in years to come so that Long haul can start, and bring plenty of jobs for us Welsh to come over and nab!!
Cheers all, Bring it on then........
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I can remember reading that the next UK airport EK wanted to operate to was Edinburgh. I believe they originally wanted to operate to EDI but because of poor facilities they turned to Glasgow instead? But they may of dropped the idea and decided on CWL/BRS?
EK's Dubai flights from the UK serve two passenger groups:
1) Asians returning 'home' to India or Pak via DXB
2) Increasingly large numbers of tourists visiting the massive building site that is Dubai. They are building hotels, villas & apartments as though they are going out of fashion. It's the new Benidorm
So the questions are - are there sufficient Asians in South Wales/South West wanting to return 'home'?
- do the people of the South West/South Wales have sufficient disposable income to buy holidays in Dubai?
1) Asians returning 'home' to India or Pak via DXB
2) Increasingly large numbers of tourists visiting the massive building site that is Dubai. They are building hotels, villas & apartments as though they are going out of fashion. It's the new Benidorm
So the questions are - are there sufficient Asians in South Wales/South West wanting to return 'home'?
- do the people of the South West/South Wales have sufficient disposable income to buy holidays in Dubai?
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Some good points well made by Windsheer, but I dont think that genrally CWL staff are friendlier than BRS staff, I've worked in CWL a few times and yes most people I met are nice, but then most people I work with in BRS with are friendly too, now if you were to say the Totty content in CWL rates higher per 10 pax service agents then i'm intent on agreeing with you! but I'm still not buying that if BRS had a longer runway airlines would choose CWL over BRS, C'mon does anyone but Windsheer really believe that? You cant tell me that if BRS's runway was the same length as CWL that no operators would want to do long haul because it's sat on top of a hill in Somerset, and gets a bit foggy now and again!
In response to LGS6753 I would say yes to both questions.
1. There are large asian communities in many Wales/West country cities, Cardiff, Gloucester, Swindon, Yeovil, and Bristol all have very large communities.
2. As most people that post on here are aware the South west of England is the most prosperous area of the UK outside of London, so disposable income is not a problem either
Theres definatley a market here whether it goes out of BRS or CWL!
In response to LGS6753 I would say yes to both questions.
1. There are large asian communities in many Wales/West country cities, Cardiff, Gloucester, Swindon, Yeovil, and Bristol all have very large communities.
2. As most people that post on here are aware the South west of England is the most prosperous area of the UK outside of London, so disposable income is not a problem either
Theres definatley a market here whether it goes out of BRS or CWL!
