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bafanguy 27th Aug 2016 13:31

South African Airways in Trouble ?
 
This sounds dire. Accurate ?:


"Africa’s second largest airline and one of its most historic is in danger of liquidation…"


https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/sout...airways-brink/

amfar 27th Aug 2016 13:46

SAA is badly run, overstaffed and a liability to all us poor bastards as taxpayers - plain and simply put. In fairness to SAA's competitors it should be liquidated or sold. If it is sold, the question then is who would buy a company that is so overstaffed (with many of them obviously incompetent with the job in hand) and would the unions/government allow retrenchments? That leaves us with "dump it".

ExDubai 27th Aug 2016 17:17

I would remove the question mark. Yes they are in trouble, as long as the politicians use SAA as a "self service shop", nothing will change.

bafanguy 27th Aug 2016 21:06

Well, I sure hope this doesn't turn out as predicted.

GordonR_Cape 28th Aug 2016 08:52

You could write a whole book about the mis-management of SAA, which has been ongoing for years. The need for repeated bailouts by the taxpayer have not helped stabilise the situation, and political interference in the running of the state-owned entity has made things worse. For the latest saga see: Zuma/Gordhan rift over SAA is false - Presidency | Fin24

Some critical aspects have now come to a head, and while the risks of liquidation are real, such an outcome would be unrealistic, since the airline is too-big-to-fail. Expect some sort of compromise, which will postpone the immediate crisis, but with no long term solution in sight.

BTW, the photo at the top of the article inadvertently highlights one of the most obvious problems faced by SAA, its ownership of A340 four-engine jets, which are no longer fuel efficient, and have plummeted in resale value.

ExDubai 28th Aug 2016 20:58

I thought Dudu is the most obvious problem ;)

Sure, quads are a problem. But with todays fuelprize SAA should be able to use them and gain some profit.

bafanguy 28th Aug 2016 21:29

How many pilots are at risk here ?

CSman 29th Aug 2016 09:04

IF this is true it would make me very sad The SAA engineers were the best at any down route station Terry Morgan BA 747[ long since retired]

The Ancient Geek 29th Aug 2016 12:30

Privatisation is the only sane solution.
Declare insolvency to allow IAG or similar to step in without all of the dead wood and politically appointed incompetants.
The A340s are not the problem, just a smokescreen to cover up the overstaffing and the enormous wage bill.

Just let Willie Walsh sort it out in the same way that he sorted Iberia.
Sort out the abysmal cabin service and the passengers should come back.

4runner 29th Aug 2016 21:35


Originally Posted by CSman (Post 9489302)
IF this is true it would make me very sad The SAA engineers were the best at any down route station Terry Morgan BA 747[ long since retired]

A BIGGGGGG roger on that Skipper! SA engineers are nothing short of spectacular. They're pretty good around a bbq(brai) too. Don't fret too much about the boys though. Their virtues are well known globally and they're aggressively head hunted by operators who pay much better than SAA.

GordonR_Cape 30th Aug 2016 07:24

The stakes are getting higher: SAA looking for R16 billion to keep flying

Privatisation would be the rational solution, but this is Africa....

TopBunk 30th Aug 2016 07:46

Why on earth would IAG/Willie Walsh want to invest in SAA?

As has been said, they are a basket case and BA/IAG can clean up on the JNB and CPT routes with little competition from SAA and use franchisee Comair to transfer pax to / from LHR / local cities.

What else have SAA got to offer over the above?

Not a lot, I would suggest.

Even if they did invest they would have to contend with SA politics and politicians with their way of doing business.

If I were Willie, I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole!

The Ancient Geek 30th Aug 2016 13:30

The whole point of privatisation is to get rid of the politicians and their expensive unproductive dead wood.
Run as a proper fully independant business with good professional management it could be a good profitatable airline. There would naturally be howls of protest from the unions but the choice is simple - privatisation with job cuts or insolvency with no jobs.

TwinJock 1st Sep 2016 12:05

SAA is in very deep Dudu.......:rolleyes:

GordonR_Cape 1st Sep 2016 14:01

The bailouts will continue: Myeni set to win SAA battle and remain board chair - report | Fin24 and SAA gets breather on Hong Kong deregistration | Fin24

Juliet Sierra Papa 2nd Sep 2016 09:33


SAA is in very deep Dudu.......
TwinJock :D:D:D

ian16th 2nd Sep 2016 10:22

BREAKING: Dudu Myeni survives another day at SAA | Fin24

Cardinal Puff 24th Sep 2016 05:35

The game of musical troughs continues. Still a few comrades who need to be rotated through a couple of directorial and managerial positions to get a good suck at the trough, so the edifice will continue being propped up by public money until all have had their turn at the gravy or it goes tits up regardless.

The sense of entitlement to public funds for personal ends by the regime is absolutely mind boggling.

ExDubai 25th Sep 2016 15:41

My deep and sincere apologies to Dudu Myeni. Now we know what's the proplem. The gredy pilots...... Pampered SAA pilots? bizarre perks and wages cost R2bn | The Citizen

VHFRT 27th Sep 2016 15:43

"Glorified drivers"... wow, I thought the Australian media was bad! As someone from outside ZA, I'm assuming this particular "news" agency is simply pushing an agenda? (I note several "white" comments)


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