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Career Ending Dilemma

 
Old 26th Mar 2006, 13:13
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Career Ending Dilemma

Hey,

I've been sitting up for the past few hours contemplating what I just witnessed and my future actions.

I feel compelled to write this after what I have just witnessed this evening. A pilot who is due to sit a multi-engine commercial licence was seen by me taking drugs at a social event I was at.

One one hand I feel that the whole situation undermines the integrity and professionalism that I and my fellow colleagues, have undertaken and now what drives me to write this.

On the other if the CAA find out then he will have a lengthy ban, putting a almost defitinte dent in his proposed career as a pilot.

As you can imagine I am concerned that if my name was used it would maybe have repercussions in the future in terms of my employability despite my honesty and doing what I feel is right despite the possible fallout.

I would also add that I don't particuarly like this individual, but likewise I don't know anyone else who has embarked upon a flying career and has such a healthy distain for the (without trying to sound romantic or overly moral) code we all signed up to one day one of training.

I would appreciate any advice on my next course of action based on the facts I outlined above.
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 13:18
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What drugs were they?
I personally would mind my own business, I would not want to be the one who cast the stone to ruin someones life.
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 13:40
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'Ruin someone's life' - what about those aft of the flight deck door?

Split - If what you say is true then there is no place for the individual on any flighdeck given his current propensity to drug use. Of course, unless you have any evidence of this occurrance, or any others, then it is your word against his. If you were working for an airline (reputable) then there would be a clear line of reporting ie to fleet manager or chief pilot. How you would go about taking it to the CAA, I don't know.
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 13:43
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He was smoking pot definetly, as for Coccaine I'm unsure but I know it was available.

Granted about the minding ones own business but where do you draw the line, would you be happy flying with a captain you know is under the influence of something stronger than coffee? Or is it OK at this stage in my training because is unlikely I'll be in a multi-crew role with him? Additionally what about the guilt if he causes an accident an I could have averted it?
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 13:52
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Would you want to be sitting next to someone at 30,000 feet who was not fit to fly? Whilst he/she may be able to hold it together under normal circumstances, what if something goes wrong? When faced with an emergency or potentially dangerous situation, everybody needs to be on top of their game.

Remember, the safety of passengers and crew must come first. The rules are clear on drugs & medication for aircrew.

Also, imagine the outcome if it subsequently came to light that you knew of this drug taking and opted not to say anything. It could also ruin your career.

Drugs and aircrew DON'T go together.
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 13:53
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I seen a lot of eye opening things working in the industry, a lot from the flight crew, a little pot certainly wasn`t uncommon at parties.
I was always taught that you must know your place and mind your own business.
Its your call, why dont you discuss it with him?
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 13:57
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Originally Posted by hixton
I seen a lot of eye opening things working in the industry, a lot from the flight crew, a little pot certainly wasn`t uncommon at parties.
I was always taught that you must know your place and mind your own business.
Its your call, why dont you discuss it with him?
Would you be willing to be on an aircraft (either as Passenger or Crew) when someone at the sharp end is under the influence of Drugs?

Even if you would, I quite imagine the other 200 passengers and crew wouldn't
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:08
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i would speak to him first, mud sticks in cases like these wether guilty or not, you might have seen a one off or been mistaken in what you have seen in some way, condemning someone without hearing the other side of the story is a bit harsh, eg, if this person was blind drunk at this social event would you accuse him of being an alcoholic and say he should never fly?
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:12
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SPLIT-FFMTCC I think your only option here is to have a quiet word with the gentleman in question and tell him to get his act together or he will ruin his career. If this does not work you will have to report him.
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:24
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I can't talk to him about it, because we don't get on and it will escalete it (I can't go into too much detail but I can read situations well enough now that I can gauage how it will develop).

Secondly I know that saying hang him high is easy because thats the corporate/textbook mantra, but there is a whole load of other stuff I'd have to deal with.

Thirdly I don't want it known that I had something to do with his downfall if it went through. 50% not wanting to be labelled a grass and 50% avoiding confrontation and peoples behavioural changes in my presence (despite the fact that I don't know one person who likes this guy).
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:27
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A pilot who is due to sit a multi-engine commercial licence was
Due to sit what; written exams, skilltest?
In any case this person is not even close to a flight deck now.
Not that I condone the taking of illegal drugs in any way but it seems this person has time to clean up their act.
Isn't drug screening part of pre employment medical tests?
If this person passes all the hurdles the drug use would not seem serious enough to impair while on duty.
The occasional "recreational drug user" (if there is even such a thing)doesn't scare me, it is the habitual drinkers that I don't like.
Alcohol is even accepted as a drug of choice and drunk pilots have made it in the news quite a few times in recent years.
If this person is a friend, talk to him/her, if not let it be.
It would be a completely different situation if you saw this in a hotel room during a lay over with 8hrs to go to the next flight.
Lets not get into a knee jerk reaction here.
I would not report them to the CAA or anybody else.
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:31
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In answer to Jabi's questions:

Skillstest
He's a prick, I've never liked him
he has already recieved a ban for no drug related activity
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:31
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In any case this person is not even close to a flight deck now.
Even if it is only in a Seneca (or similar), it is still a flight deck and a potentially dangerous situation.
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:33
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Originally Posted by SPLIT-FFMTCC
Thirdly I don't want it known that I had something to do with his downfall if it went through. 50% not wanting to be labelled a grass and 50% avoiding confrontation and peoples behavioural changes in my presence (despite the fact that I don't know one person who likes this guy).
well if you havn't got the minerals to get this guy's side of the story face to face, you probably should stay out of it!, also "despite the fact that i don't know one person who likes this guy" may be weighting your opinion. like jabi said there is more problems with alcohol.
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:38
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Seems like you just want top grass him up as you have something against him.
Hate him or not it would be a low blow.
If someone messed my life up like that then I would spend the rest of my life getting back at him.
Best to just let bygones be bygones.
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:41
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If someone messed my life up like that
The person concerned has already done that by mixing drugs with a career in aviation.
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:47
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oh asuweb, you know that for sure do you?, you know this person?, you seen him at this social event?, just looking at the first post it comes across as he want's to get this guy in trouble without getting his own name into it, look at the subsequent posts: "the guy is a prick", "nobody likes him", yet he hasn't got the balls to find out the other side of the story before reporting him. In my eyes that is lower than a snakes belly!
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:52
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He's a prick, I've never liked him
I don't see how this is relevant at all. Either you have a moral problem with drug use or you don't. Are you sugesting it would be fine to sit back and let your pilot friends take drugs?

he has already recieved a ban for no drug related activity
What on earth do you mean 'no drug related activity' mean? A ban from doing what?
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[QUOTE]well if you havn't got the minerals to get this guy's side of the story face to face, you probably should stay out of it!, also "despite the fact that i don't know one person who likes this guy" may be weighting your opinion. like jabi said there is more problems with alcohol.
Today 15:31
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Couldn't agree more!
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Old 26th Mar 2006, 14:58
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I understand your point asuweb, but don't try to be more holy than the pope,
this is real life we are talking here, people make mistakes.
The person in question is at the doorstep of a career in aviation, he hasn't passed his skilltest even.
How many illegal drug related accidents have occured over the last ten years?
I know that a toxicology report is after the fact, accident has already occured but still.
I have no idea where to find that info but I would assume the only thing you would find is over the counter medication like anti histamines( or similar)
that may have influenced the course of events.
In my opinion a habitual drug user does not have the stamina or character to make it all the way to a flight deck, in all honesty he could still be years away from a position of resposibility like that.
If his friends decide to get into a Seneca with him , so be it, they know him.
If they are aware of his drug habit, their choice.
Think of the people that you fly with, you don't know what problems they are hiding nor how they are dealing with it.
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