Fly Jet Green closed
Actually, to make things even more interesting, the Jetgreen B757 that MaxAob saw at AGP was in fact flying a DUB-AGP-DUB rotation for Skynet (at least it was using their c/s, SIH).
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Skynet problems just to a time-zone/payment mis-understanding?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0521/air.html
A little more info on the business pages
http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/0521/skynet.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0521/air.html
A little more info on the business pages
http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/0521/skynet.html
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SNNEI, I have just read your posting of 18 May. The fact that JetGreen were a tour operator may well explain things. I do not know what the irish rules for licesing tour operators and I am a bit rusty of EU rules concerning consumer protection for tour pax. They are very tough in Britain and repatriation is always achieved when a licensed tour operator fails.
What I find to be very odd about it all is that the company failed at the beginning of the summer season . That is actually a very rare occurence because at that time of the year a tour company will have strong cash because of the payment of deposits. The autumn is normally the time that tour companies fail because that is when they have to pay their final bills for the summer to hotels.
So what was going on? Where did those deposits go?
What I find to be very odd about it all is that the company failed at the beginning of the summer season . That is actually a very rare occurence because at that time of the year a tour company will have strong cash because of the payment of deposits. The autumn is normally the time that tour companies fail because that is when they have to pay their final bills for the summer to hotels.
So what was going on? Where did those deposits go?
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colegate,
jetgreen had reportedly sold over 40,000 for this summer and beyond. They had the passenger numbers but as said in previous quotes, it was other circumstances that forced jetgreen into the junkyard
Pity about Skynet too
jetgreen had reportedly sold over 40,000 for this summer and beyond. They had the passenger numbers but as said in previous quotes, it was other circumstances that forced jetgreen into the junkyard
Pity about Skynet too
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Evening,
The skynet problem is fixed. Normal ops resume tommorow. Big sigh of relief for all at SNN.
None the less, I stand by my remarks in my last post, and sincerely hope that more profitable times lie ahead.
The skynet problem is fixed. Normal ops resume tommorow. Big sigh of relief for all at SNN.
None the less, I stand by my remarks in my last post, and sincerely hope that more profitable times lie ahead.
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Colegate.
Where did the deposits go is a very important question. Something is not right about what happened at JG and the interesting thing is, other than ourselves on proon, nobody out there seems to care!!
Where did the deposits go is a very important question. Something is not right about what happened at JG and the interesting thing is, other than ourselves on proon, nobody out there seems to care!!
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Am I alone in thinking that this may be a bit fishy? If there were so many tickets sold then where is the money to refund to pax?
Could it be that it is already on the Costa del Sol, in 200Euro notes in the briefcases of some senior management?
Pure speculation, of course!
(oopos, just seen colegates posts! It's not just me)
Could it be that it is already on the Costa del Sol, in 200Euro notes in the briefcases of some senior management?
Pure speculation, of course!
(oopos, just seen colegates posts! It's not just me)
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I would have thought that if the idea was to do a runner with the money, then they wouldnt have bothered to operate any flights!!
Big ideas, little experience and bad planning.
Mutt.
Big ideas, little experience and bad planning.
Mutt.
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My understanding of Jet Green is limited but I feel it relevant to post what I do know....
The same managment structure of Fresh Aer minus a few and adding a few more was the board for JG... ie: ex cityjet boys who were around for the near death of CityJet before AF bought them out...
Jet Green were being "sneaky"... Fly Jet the LGW based airline was/is looking at operations in and out of DUB and on the Fly Jet back the advertisment "FlyJetGreen" was born raising some concerns from FlyJet... (not a big deal but worth a mention)
A good friend of mine dispatched the first JG flight from DUB and told me that for that flight there was both TF crew and JG crew... To show them the ropes.. but arguments pursued as to who was going to operate the flight... This being an example of dis organisation..
JG did not apply for their slots... ATC recieved Flight Plans and a few hours later there was a request coming in from the 757 on the tarmac requesting clearance... (were they for real?)
One interesting incident was that the flight was down one passenger and was boarding remote.... The handling agent went back to the gate to try and locate the missing PAX and when he got turned around the JG A/C was taxying out to 28... Dispatcher minus his signed loadsheet... the A/C holding a bag with no owner on board.. and the Handling Agent with a bewildered passenger... The 757 was requested to reutnr to stand by the handling agent and the passenger was placed on board and Loadsheet aquired... (Airline or Bus service)??
I have rambled a bit and am a bit hung over but the point I am trying to make is that they were a hairy operation from the start and were destined not to last..
Oh and the EX cityjet managment poahced WX crew from full time jobs promising them the world and then they go under... Bummer
The same managment structure of Fresh Aer minus a few and adding a few more was the board for JG... ie: ex cityjet boys who were around for the near death of CityJet before AF bought them out...
Jet Green were being "sneaky"... Fly Jet the LGW based airline was/is looking at operations in and out of DUB and on the Fly Jet back the advertisment "FlyJetGreen" was born raising some concerns from FlyJet... (not a big deal but worth a mention)
A good friend of mine dispatched the first JG flight from DUB and told me that for that flight there was both TF crew and JG crew... To show them the ropes.. but arguments pursued as to who was going to operate the flight... This being an example of dis organisation..
JG did not apply for their slots... ATC recieved Flight Plans and a few hours later there was a request coming in from the 757 on the tarmac requesting clearance... (were they for real?)
One interesting incident was that the flight was down one passenger and was boarding remote.... The handling agent went back to the gate to try and locate the missing PAX and when he got turned around the JG A/C was taxying out to 28... Dispatcher minus his signed loadsheet... the A/C holding a bag with no owner on board.. and the Handling Agent with a bewildered passenger... The 757 was requested to reutnr to stand by the handling agent and the passenger was placed on board and Loadsheet aquired... (Airline or Bus service)??
I have rambled a bit and am a bit hung over but the point I am trying to make is that they were a hairy operation from the start and were destined not to last..
Oh and the EX cityjet managment poahced WX crew from full time jobs promising them the world and then they go under... Bummer
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DUBXH,
After reading your post, I feel it is worth congratulating Aer Rianta for calling this nonsense, and bringing it to the attention of the Aviation regulator. They did Irish aviation a service by stopping these guys in their tracks.
Little consolation to the poor staff I know, but they are professionals and will surely understand why such nonsense had to be brought to an end.
After reading your post, I feel it is worth congratulating Aer Rianta for calling this nonsense, and bringing it to the attention of the Aviation regulator. They did Irish aviation a service by stopping these guys in their tracks.
Little consolation to the poor staff I know, but they are professionals and will surely understand why such nonsense had to be brought to an end.
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DUBXH,
Interesting post, but there's a few bits and pieces of the jigsaw you are either unaware of, or are deliberately ignoring.
In particular, are you aware the FlyJet appears to have applied for, and received slots for Dublin-Alicante and Dublin -Malaga co-inciding exactly with trhe published timetable for FlyJet Green. I can't imagine they did this on their own as it is such a diversification from their core business as to make no sense.
I think it is slightly more likely that the relationship between Fly Jet and Fly Jet GREEN was initially a lot closer than people later pretended.
At some stage, I suspect that FJG were unable to make the required financial commitment to FJ to make them pitch up in Dublin, so FJG turned to Icelandair to get up and running. However Icelandair had no slots in either Alicante or Malaga, so were doomed from the beginning.
I think this will run and run for a little while longer.
Interesting post, but there's a few bits and pieces of the jigsaw you are either unaware of, or are deliberately ignoring.
In particular, are you aware the FlyJet appears to have applied for, and received slots for Dublin-Alicante and Dublin -Malaga co-inciding exactly with trhe published timetable for FlyJet Green. I can't imagine they did this on their own as it is such a diversification from their core business as to make no sense.
I think it is slightly more likely that the relationship between Fly Jet and Fly Jet GREEN was initially a lot closer than people later pretended.
At some stage, I suspect that FJG were unable to make the required financial commitment to FJ to make them pitch up in Dublin, so FJG turned to Icelandair to get up and running. However Icelandair had no slots in either Alicante or Malaga, so were doomed from the beginning.
I think this will run and run for a little while longer.
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Being perfectly honest with you I was under the impression that Fly Jet were applying for slots and consulting Engineering/Ground Handling in Dublin in order of expansion to their schedule... I was not aware of any affilliation between FJ and FJG mainly because It was offical that Icelandair would be operating on behalf of FJG before FJ applied for slots from/to DUB...
Maybe I am wrong and you are right and it isnt something I ever actually thought about and thinking about it now it does sound a bit suss.... Hrmm
I stand corrected
SNNEI
As for Aer Rianta, I am not an anti Aer Rianta person nor am I pro and I would question an awful lot of their ethics but I do have to agree with you that they saw a paracite leeching off an already unsteady business and took the nessecary action... It's not often I compliment them but I will this time...
Being perfectly honest with you I was under the impression that Fly Jet were applying for slots and consulting Engineering/Ground Handling in Dublin in order of expansion to their schedule... I was not aware of any affilliation between FJ and FJG mainly because It was offical that Icelandair would be operating on behalf of FJG before FJ applied for slots from/to DUB...
Maybe I am wrong and you are right and it isnt something I ever actually thought about and thinking about it now it does sound a bit suss.... Hrmm
I stand corrected
SNNEI
As for Aer Rianta, I am not an anti Aer Rianta person nor am I pro and I would question an awful lot of their ethics but I do have to agree with you that they saw a paracite leeching off an already unsteady business and took the nessecary action... It's not often I compliment them but I will this time...
