What's happening with BMIbaby?
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Bmi Baby-a Mess!!!
I was told at check in at Alicante last night that my flight to MME had been cancelled with no reason given!!.I was told another flight would operate today but I could have my money back!!!.I
went to EZY and the only late flight was to Luton so I booked it and arrived at Luton at 01.30am to find all the hire desks shut!.I got the train to King cross and have just arrived home.I am appalled by the "Dont care"attitude at Alicante-God only knows what the other Pax have done,I know 60 of the early check-ins were put on the Manchester flight.
Does anyone know what the problem was?
went to EZY and the only late flight was to Luton so I booked it and arrived at Luton at 01.30am to find all the hire desks shut!.I got the train to King cross and have just arrived home.I am appalled by the "Dont care"attitude at Alicante-God only knows what the other Pax have done,I know 60 of the early check-ins were put on the Manchester flight.
Does anyone know what the problem was?
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Things haven't been that great at Teesside operationally these last couple of weeks and this is another example. We have the low loads on Belfast, we have Spanair's opening weekend wrecked by massive delays and now a scheduled lo-co service cancelled without reason.
Sure these things happen, but Teesside is only small so you notice these things more.
Would love to know the reason for this delay. Whatever you find out, you should certainly be writing to the airline IMO for some answers.
Sure these things happen, but Teesside is only small so you notice these things more.
Would love to know the reason for this delay. Whatever you find out, you should certainly be writing to the airline IMO for some answers.
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BMI- things are getting bigger
Just been talking to a mate who works at BMI head office and it looks like things are going to get very big on the long haul side. From what she has told me the routes for winter this year from Manchester (Bgi, St lucia, etc) are selling really well. They are also looking at India. With this surge in business they are looking at purchasing more A330's, which were on order before 9/11. Looks like to me they are moving in the right direction...
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I don't think that you will see the purchase of more Airbus A330s, simply converting options into firm orders, because if I'm not mistaken, did bmi not order 4 A330s, then have options on recieving an additional 4? Either way, the arrival of four additional A330s to the fleet would be an excellent expansion for the airline I'm sure.
Will these be Manchester based, and if so, will there be an expansion on shorthaul routes to create some sort of "hub-and-spoke" system in line with the new longhaul routes?
Will these be Manchester based, and if so, will there be an expansion on shorthaul routes to create some sort of "hub-and-spoke" system in line with the new longhaul routes?
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Hi
Well i work at EMA for EZY, on the bank holiday Monday 3rd May we have an Alicante flight that runs parallel with /BMI baby and they also cancelled this flight on that day.
Our pax were telling us on the flight that were some very irate pax at ALC, they had arrived 2 hours before the flight was due to depart to be told it was cancelled, if this happened to me, i would be livid.
Since that monday, bmibaby have cancelled around 2 or 3 flights a day, or they joined up services, like the other day, there glasgow and there edinburgh flight was joined as one flight, are they desperate and just doing like a bus service like EMA-GLA-EDI-EMA, sounds to me they are struggling......
Mike
Well i work at EMA for EZY, on the bank holiday Monday 3rd May we have an Alicante flight that runs parallel with /BMI baby and they also cancelled this flight on that day.
Our pax were telling us on the flight that were some very irate pax at ALC, they had arrived 2 hours before the flight was due to depart to be told it was cancelled, if this happened to me, i would be livid.
Since that monday, bmibaby have cancelled around 2 or 3 flights a day, or they joined up services, like the other day, there glasgow and there edinburgh flight was joined as one flight, are they desperate and just doing like a bus service like EMA-GLA-EDI-EMA, sounds to me they are struggling......
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Bmi Baby are not struggling in the sense that you imply Mike. They certainly do not have the financial problems that Easyjet have.
The problem that they have is no different to the problems that any airline experience when they go through expansion. Bmi Baby are suffering from a shortage of crews and that is it.
As for the bus service.... I thought the Airline business was just that.
The problem that they have is no different to the problems that any airline experience when they go through expansion. Bmi Baby are suffering from a shortage of crews and that is it.
As for the bus service.... I thought the Airline business was just that.
You may want to come to your employer's defense Hudson Bay , but let me tell you that if you start cancelling too many flights because you're "short of crews" it ain't going to impress the punters! They're likely to take their business elsewhere. So, as a neutral in this debate I would conclude that it is fair to state that Bmi Baby are struggling.
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HB The financial problems that EZY have are a predicted profit for the financial year of £98M as oppose to £112M predicted earlier in the year. A profit warning yes but by no means anywhere near a loss.
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Some analysts think the shake-up which is being predicted in the low cost industry will be good for the established players such as easyJet and Ryanair.
For example here is an extract from an article in the Telegraph.
......... we believe that while there will clearly be a shake-out in the sector over the next two years - with several of the start-ups going to the wall - the survivors will be the biggest and most established players with well-defined business models.
Easyjet will undoubtedly have to survive on leaner profits, but its comfortable margins mean it can afford to take the pain and put the squeeze on smaller rivals. Merrill Lynch analyst Anthony Bor argues that the leading no-frills players in Europe, such as Ryanair and Easyjet, could ultimately emerge as cash-generative investment opportunities with annual earnings growth of 12 per cent. Bor has maintained his neutral rating on Easyjet's shares partly because of fears of further volatility in the share price (230p).
For example here is an extract from an article in the Telegraph.
......... we believe that while there will clearly be a shake-out in the sector over the next two years - with several of the start-ups going to the wall - the survivors will be the biggest and most established players with well-defined business models.
Easyjet will undoubtedly have to survive on leaner profits, but its comfortable margins mean it can afford to take the pain and put the squeeze on smaller rivals. Merrill Lynch analyst Anthony Bor argues that the leading no-frills players in Europe, such as Ryanair and Easyjet, could ultimately emerge as cash-generative investment opportunities with annual earnings growth of 12 per cent. Bor has maintained his neutral rating on Easyjet's shares partly because of fears of further volatility in the share price (230p).
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Hi
Firstly i would not like to see any airline go to the wall, But i do have a right to speak my mind, the passengers on board my flights tell me, they are pee'd of with having flights cancelled, or i have been told that on one domestic to GLA that the load was 12 and returning back to EMA the load was 9 so they decided at last minute to do a GLA and EDI then back to EMA, yes this makes sense to save on costs etc.... but the passengers do not like it.
Why cancel a Alicante on a bank holiday monday, one of the busiest days of the year, when either people are returning home from hols to go back to work on a tues or people just going on there hols, there was a report about this in the local paper, that passengers turned up at ALC for the flight home to be told it was cancelled and come back tmrw ??????
This is very bad PR, if this was you as a PAX would you rebook with them ?
It isn't just EMA that has trouble, what about MAN, teeside etc and also cardiff ? all had the same in the last few weeks
Remember a couple of months ago in the press of the bmibaby flight from ema to gla to ema, it ended up doing ema- gla-edi-jer-cwl-ema.
Mike
Firstly i would not like to see any airline go to the wall, But i do have a right to speak my mind, the passengers on board my flights tell me, they are pee'd of with having flights cancelled, or i have been told that on one domestic to GLA that the load was 12 and returning back to EMA the load was 9 so they decided at last minute to do a GLA and EDI then back to EMA, yes this makes sense to save on costs etc.... but the passengers do not like it.
Why cancel a Alicante on a bank holiday monday, one of the busiest days of the year, when either people are returning home from hols to go back to work on a tues or people just going on there hols, there was a report about this in the local paper, that passengers turned up at ALC for the flight home to be told it was cancelled and come back tmrw ??????
This is very bad PR, if this was you as a PAX would you rebook with them ?
It isn't just EMA that has trouble, what about MAN, teeside etc and also cardiff ? all had the same in the last few weeks
Remember a couple of months ago in the press of the bmibaby flight from ema to gla to ema, it ended up doing ema- gla-edi-jer-cwl-ema.
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Not commenting on this particular incident as I have no facts, however on Bank Holidays many flights are cancelled always have been always will be.
Not so many people fly on bank holidays.
Not so many people fly on bank holidays.
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Unfortunately, your aircraft developed a tech fault (bleed air on no.2 - pressurisation snag) which rendered it u/s. The BFS service was also cancelled ex Teesside earlier. The hope was to position another aircraft ex MAN to MME but this crew went out of hours.
Unfortunately, your aircraft developed a tech fault (bleed air on no.2 - pressurisation snag) which rendered it u/s. The BFS service was also cancelled ex Teesside earlier. The hope was to position another aircraft ex MAN to MME but this crew went out of hours.
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Mike 16..
From one who is party to many of the decisions made for bmibaby......you really are not qualified to pass judgement on why flights are cancelled/combined....
My contract of employment forbids me from further discussion, but, again, I can tell you, you are so wrong !!
From one who is party to many of the decisions made for bmibaby......you really are not qualified to pass judgement on why flights are cancelled/combined....
My contract of employment forbids me from further discussion, but, again, I can tell you, you are so wrong !!
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Hi little blue
Well yes you are right, i am not the right person to assume, all i am doing is listening to passengers who have flown them and also read the local press about people who have been stranded away from home. That is all i have done, i have not started malicouus rumours etc.... just fact
As for Easyjet being in trouble, well yes they had bad news this week in regards to profit etc, instaed of having so much at the end of the year they wont have that figure but will still make lots and lots.
With all the new routes up and coming, new bases in Berlin, Dortmund, and poss new places in Sweden, norway and finland by the end of the year the future is orange....
Well yes you are right, i am not the right person to assume, all i am doing is listening to passengers who have flown them and also read the local press about people who have been stranded away from home. That is all i have done, i have not started malicouus rumours etc.... just fact
As for Easyjet being in trouble, well yes they had bad news this week in regards to profit etc, instaed of having so much at the end of the year they wont have that figure but will still make lots and lots.
With all the new routes up and coming, new bases in Berlin, Dortmund, and poss new places in Sweden, norway and finland by the end of the year the future is orange....
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Lets be absolutely clear here on easyJets financial 'bad news'.
The figures announced were a profit, before tax, of £72.3m on a 12 month rolling basis. This compares to £22.5m the year before.
This against a backdrop of :-
Half-year revenues of £440m up 18%
Passenger numbers up 15.9% to 10.8m
High load factors improved further by 1.1 % pts
Yields improved by 1.6%
Clearly Hudson Bay is going to be disapointed in his wet dream of easyJet going bust. I think most people understand that there is going to be a battle in the low cost skies of Europe over the next 2 years.
Ryanair and easyJet will emerge. The rest - well if they aren't making money now then I hope they have deep deep pockets. As some do.
Ben.
The figures announced were a profit, before tax, of £72.3m on a 12 month rolling basis. This compares to £22.5m the year before.
This against a backdrop of :-
Half-year revenues of £440m up 18%
Passenger numbers up 15.9% to 10.8m
High load factors improved further by 1.1 % pts
Yields improved by 1.6%
Clearly Hudson Bay is going to be disapointed in his wet dream of easyJet going bust. I think most people understand that there is going to be a battle in the low cost skies of Europe over the next 2 years.
Ryanair and easyJet will emerge. The rest - well if they aren't making money now then I hope they have deep deep pockets. As some do.
Ben.