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There is also the daily Bristol-Newark (Continental) starting in April.
I think its a bit ambitious though. They had just as well advertise it as a Bristol-Cardiff-Newark, or Bristol-Glasgow-Newark. A 3 figure QNH will probably guarantee a Tech stop.
I think its a bit ambitious though. They had just as well advertise it as a Bristol-Cardiff-Newark, or Bristol-Glasgow-Newark. A 3 figure QNH will probably guarantee a Tech stop.
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Windsheer
We've done this before.
Do you think the world 6th largest airline would start a transatlantic service without looking at performance payload issues.
Take it from me they have fully looked into this to ensure direct flights from Bristol - the new wingletted B757's will even allow for additional cargo even when pressure is low , the runway is wet , headwinds are strong and when additional vectoring is required to take it over your house if you want!
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We've done this before.
Do you think the world 6th largest airline would start a transatlantic service without looking at performance payload issues.
Take it from me they have fully looked into this to ensure direct flights from Bristol - the new wingletted B757's will even allow for additional cargo even when pressure is low , the runway is wet , headwinds are strong and when additional vectoring is required to take it over your house if you want!
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I am in no way technical but, if 'a bristolian' is the user name of the person I think it is, he is well qualified when it comes to talking about routes and a/c capabilities at BRS.
I notice you have a Wales address which interests me because when it appeared that BRS and CWL were going head to head for the CO EWR route the talk in the Principality, both political and in the aviation community, seemed to be that CWL would win out because of its longer runway.
I remember reading a paper from a noted Welsh transport expert saying that it was certain that if either airport got the route it would be CWL because no airline would 'risk' BRS's so-called table-top runway. By risk he meant commercial operations, not safety, of course.
I wonder if the CWL management believed this and did not fight as hard for the route as their counterparts across the Severn because they believed they had it 'in the bag'.
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I note the November BRS pax figures with interest: charter traffic down for the month by 31% on the previous November but total traffic up 16%. The running year shows charter traffic down 1% but total traffic up 16%, again compared with the previous period last year.
Just got back from ACE and the flights each way seemed well filled on the Britannia charter.
I am in no way technical but, if 'a bristolian' is the user name of the person I think it is, he is well qualified when it comes to talking about routes and a/c capabilities at BRS.
I notice you have a Wales address which interests me because when it appeared that BRS and CWL were going head to head for the CO EWR route the talk in the Principality, both political and in the aviation community, seemed to be that CWL would win out because of its longer runway.
I remember reading a paper from a noted Welsh transport expert saying that it was certain that if either airport got the route it would be CWL because no airline would 'risk' BRS's so-called table-top runway. By risk he meant commercial operations, not safety, of course.
I wonder if the CWL management believed this and did not fight as hard for the route as their counterparts across the Severn because they believed they had it 'in the bag'.
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If I have mis-identified you please accept my apologies but I believe we have conversed elsewhere when you correctly guessed my PPRuNe 'handle'.
I note the November BRS pax figures with interest: charter traffic down for the month by 31% on the previous November but total traffic up 16%. The running year shows charter traffic down 1% but total traffic up 16%, again compared with the previous period last year.
Just got back from ACE and the flights each way seemed well filled on the Britannia charter.
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A few interesting places mentioned in this thread.
I think the one you mentioned regarding Tommie Cook is most probaly a no go. A lot of rumour regarding TCX going back to BRS has been going around within the last couple of months. However I belive the weekly w service sched for the next summer will not be happening. However hope oneday they will go back there as it was such a good little base. Im sure that a few of us BRS exiles would love to go back there. Who knows 2006. Just a question for those on here as my BRS/STN contact has been away on holiday. What has the TCX A320 doing the ACE and TFS flights been doing as I saw it in the picture on the news the other day and wondered what it was still doing there in mid week.
I think the one you mentioned regarding Tommie Cook is most probaly a no go. A lot of rumour regarding TCX going back to BRS has been going around within the last couple of months. However I belive the weekly w service sched for the next summer will not be happening. However hope oneday they will go back there as it was such a good little base. Im sure that a few of us BRS exiles would love to go back there. Who knows 2006. Just a question for those on here as my BRS/STN contact has been away on holiday. What has the TCX A320 doing the ACE and TFS flights been doing as I saw it in the picture on the news the other day and wondered what it was still doing there in mid week.
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a bristolian, sort me out a bit extra in the old "rock of ages", give me windsheer's postcode and I guarantee my vectoring will have his roof tiles off!
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Just a quick note for a bristolian and merchant venturer, I actually work at BRS so was not being welsh/english biast in any way and am also fairly 'in the know' myself.
You have got to admit, if there is low pressure the drivers are going to have to have a good look at their perf' to ensure they have the range.
Two questions:
When will 12 be CATIII, if you are coming into 27 with a slight tail you are struggling to stop. (Completely irrelevant, just asking)
Also haven't looked at the 757/winglet development, any idea what the performance enhancement is in figures. Apologies I did not realise Continental were operating these a/c.
P.s. For all those that thought I was trying to start a civil war, I was just stating a valid point, and I am still confident there will be the odd tech stop.
You have got to admit, if there is low pressure the drivers are going to have to have a good look at their perf' to ensure they have the range.
Two questions:
When will 12 be CATIII, if you are coming into 27 with a slight tail you are struggling to stop. (Completely irrelevant, just asking)
Also haven't looked at the 757/winglet development, any idea what the performance enhancement is in figures. Apologies I did not realise Continental were operating these a/c.
P.s. For all those that thought I was trying to start a civil war, I was just stating a valid point, and I am still confident there will be the odd tech stop.
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I am certainly not anti Wales or anti Cardiff, as a number of my posts have made clear in the past.
I am not in the industry but, as someone of (I think) at least moderate intelligence, I cannot understand why CWL is not better provided for in terms of flights.
I am a fairly regular leisure traveller these days, being retired and paying for myself, and I like all the airports in the south west quadrant of the UK to do well - I like all airlines and airports to succeed of course, but this is my particular interest because this is where I live.
At present BRS and EXT are having an excellent run (as are PLH and NQY in their more modest ways) and I cannot think that CWL will not pick up some of the gravy soon too.
Do you mean Cat III on 09? If so, I have read that the topography of the surrounding land makes this technically difficult if not impossible, but I am not a techie and if I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me.
I am certainly not anti Wales or anti Cardiff, as a number of my posts have made clear in the past.
I am not in the industry but, as someone of (I think) at least moderate intelligence, I cannot understand why CWL is not better provided for in terms of flights.
I am a fairly regular leisure traveller these days, being retired and paying for myself, and I like all the airports in the south west quadrant of the UK to do well - I like all airlines and airports to succeed of course, but this is my particular interest because this is where I live.
At present BRS and EXT are having an excellent run (as are PLH and NQY in their more modest ways) and I cannot think that CWL will not pick up some of the gravy soon too.
Do you mean Cat III on 09? If so, I have read that the topography of the surrounding land makes this technically difficult if not impossible, but I am not a techie and if I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me.
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MV is absolutely correct about the terrain on the approach to 09 making a Cat 3 ILS unworkable.
I believe that there are plans to upgrade it to Cat 2 though which will be a bonus as BRS with its 600' (ish) elevation gets more than its fair share of fog!!
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I believe that there are plans to upgrade it to Cat 2 though which will be a bonus as BRS with its 600' (ish) elevation gets more than its fair share of fog!!
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Apologies lads,
I meant 09 not 12 but you all new what I meant......
I know we are drifting away, but wasnt there talk of them altering the heading of the runway at BRS to take advantage of some more land available for expansion?? It was a while back I heard that though.
Merchant venturer, I think you are dead right about CWL picking up some gravy soon, prepare for the 'Emirates' announcement.
EXT is certainly doing well, although at the moment simply dont have the facilities to handle much more than what they have currently got (which isn't really a lot). I believe they have got the plans for their extension but lack the funding. Fingers crossed for them as there are some really friendly staff down there!!
Cheers all.
I meant 09 not 12 but you all new what I meant......
I know we are drifting away, but wasnt there talk of them altering the heading of the runway at BRS to take advantage of some more land available for expansion?? It was a while back I heard that though.
Merchant venturer, I think you are dead right about CWL picking up some gravy soon, prepare for the 'Emirates' announcement.
EXT is certainly doing well, although at the moment simply dont have the facilities to handle much more than what they have currently got (which isn't really a lot). I believe they have got the plans for their extension but lack the funding. Fingers crossed for them as there are some really friendly staff down there!!
Cheers all.
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Hi - a few points
Standard Jet Dep
TCX PMI will operate next year each Tuesday. Flight is now A320 off I think LGW . A number of seats are sold to Ocean Village for cruise off Palma,
This Winter TCX have based A320 operating in house ACE and TFS flights with other occasional ad-hocs incl a few lapland flights.
Hopefully plane will be back next Winter and yes BRS is as popular as ever with crews!!!
Nakata 77
BA new routes - well its Christmas isn't it!!!
Windsheer - again NO tech stop required.
Standard Jet Dep
TCX PMI will operate next year each Tuesday. Flight is now A320 off I think LGW . A number of seats are sold to Ocean Village for cruise off Palma,
This Winter TCX have based A320 operating in house ACE and TFS flights with other occasional ad-hocs incl a few lapland flights.
Hopefully plane will be back next Winter and yes BRS is as popular as ever with crews!!!
Nakata 77
BA new routes - well its Christmas isn't it!!!
Windsheer - again NO tech stop required.
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I think that BA's and Easyjets new routes for next summer will be released in the New year.
Rumours Ba to increase FRA to twice a day an extra EDI and MXP.
Easy possibly to Orly all rumours of course.
Windsheer- If you work at Brs how did you not know CO were operating the EWR with all the press releases and advertisement?
T21
Rumours Ba to increase FRA to twice a day an extra EDI and MXP.
Easy possibly to Orly all rumours of course.
Windsheer- If you work at Brs how did you not know CO were operating the EWR with all the press releases and advertisement?
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BRT to Milan? Interesting.
As far as COA out of Bristol is concerned, I was aware that, at its MTOW, the 757 will probably have to tech stop in Shannon if runway 09 is in use? As they will have to take off fuel to reduce weight, thus requiring a fuel stop in Shannon, or am I wrong since the performance is increased with the winglets?
Dan.
P.S. Runway 09 is CAT II now as far as I know, as others have said CAT III is not possible due to the terrain.
As far as COA out of Bristol is concerned, I was aware that, at its MTOW, the 757 will probably have to tech stop in Shannon if runway 09 is in use? As they will have to take off fuel to reduce weight, thus requiring a fuel stop in Shannon, or am I wrong since the performance is increased with the winglets?
Dan.
P.S. Runway 09 is CAT II now as far as I know, as others have said CAT III is not possible due to the terrain.
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I disagree regarding your points about EXT. I still believe there is capacity at EXT, especially in the mornings and the evenings. Flybe's new services to CDG (twice daily), increased frequencies to EDI and new daily flights to LBA and LPL will increase passenger numbers in 05/06 and bring EXT closer to 1 million. I also think we'll get a service to MAN and possibly ABZ and NWI. Passenger figures for this financial year look set to hit around 3/4m up from 400,000 last year. All we need now is AMS with KLM! Also as a Devonian I was pleased EXT attracted the flight to BES over BRS. Think this was partly due to the fact virtually every town, village and city in Cornwall & Devon is twinned with one in Brittany. The airport will be sold this year so hopefully the new £20m terminal will open by 2008. Things are looking up for all the airports in the South West!
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I believe we have had this discussion before about the tech stop in Shannon and I thought the general consencesus was that co would not have started a BRS/EWR service if it wasnt Direct, Possibly it might have been a BRS/SNN/EWR with a split load?
Devonair
What if EXT is Bought by BRS airport wouldnt that make things interesting?
Any more news on routes HAM/SNN/LIS/ATH?
T21
I believe we have had this discussion before about the tech stop in Shannon and I thought the general consencesus was that co would not have started a BRS/EWR service if it wasnt Direct, Possibly it might have been a BRS/SNN/EWR with a split load?
Devonair
What if EXT is Bought by BRS airport wouldnt that make things interesting?
Any more news on routes HAM/SNN/LIS/ATH?
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Has BRS airport put a bid in for EXT? I heard the bidding process had attracted a lot of interest especially after Flybe's announcement of the CDG service. It would certainly be interesting as I feel the SW Region can sustain 2 International airports (I consider BOH more South of England than SW). PLH and NQY would continue to function for their own niche markets. NQY primarily as inbound low cost and PLH as business focused linking the city to larger UK hubs.
Has BRS airport put a bid in for EXT? I heard the bidding process had attracted a lot of interest especially after Flybe's announcement of the CDG service. It would certainly be interesting as I feel the SW Region can sustain 2 International airports (I consider BOH more South of England than SW). PLH and NQY would continue to function for their own niche markets. NQY primarily as inbound low cost and PLH as business focused linking the city to larger UK hubs.