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Old 21st Sep 2016, 17:55
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Would really like to see the grants that Derry airport will receive to be used to provide a rail stop at Derry airport. It would make Derry airport far more accessible to a lot of people in northern Ireland as the roads are terrible, particularly in the northwest.
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 18:55
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"Knock seems to do fairly well without any Ryanair base, even exceptionally well."

Seems that even the Statues at Knock will be having more movements than Eglinton soon!!
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 20:00
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Eglinton has a dual carriageway running past it, carrying thousands of cars a day. There's also lots of buses which move too, though not quite as fast as the cars. That's a LOT of movements.

Shame City of Derry Airport isn't a bit busier, bringing things back to aviation ��
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Amelia Earhart
There are 15 other airports in the UK serving over 100K but less than 1M pax p.a.

There are also several others in the South of Ireland.

These airports must have similar viability problems as Derry. How are they funded?. How much are their losses.

Plymouth airport closed in 2011. Blackpool was busier than Derry with even 12 international routes but closed in 2014 (since reopened but with just 30K pax in 2015).

Extinction is a real possibility.
Knock charges €10 to departing passenger which must go a long way to covering losses as do airports like norwhich, Durham tees valley and up until recently Newquay - seems to be the most sustainable model to be honest when passengers less than a million where it's impossible to turn a profit especially when you have a low cost carrier as your main source of passengers
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 22:56
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The connectivity to Derry airport is appalling. I have driven from Belfast to Derry many a time, it`s like a third world road in places.
Sooner A5 and A6 is built the better. However, a rail stop at Derry airport wouldn`t just attract passengers from Derry, but all the towns east on the rail line all the way to Belfast.
The easier it is to get to Derry airport, the better it can compete with BFS.
For now, I am sure the London Stansted route will reappear from BFS in not too long.
Meanwhile, please headhunt the Knock airport management and bring them to Derry!!!
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 13:14
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7 local councils in the Republic, including Donegal, actually invested in Knock airport last year.

Why should Donegal County Council provide financial support to Knock airport? | Donegal Now

Seven local authorities to invest in Knock Airport - Independent.ie
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 13:38
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Originally Posted by CCR
The connectivity to Derry airport is appalling. I have driven from Belfast to Derry many a time, it`s like a third world road in places.
Sooner A5 and A6 is built the better. However, a rail stop at Derry airport wouldn`t just attract passengers from Derry, but all the towns east on the rail line all the way to Belfast.
The easier it is to get to Derry airport, the better it can compete with BFS.
For now, I am sure the London Stansted route will reappear from BFS in not too long.
Meanwhile, please headhunt the Knock airport management and bring them to Derry!!!
Referring to 'third' world infrastructure is symptomatic of the grand delusion NI folk seem to have about our status in the world. We ARE a poor country that is lumped in a Union which is camoflaging our real status. A touch of realism is needed for the country as a whole. NI does not need 3 airports and at some point in time the leadership have to grasp the nettle. The fact that Derry is being funded is purely to please the shinners and the fact that BFS has to get funding to keep a US service running should show you how unattractive we are as a proposition. We have a limited appeal that should be coordinated properly into a one airport strategy. Nothing else makes sense.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 14:04
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I agree there should only be one airport.

Close BFS and BHD forthwith and transfer all the flights to LDY which after all suffers from the highest unemployment and greatest deprivation. Then there will be an incentive to fix the roads when the Belfast civil servants have to drive on them to get to our new Northern Ireland International Airport.

It's a superb idea, thanks!
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 14:33
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Originally Posted by Amelia Earhart
I agree there should only be one airport.

Close BFS and BHD forthwith and transfer all the flights to LDY which after all suffers from the highest unemployment and greatest deprivation. Then there will be an incentive to fix the roads when the Belfast civil servants have to drive on them to get to our new Northern Ireland International Airport.

It's a superb idea, thanks!
Country's wealth concentrated around Capital city shocker....

Lets move a big American airport to Iowa because they are poor?

Infrastructure does need fixed here but not artificially like that where you would move the wealth centre and make another area poor.

Our wee country is only ~100miles across. If we created public transport and improved roads etc. you could be anywhere within an hour and a half. Then if all NI air traffic was moved to BFS with a branch off the M2 or improved road from M1 you could be there right and quick and the fact that we are not fighting each other for airlines could allow us to get a foothold in stemming the flow to DUB (who must be laughing all the way to the bank)

I take your comments as tongue in cheek as you really know LDY is a good place for a nature reserve.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 14:40
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It's the same distance from Belfast to Derry as it is from Derry to Belfast.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 15:17
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not artificially like that where you would move the wealth centre and make another area poor.
Yeah. That's NEVER happened in NI before. Ever. Discriminating against one area at the artificial benefit of another. UoU anyone?

Amelia. It's fine to travel from the northwest to Antrim or Belfast for a flight. It's not that far! However, going west up the Glenshane to the northwest is such a chore. No respectable person from east of the Bann should be expected to do that.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 18:35
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Originally Posted by Amelia Earhart
It's the same distance from Belfast to Derry as it is from Derry to Belfast.
It is also the same distance from Nottingham to London as London to Nottingham but the main airport is located closer to the main population hub.

And Cuthere, they move stuff all the time to get better deals and will go on being part of our NI future as it is now because we don't have the population to sustain remote cities as Derry currently is. Infrastructure is the way forward. Build a good road to drive to BFS and everyone will be grand. If we had gotten our act together years ago, it would likely have made keeping things in Derry easier as location would have been less of an issue.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 19:46
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If NI went to 1 single airport we all know that city and Londonderry would be the ones to go but my question is will this ever happen?
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 19:47
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Second dog. Derry'S "remote"? It'll be needing an airport then.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 20:09
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Originally Posted by rowly6339
If NI went to 1 single airport we all know that city and Londonderry would be the ones to go but my question is will this ever happen?
BFS and BHD are both private and viable so it will never go to one.

Will it go to two? Feasible but unlikely. LDY enjoys poltical support and does so in part because it is an economic lever within the control of Derry City council (now Derry and Strabane council) when all other economic levers affecting the city have been controlled and abused by Belfast (the universities, Invest NI, lack of decentralisation). It therefore has a much greater significance than just an airport and to be fair the road to the two Belfast airports is substandard (again because of abuse of power) and so there is little incentive to get rid of LDY.

But LDY may not always require subverting and at that stage it's future would be secure.

There is no reason for only 1 airport in NI. Airports like Heathrow and Gatwick benefit from scale because of transit passengers. No one is going to be flying to a single NI airport to avail of a transit so there's really no rationale for it. A single NI airport would be smaller than either Edinburgh or Glasgow.

It will never happen.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 21:01
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Originally Posted by cuthere
Second dog. Derry'S "remote"? It'll be needing an airport then.
No it will be needing a better road to make it less remote, so that people realise it doesn't need a loss making airport
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 21:14
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Originally Posted by Amelia Earhart
BFS and BHD are both private and viable so it will never go to one
BHD is never far from the bubble. All it will take is a local authority takeover to be required and the one airport scenario becomes much more tangible.

Never say never.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 21:37
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Think that's the best post Cuthere has ever posted, who in their right mind would want to go to Derry.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 21:49
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Derry of course needs an airport for economic development. It would be economic suicide to close it.
Thinking in NI terms is absolutely ludicrous. There is no border anymore in practical terms.
Dublin is Belfast airports biggest competitor not Derry and as someone who lives in Belfast, the 3 airports I use frequently are Dublin and both Belfast airports. If I could hop on the train that took me directly to Derry airport, I would use that too.
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Old 22nd Sep 2016, 22:37
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Good heavens someone really doesn't like the city, huh DC9-10
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