Nigerian Professional Pilots
 

The Nigerian Professional pilots org. Is having a meeting at Jedair former wings aviation at MMA Ikeja lagos. On thursday the 28th by 11am. Locals you all invited..

pilotd , right.

What about expats then? Are we welcome or not?

lol....................

hilarious
 

:D

oh dear... at least some pilot got invited to something. At arik air they hold company parties and functions without inviting the pilot group at all at all.:ugh:

i no get chairmans cake.

Nigerian Professional Pilotd
 

Is teleconferencing allowed?
What of pilots who want to be there but can't be in person?
Is there a way we can still be involved via Skype or gotomeeting?

Point of Order.
 

Agenda please.....!!!

Are these Irish Nigerians?

I'm in wonder as to what will be discussed?

Sounds a bit like a workshop for those seeking sponsorship. I always a enjoy free alchohol and a toast to my health wealth and happiness. Maybe I'll swing by for the freebies?

In all seriousness i hope something comes out of your meeting. In effort for anything to ever move forward it must be a collective effort to better our profession. Nigerians/NonNigerians experienced/inexperienced we live in a globalised society and must embrace that as we move forward.

Any affiliation with NAAPE?

Good luck, gentlemen
 

I'm not a pilot, so I'll proceed with care.
First, thanks to Capt Meggison for doing what the veterans who went ahead of him, should have done.
Second, I'm suspicious of so called "expatriate" pilots and any inputs they may offer. I think, ultimately, it's either they keep dominating the bizjet sector and cornering others, or you throw them out; and their opinion about that one is easy to comprehend.
Finally, do please avoid ego, treachery and greed. If you supress self and promote the common good, God will see you through

Nigerian Professional Pilotd
 

@ flareoutBC. THUMBS UP

Flarout BC,

I decided not to go in case I got thrown out.

I am a so called 'expatriate pilot'. Been here for 4 years.

Expats are here to stay for a while as they have been for many years so perhaps locals and expats could work together for a common aim?

Bizarre concept I know.

1. This post disturbs me
2. Most corporate jets in Nigeria being flown by "expatriates" are being flown for nigerian owners, lessors. Under foreign registry's or by foreign owned entities like Vistajet etc. i imagine. Perhaps there is more i don't know.
3. Why do you trouble yourself coming to a public forum which is meant for pilot's and rumors pertaining to the prof. and then you state not to listen to certain individuals? Do you not sound a bit Xenophobic?
4. Obviously you have not looked at the books of Arik, Dana, Overland, Medview formerly AERO which Dutch owned at one point.. and various others who large proportions of Foreign pilots.


2. Disturbs me even further that you looking for help thought that this was a great post.:=

I am not a pilot,so i'll proceed with care...........great!

Us versus them
 

Guys please do NOT let this message thread turn into a slanging match between Nigerians and our foreign visitors working here.
There is enough room in the industry for us all!
The Nigerian Professional Pilots Forum seeks only to make it easier for new, low-time pilots fresh out of training find work.
Indeed pretty much all of them will at some point benefit from the experience of their foreign colleagues sitting in the left seat and this will be of great help as they develop professionally.
Guys, please remember, our expatriate colleagues are our guests and it is our responsibility to show them the hospitality that we would extend to friends and family so that when they eventually leave our shores they take away positive impressions with them!!

@ ediks
 

@ ediks the mediator .......Well said
I have nothing against expats as we can use from their wealth of experience and knowledge. Infact i welcome them to the shores of mama Africa . I must say Nigeria can learn from China who hire all their first officers immediately after CPL training, they sign a bond with the airlines who pay for their training overseas.The rules are very stringent though as the airline owns the pilot till he can pay back the cost of his training.My point is even if China hire expats they make sure most of their first/second officers are Chinese who will be groomed to become future Captains. i schooled with most of them so i know this.I am only saying that the NCAA can do more to curb the rate of unemployed Nigerian pilots.

@ BLUE JUICE Finally,help will come when the Almighty God crowns my hardwork and opens a door no man can close as man proposes and God opposes.When opportunity meets hardwork, preparation and chance then my lucky star will shine as i have gotten this far not by man but by the Divine.

Do please avoid ego, treachery and greed(this is the main problem with Nigeria and im sure if you are Nigerian you will know). If you supress self and promote the common good, God will see you through.......i think FLAREOUTBC ended the post on a good note and i still stand by my opinion :ok:

@ 250hrs and counting
 

--- Amen---

Okay, so I overdid it
 

Fact is, I'm exasperated by the expat phenom, and the monster we have let it become in this country.
That's why it's easy to overlook the positive contributions expats, given proper management of pilot/tech employment policies by the NCAA, could make in certain flight decks.
exeng, I've been in a position where I was blanked although I deserved better, so I should have been sensitive in my post. Forgive me.
ediks, thanks for reducing temperatures. Only wished you'd admit some of those "guests" in our shores ain't goin' nowhere. And by definition, some of them will bequeath nothing. Which is where BLUEJuice's second point comes in. And that one beats me flat.

@flareout BC
 

So what are you exasperated about ???

Is it the process of international integration arising from the interchange of world views, products, ideas, and other aspects of culture???

I am not sure, if you understand our modern world my friend !
You will find the so called "expat phenom" every where on our planet, it is called globalization !!!!

Nigeria is an emerging market with a number of companies with foreign interests either entering in to joint ventures with Nigerian companies or as wholly owned foreign companies. Often times, there is need for the engagement of specialized expatriate personnel to undertake assignments in various fields especially in technical services.

That's part of the game in a globalized economy, it does not only apply for Nigeria, it applies for every country in the world................:ugh:

Stallfail, we have a crisis
 

But this may not be the forum to discuss it.
I don't argue with emerging markets and globalization and all that.
I only maintain that, like the new ppruner 250hours observed, the right seats of commercial aircraft should be reserved for locals, especially where untold numbers of suitable candidates are unemployed or underemployed, which, except the newspapers are wrong, is the case in this country.
That's what they do in India and China, who are BRICS nations. Why don't Chinese or Indian nationals remember globalization and integration where their (suitable) brethren wish to indulge a hard earned passion, or maybe earn a living? Because they are building their nations.
Whether you like it or not, to recruit expats to fly right seat 40 yrs after your nation established a world class flying school, is to fail woefully.
"The mass export of Chinese workers to man Chinese companies in Africa is not helping African countries" (Africans should do the work)
Speaker: A Chinese academic
Venue: Panel discussion at Davos 2013
Panelists: Global movers and shakers in the world of finance and investments. IOW, people who should know.

Err, should we discuss the Lebanese bucaneer, an Abacha crony, who, in a handful of years, imported 15,000 Lebanese to do jobs Nigerians should do (Sahara Reporters)?
Perhaps not. It's just that the stupefying number of construction contracts his family's companies enjoy are not suited to the Nigerian brand of management/engineering skills. What of their unbelievably daft billion dollar oil and gas concessions, hotels, real estate, import companies etc? Nada, Nigerians are not good enough either. You gotta remember globalization and integration....

@ Stallfail
 

Foreigners should not do jobs Nigerians can do. What's hard in that?

Lebanese family
 

I wont name them, I leave that to flareout BC. But any business they win on fair grounds is alright by me. Since this forum is meant for aviation, here is their fleet.
(1) Falcon 7X (first machine off the production line; often in Lagos)
(2) Falcon 900EX. Rotates to Beirut, otherwise based in Paris.
(3) Another Falcon, exact model unknown to me
(4) Mid 1990s, a Falcon 200, whose engines gave them much trouble.
Source: Pro Pilot

flareout BC, no crisis at all
 

If you read my text, you won't find any comment if globalization is good or bad !!
I agree in many points to your arguments, although it won't change a bit.
My point is, we are living in a globalized world, nobody asked me neither you, if we'r fine with it or not !!!

I can understand your frustration, but the situation won't change as long as companies can get more experienced guys from outside the country.

The same thing happens everywhere in the world and we should get used to it..

@dash200

Please read my post......

Globalization OK, jobless Nigerians, not
 

Flareout didn't quarrel with globalization.
Nigerians who can fly right seat aren't, but foreigners are.
They shouldn't, if Nigerians can. Which is the case.
Flareout probably means Nigerians can do those 15,000 Lebanese jobs.
I don't see what's frustrating about that

God bless, dash200...
 

...over and out

very last reply.........
 

How can I soar like an eagle, when I'm surrounded by pigeons ????:ouch:

Did you just wonder how you can ever soar like an eagle? Well, you ain't an eagle, the real eagles are super and Nigerians!

And you can't soar simply because you are wingless which aligns with 'stalling' and 'failing' (probably explains why you are aptly named stallfail:ugh:)

Do note that even the pigeons can fly, they just ain't allowed to lift off because there are so many wingless eagles lazying about working half as less as the pigeons and chopping per diems!

Lool...... oooh Ninja Ninja Ninja...was wondering when you would join in young man. ★★★

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