DERRY/LONDONDERRY
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Cuthere, you're obviously annoyed by the truth of the matter. You also referred again to my home in liverpool. Again, no relevance. Why are you obsessed where I live. You're an idiot.
Your alter ego resides in Liverpool too. Nice city. If anyone wants to know what you're all about, all they have to do is have a quick glance through your 58 posts in your current form. If ANYONE believes you're on this thread commenting in a balanced way having done that, I will tip my hat to you and them.
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Agreed Buzz. With LPL being cut to twice a week, any BE to MAN could pick up that slack easily. There could eventually be demand for a 2x daily MAN.
BHX was one of the routes that did not make the cut for the Regional Connectivity Fund, but now with the route development money in place, BE could take it on too. A route with proven demand, though too thin for a 189 seat 737-800.
BHX was one of the routes that did not make the cut for the Regional Connectivity Fund, but now with the route development money in place, BE could take it on too. A route with proven demand, though too thin for a 189 seat 737-800.
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Even with new carriers or even new routes (Manchester) passenger figures at CODA are bound to take a hammering. Ryanair mightn't have been the right fit but they did fly big aircraft and they did like them full. Is a new carrier going to offer 120K seats to London. Or 60K to Glasgow. When Loginair flew the route it carried 1/5th that. It looks like it could be some time before CODA gets back to 439,000 pax p.a.
Economist Paul Gosling on Radio Foyle said the writing has been on the wall for the past 3 years, not because of passenger numbers at Derry on a route that has been run successfully for nearly 2 decades, but because Ryanair have changed their focus from regional airports to the main airports.
Economist Paul Gosling on Radio Foyle said the writing has been on the wall for the past 3 years, not because of passenger numbers at Derry on a route that has been run successfully for nearly 2 decades, but because Ryanair have changed their focus from regional airports to the main airports.
Amelia, I understand what you're saying, but if we use FR's scheduling on the STN route as an example, and then speculate that 3x daily route from BE is on the cards, then the seats on off on that particular route INCREASE! If we throw into the mix additional routes, then it's not all doom and gloom......IF the investment bears fruit.
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Getting slots at Heathrow or Gatwick for a new Derry service would be quite a challenge I imagine so that leaves Stansted or Luton or ....... London City.
Gatwick or Heathrow would obviously be the holy grail.
Gatwick or Heathrow would obviously be the holy grail.
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I recall a year ago that Flybe were trying to get permission for a Derry flight to RAF Northolt which is about 6 miles north of Heathrow. Permission was refused but it shows that Flybe might be interested in operating out of Derry. And that was when Ryanair were still operating the Stansted route.
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As I've said before, the RYR exit could be a new opportunity for CODA and the NW.
If you can get FlyBe onto a MAN route it would mean suddenly CODA is a one-stop hop to places like Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore as well as the European network and all the other codeshares that they do out of MAN. Now that would be a real boost for the local economy as none of that is currently possible.
Maybe CODA up to the present has been too focused on cheap as chips point to point - and it patently hasn't worked.
Opportunity rather than threat.
If you can get FlyBe onto a MAN route it would mean suddenly CODA is a one-stop hop to places like Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore as well as the European network and all the other codeshares that they do out of MAN. Now that would be a real boost for the local economy as none of that is currently possible.
Maybe CODA up to the present has been too focused on cheap as chips point to point - and it patently hasn't worked.
Opportunity rather than threat.
All names taken. I couldn't agree more. The monopoly and associated being held to ransom from FR is nearing a welcome end.
This is another interesting development: UK Government ?announces Derry Airport support? | UTV - ITV News
This is another interesting development: UK Government ?announces Derry Airport support? | UTV - ITV News
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I think the challenge for CoDA is similar to those for all smaller airports, in cases where large low cost carriers are expanding from larger airports in close proximity to them...a smaller regional operator like Flybe or EIR that would provide a better frequency on a daily service from Derry to a London airport will have a different pricing structure than Ryanair or Easyjet...and thus unless the service is subsidized to keep it competitive the consumer will decide based on price and convenience...
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Ryanair were expanding at the airport until 2008 but after the credit crunch and associated air recession they have continually retrenched.
The failure to open a base at Derry has been pivotal in the demise of the Ryanair operation. It lead to unsuitable schedules such as Stansted which necessitated being in the airport just after 5am which meant not only an even earlier start but all sorts of transport logistical problems so inevitably meant a stay at an expensive airport hotel.
Relying on spare aircraft from other destinations, such as Glasgow and Liverpool, also meant that flight times could differ from one day to the next due to the availability of aircraft and again weren't necessarily the best times to maximise demand.
The Alicante route had its season chopped and changed and eventually meant they didn't even operate in the peak months of August.
Then you gather your statistics and decide which routes are most profitable with no allowance for the mess that scheduling may have made.
Had Derry had its own aircraft it could have been a different story.
Blaming APD and then expanding at another airport with the same APD makes absolutely no sense.
The failure to open a base at Derry has been pivotal in the demise of the Ryanair operation. It lead to unsuitable schedules such as Stansted which necessitated being in the airport just after 5am which meant not only an even earlier start but all sorts of transport logistical problems so inevitably meant a stay at an expensive airport hotel.
Relying on spare aircraft from other destinations, such as Glasgow and Liverpool, also meant that flight times could differ from one day to the next due to the availability of aircraft and again weren't necessarily the best times to maximise demand.
The Alicante route had its season chopped and changed and eventually meant they didn't even operate in the peak months of August.
Then you gather your statistics and decide which routes are most profitable with no allowance for the mess that scheduling may have made.
Had Derry had its own aircraft it could have been a different story.
Blaming APD and then expanding at another airport with the same APD makes absolutely no sense.
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There are 15 other airports in the UK serving over 100K but less than 1M pax p.a.
There are also several others in the South of Ireland.
These airports must have similar viability problems as Derry. How are they funded?. How much are their losses.
Plymouth airport closed in 2011. Blackpool was busier than Derry with even 12 international routes but closed in 2014 (since reopened but with just 30K pax in 2015).
Extinction is a real possibility.
There are also several others in the South of Ireland.
These airports must have similar viability problems as Derry. How are they funded?. How much are their losses.
Plymouth airport closed in 2011. Blackpool was busier than Derry with even 12 international routes but closed in 2014 (since reopened but with just 30K pax in 2015).
Extinction is a real possibility.