NOW Aircraft...anyone know where they are?
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FLYMATE yes, you are correct, it was March this year, my mistake (just seems like last year). However, by the time NOW actually get off the ground (if), I dare say a full year would have passed if not more. My original question still stands though. How do other start ups around Europe do it quicker than NOW? Big mistakes being made already by the looks of it (by that I mean approaching a leasing company who is current with NOW's main competitor)....
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Tend to agree with jmc-man that funding is the main problem that Now have, both short & longer term. Route economics are still being looked at by the CAA and if the full requisite funding was in place this would have been agreed weeks ago. Also, it would seem that at least one of the aircraft Now were sourcing (O C ) is available for their useage. Question is WILL, or CAN they do anything about it. Time is a luxury that seems to be on an ever decreasing and expensive curve for Now.
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Just to correct you a little, any holder of an AOC with aircraft above 19 seats needs to have 3 months cash ready when they first start (ie no income for 3 months). Does not matter if they sell to the public or not. If someone else sells their seats then that company needs an ATOL.
Just to correct you a little, any holder of an AOC with aircraft above 19 seats needs to have 3 months cash ready when they first start (ie no income for 3 months). Does not matter if they sell to the public or not. If someone else sells their seats then that company needs an ATOL.
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Waggon rut,
You are quite correct, my post wasn't clear. For NOW, as opposed to the other charter start-ups they have BOTH requirements ( Start up capital AND an ATOL).
I'm really not sure why NOW did not look at the option of operating on someone else's AOC to start with. It would significantly reduce the initial funding requirement, got the name in front of the Public, and given them some income. It would also have been a lower risk method of determining the validity of the business model.
Iceland Express is a good example at the moment. They have succeeded in securing a sizeable chunk of their market, have increased the overall traffic on the routes they cover, and will be adding a second aircraft in April ( According to industry newspapers).
I understand NOW have been ringing around trying to place their pilots elsewhere.
You are quite correct, my post wasn't clear. For NOW, as opposed to the other charter start-ups they have BOTH requirements ( Start up capital AND an ATOL).
I'm really not sure why NOW did not look at the option of operating on someone else's AOC to start with. It would significantly reduce the initial funding requirement, got the name in front of the Public, and given them some income. It would also have been a lower risk method of determining the validity of the business model.
Iceland Express is a good example at the moment. They have succeeded in securing a sizeable chunk of their market, have increased the overall traffic on the routes they cover, and will be adding a second aircraft in April ( According to industry newspapers).
I understand NOW have been ringing around trying to place their pilots elsewhere.
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So, I hear that the meeting at NOW on Friday in Luton was not that hopeful.
Especially as they laid off staff..... with no warning.
So, FLYMATE and BACRDI WALLA.... is the situation still looking good?
Why lay off staff members who haven't drawn ANY wages yet? Possibly because in January they were about to?
And because NOW has no cash I suggest.
Be warned, this shower of sh?t is not going to get flying and even if it does, it will be bust soon afterwards.
I would suggest you leave before the "management" embarrass you even more than they have already,by you defending them so vigourously.
JMC MAN. You have been right all along.
Especially as they laid off staff..... with no warning.
So, FLYMATE and BACRDI WALLA.... is the situation still looking good?
Why lay off staff members who haven't drawn ANY wages yet? Possibly because in January they were about to?
And because NOW has no cash I suggest.
Be warned, this shower of sh?t is not going to get flying and even if it does, it will be bust soon afterwards.
I would suggest you leave before the "management" embarrass you even more than they have already,by you defending them so vigourously.
JMC MAN. You have been right all along.
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Tailscrape,
I understand your message, but I might have worded it differently.
I also have heard the message on Friday was very depressing, with some talk of a "last Minute" american investor coming to the table.
Irrespective of the outcome, the Flight Ops Team can be proud of an incredible achievement of getting through the AOC process successfully without money, resources or even an aircraft
I just hope, if the project is terminated, too many people's lives won't have been destroyed along the way......my concern about this project from day one.
I understand your message, but I might have worded it differently.
I also have heard the message on Friday was very depressing, with some talk of a "last Minute" american investor coming to the table.
Irrespective of the outcome, the Flight Ops Team can be proud of an incredible achievement of getting through the AOC process successfully without money, resources or even an aircraft
I just hope, if the project is terminated, too many people's lives won't have been destroyed along the way......my concern about this project from day one.
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It is a great shame when an airline doesnt get off the ground but NOW have treated their employees like crap, as i posted some time ago they have no backing anymore and I got shot down immediately.............they told their new cabin crew after they had finished their course, after they had re-located and spent a huge amount of money investing in these tossers, that the company will not happen if they do not find a new investor.
The employees have been messed around from start to finish, I hear they have one more day to advise the employees if the company will happen or not.
Dont hold your breath everyone!
What a saga and yes what a shame that good people who wanted to believe in a new company have been used and abused in a such a way......
The employees have been messed around from start to finish, I hear they have one more day to advise the employees if the company will happen or not.
Dont hold your breath everyone!
What a saga and yes what a shame that good people who wanted to believe in a new company have been used and abused in a such a way......
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I can confirm that G-IGOC did infact ferry Luton to Bournemouth yesterday as "easyJet oscar charlie" and it also undertook a brief training sortie before heading to the coast using the same callsign.
It flew under the regn c/s, not EZY, as it ain't ours anymore. The crew were EZY though.
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tailscrape I have nothing to do with NOW and like most people on here now, am seriously thinking that this bunch of amateurs won't get off the ground. By amateurs I mean the man at the top who, if you cast your mind back to the very first thread about this company, got a slating for being the wrong person for the job. Seems he has proved them all right. Being at the top means he has failed all those he promised.
As for laying off people who have yet to draw wages, that part is not true. They have drawn wages and are being laid off. If I were involved with this company, I think I'd be getting out under my own steam rather than wait to be pushed.
Wednesday 17th December is crunch day apparently but why wait to tell all the staff and would-be staff that this project ain't going anywhere. Reason? It's what the so-called top man does well. Lie and make people think he's doing them a favour by trying.
Oh and Ten Minutes Having inside information from FLS gives you the advantage doesn't it ???
As for laying off people who have yet to draw wages, that part is not true. They have drawn wages and are being laid off. If I were involved with this company, I think I'd be getting out under my own steam rather than wait to be pushed.
Wednesday 17th December is crunch day apparently but why wait to tell all the staff and would-be staff that this project ain't going anywhere. Reason? It's what the so-called top man does well. Lie and make people think he's doing them a favour by trying.
Oh and Ten Minutes Having inside information from FLS gives you the advantage doesn't it ???
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Just another small point to make clear, one of the great things about an airline is thay do not need an atol if they sell the seats direct. There is no protection at all for the customer apart from credit card (Not switch or Delta). It is the tour operator has to cop the insurance. So with the likes of BA now selling to the direct public they can take money upto nearly one year ahead as use it as they see fit.
I know have have gone off the point a bit, but most people have no idea this can happen.
Now where are the aircraft?
Just another small point to make clear, one of the great things about an airline is thay do not need an atol if they sell the seats direct. There is no protection at all for the customer apart from credit card (Not switch or Delta). It is the tour operator has to cop the insurance. So with the likes of BA now selling to the direct public they can take money upto nearly one year ahead as use it as they see fit.
I know have have gone off the point a bit, but most people have no idea this can happen.
Now where are the aircraft?
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All this talk of layoffs and the company folding, I haven't heard anything like that yet. Shall we wait for an official announcement one way or another rather than worry all the employees with speculation...
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Over and oot
I have heard that people have been layed off last week as there specialist services are no longer required.
And that was straight from the horses mouth.
Bad luck to those people involved I hope that something arises soon.
Time for a career change yet?
Maximillian Von Metternich
And that was straight from the horses mouth.
Bad luck to those people involved I hope that something arises soon.
Time for a career change yet?
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FLYMATE ,
I thought that you had finally removed your "rose-coloured glasses" but clearly you have not removed the cotton wool from (between?) your ears!!!
Good Luck to all those affected who now have to re-build their shattered dreams, careers and lives!
I thought that you had finally removed your "rose-coloured glasses" but clearly you have not removed the cotton wool from (between?) your ears!!!
Good Luck to all those affected who now have to re-build their shattered dreams, careers and lives!
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Come on FLYMATE wake up, it ain't happening. Lets face it, a launch in March this year and still absolutely no further down the road apart from having done a proving flight, which means nothing actually. What are you going to do, wait for the postman on Wednesday to tell you it's game over? Oh yeh, NOW don't do letters do they 
It's very sad though as I think maybe, just maybe, they could have succeeded. However, wrong team at the very top.
It's very sad though as I think maybe, just maybe, they could have succeeded. However, wrong team at the very top.
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little friend
Maybe I am a tosser as your eloquent quote says. However I am not as big a tosser as this shower.
jmc man
Yeah, maybe you would have said it differently. However I will speak the truth. this lot have messed people around and will NEVER get flying.
bacardi walla
Apologies if I tarred you with a sh?tty NOW brush. However, the guy I know in question who got laid off by the training manager had actually deferred wages and stayed at home in exchange for some "lord lucan" shares in this shambles. To show faith like that and then be laid off is quite frankly unspeakably awful. And just before xmas too....
So, in essence we may as well stop talking about this lot, because they are NOT an airline and NEVER will be. They should be on fantasy bullsh?t ideas.org, not PPRUNE.
Yours,
Walter Mitty.
Maybe I am a tosser as your eloquent quote says. However I am not as big a tosser as this shower.
jmc man
Yeah, maybe you would have said it differently. However I will speak the truth. this lot have messed people around and will NEVER get flying.
bacardi walla
Apologies if I tarred you with a sh?tty NOW brush. However, the guy I know in question who got laid off by the training manager had actually deferred wages and stayed at home in exchange for some "lord lucan" shares in this shambles. To show faith like that and then be laid off is quite frankly unspeakably awful. And just before xmas too....
So, in essence we may as well stop talking about this lot, because they are NOT an airline and NEVER will be. They should be on fantasy bullsh?t ideas.org, not PPRUNE.
Yours,
Walter Mitty.
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Well I do wish you'd stop talking about it 'tailcrap' because you come across as one of the most obnoxious and inexperienced contributors to any forum in this site and that includes all your past comments about other airlines you've tried to get a job with and somehow or other deemed that they were beneath you - whether NOW flies or not, I'm just glad that I won't have to sit next to you