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Ftrcap 14th Apr 2012 18:18

Direct Entry Pilots for KQ
 
Anyone out there who is a direct entry applicant waiting to start the process or has already started the interviewing process?

mnask 18th Apr 2012 10:01

yeah, am waiting for the interview process to begin hopefully next month

550 7th May 2012 20:44

Yea have been called for the aptitude on May 23 does anyone have any information on what books need to be studied to make llife easier? :confused:

mnask 14th May 2012 10:08

hi,

just go through your form 3 and 4 stuff
Maths
• Sequences of numbers and patterns
• Closing and opening speeds (Relative Velocity)
• Fractions (largest to smallest and vice versa)
• Algebraic questions
• Quadratic questions
Physics
• Pulleys
• Balancing of weights ( see-saw)
• Mechanical reasoning (Google)
• Wheels and cogs (big wheels and small wheels, which turns faster and in which direction)
• Springs
• Electricity (voltage formula and other few stuff on electricity.)

Chemistry
• Chemical bonding
• Periodic table
• covalesence

See you there, what time have you been summoned?

chileno 777 14th May 2012 14:40

woowww...Algebraic and quadratic questions, chemistry, mechanical reasoning (among others)!! Common…Are you guys applying to a PhD. in Harvard, Cambridge or MIT? :eek:

Really feel sorry for the applicants that have to study all that in order to apply to a pilot job. By the other hand, the people who have made it… you have my sincere and uttered admiration for passing the selection process!!:D Nevertheless, kindly note that 99% of the subjects studied will not be of much use in your career as a commercial pilot.

Sincerely believe that an IFR exam, a SIM evaluation (not need to be in a FFS, a simple computer with the Flight Simulator software will work) and a shrink test and interview will better select a candidate to a pilot job. :ok:

NightWolf 14th May 2012 15:57

Is this to get a type rating on the space shuttle or the star-ship enterprise? :}

kibz2005 14th May 2012 16:02

i got the email as well. but i has been a LONG time since high school. do we really need to be up to date on all that stuff? considering we are all already certified AVGAS jockeys it hardly seems relevant.

just wondering where you got all your info on what is in the apptitude test?

EchoKilo 14th May 2012 19:47

Unfortunately, everyone who made it went through the same process. Its not as bad as you think but true, its all high school stuff and mostly non aviation related questions. The last section is all about interpreting the AH but if you've flown, its easy. All the best to everyone. Any questions/help, dont hesitate to inbox me.

kibz2005 15th May 2012 04:17

sigh, oh well...like I said, we are all already certified. If we don't get in, it's back to the wilson hustle! :ok:

550 15th May 2012 10:01

Thanks mnask
have been summoned on the 23 may 2012, dont have any form 3 or 4 books do u have any web sites or books in paticular i could get my hands on.:confused:
such a pain!!

550 15th May 2012 10:03

sorry did not read the question summoned at 7 45 am:zzz:

Ndege-5Y 15th May 2012 18:14

KQ Direct Entry
 
Any one who got his CPL MEIR from Wilson schools who has been shortlisted? Are the guys who trained in wilson being considered?

For Chem and Physic, approach a high school teachers. Books are readily available as second hard in street of Nairobi

kibz2005 15th May 2012 18:56

hey ndege-5y, yeah i do know a fair few hknw trained people who were shortlisted. they had all applied fairly early last year so they have done their fair share of waiting. when did you apply?

Ndege-5Y 21st May 2012 11:23

KQ Direct entry Stages
 
Hi all. I am yet to finish my all requirement for shortlist. But below information will be of help if you have been shortlisted. Its gathered from those who gone thro the whole process. But probably thy have changed this time but am not sure.

STAGE 1: APTITUDE.
What is this ‘aptitude’?


Aptitude refers to an individual’s ability to learn or perform certain skills.
Aptitude tests refer to standardized tests designed to measure an individual’s ability to develop certain skills. In this case piloting skills.
So for this stage make sure you up to scratch with:
Basic physics – pulleys,
Books to refer to:
  • The world of Physics by John Avison
  • Ordinary level Physics by AF Abbott
Ex.
Basic form 2 maths e.g. algebra,
Ex.
Basic chemistry: balance the equation. (Expect one question from this area).
Interpreting basic aircraft instruments in different attitudes. Ex.
http://rushandege.org/wp-content/upl...12/images1.jpg
What is the Aircraft doing?


STAGE 2: PSYCHOMETRIC.
Psychometric test is any standardized procedure for measuring sensitivity or memory or intelligence or aptitude or personality etc
Check Morrisby Profile on the web at Morrisby - Career and Educational Guidance from the Profiling Experts, they have practice questions and useful material for this stage.


STAGE 3: MEDICAL.
This is a normal class one medical examination done at the KQ medical centre. Make sure you don’t consume any alcohol at least 24hrs before due to a blood test and urine test.
On the other hand eat some nice food as a stool sample is required.



STAGE 4: PSYCHOMOTOR.
The psychomotor domain includes physical movement, coordination, and use of the motor-skill areas. Development of these skills requires practice and is measured in terms of speed, precision, distance, procedures, or techniques in execution.
The aptitude psychomotor test consists of several parts, most of which are timed individually, which is why you need to be prepared mentally to be able to jump right in.
It will test you on your reaction, memory, ability to think in 3D space, coordination etc.
There is useful info on PILAPT® Pilot Assessment and IPAS (Also for stage 1 & 2).


STAGE 5: FLIGHT.
This a flight test done on a twin engine aircraft.
On board will be an instructor on the right seat and a KQ examiner at the back monitoring the flight.
Basically it’s the Kenyan I.R test (Nairobi) either direct from Wilson to GG or TH. Expect an engine failure.
Be precise on how you fly the ILS.
Do barrel rolls on your way back to Wilson. You will definitely get the examiner’s attention. – Do Not Attempt!

STAGE 6: POSITIVE REFERENCING.
This is an oral interview.
On the panel sits two KQ captains and a HR representative.
This is a one on one interview with the panel.
This stage requires you to have knowledge on your com. Subjects. They is no guideline to what shall be asked as it depends on the panel.
Know your stuff well.
Presentation is key. Dress code is formal.
On this day you will also be required to carry some documents such as your cv. Check out our pilot CV page.
Finally,
This information was gathered from people who have gone through this process and doesn’t necessarily represent what will happen on the actual day.
This gouge aims to remove the fear of the un known and instil confidence in pilots as they attend the assessment process.


for more information check Kenya Airways - The Pride of Africa
Good luck to those attending the assessment and update us on the interview process so as to assist others in the future.

odericko2000 21st May 2012 12:08

The irony of it all is that the expats recruited or rather they want to recruit do not go through this type of nonsensical hustling called "recruitment".
Recruitment of pilots already flying should be tweaked for a better hiring process, otherwise good pilots keep falling off the so called interviewing process and the airline keeps knocking "there are no suitable pilots to pick from locally, we need to hire experienced expats" line, ironically when it comes to our foreign brothers and sisters, Voila, the company magically sees the light and doesn't put them through the same BS.
We love you KQ but things got to change with this regards, stop denying able locals jobs, they are the driving force of the kenyan economy

kotakota 21st May 2012 15:41

Actually , I think you might find that DEC are also expected to do this ' nonsense ' as you call it , which should keep most expats of any age or experience out . I hear that the interview is also conducted by 3 people including KQ Captains , so that should do the trick of keeping any interlopers out ? Job done ----again.
DEC may be needed , but never wanted .

ndugu747 22nd May 2012 12:45

aptitude test
 
550

hey, please kindly if you don't mind, post the questions that you will go through on the 23rd May, 2012 for the KQ aptitude exam.
It will help guys get ready for the next scheduled interview..

Thank you!:ok:

jetpet 22nd May 2012 16:29

Flight test
 
Well, as of last year, KQ began using the 737 simulator at pride centre to conduct the flight test stage of the interview process. Has left many with very interesting views about that....and yes you will also go through single engine on the sim...:{

kibz2005 22nd May 2012 16:31

for everybody taking the aptitude test tomorrow, all the best! :ok:

kibz2005 23rd May 2012 17:50

what a day?!

2 words people: TIME MANAGEMENT! this is absolutely key to passing those tests. just for clarity, it is actually 6 papers that you will be sitting for with a 10minute break inbetween. yes SIX separate test. that was a rather unpleasant surprise today, but for the most part the summary of the topics above was spot on. pulleys was another favourite topic.

words of wisdom:
- in the maths papers, time is absolutely critical. no calculators allowed and plenty of questions on algebra and also time, distance and speed (a whole section!)

- if you feel like you are spending too much time on one question, skip the question. if you guess and answer and get it wrong, they subtract a mark from your total for each wrong answer. this isnt true for all the papers though. only for maths and mechanical reasoning.

- they will not give you rough paper for the paper on general science. be prepared to do plenty of mental math.

otherwise, to everybody attempting tomorrow..all the best!

kotakota 31st May 2012 05:56

Anybody got any info on medical at kLM in Amsterdam ? Pls PM me if you have .

ctrviolation 12th Jun 2012 20:00

Hello.....
Anybody with news regarding the next interviews...?

Gibron 2nd Jul 2012 08:11

I heard that they have suspended the recruitment of expatriates. Can anyone shed some light on this?

kibz2005 6th Jul 2012 14:52

i know this might be a little bit late, but this should shed some light on the situation...

KQ faces pilots

it's sad that things are threatening to go that far though :-/

kotakota 7th Jul 2012 12:55

Good article , one wonders where it will all end .
All I know is that if BALPA behaved /demanded like this then BA would be nowhere today . BA pilots work hard , do 900 hours a year ( long haul anyway ) and get rewarded appropriately , both financially and lifestyle -wise , with excellent rostering and leave systems that they have huge personal input to and influence over .
There are many non Brit pilots ( must have EU passport ) .
KQ pay looks to be very good for Captains , but I have to doubt the articles assertion that KQ will have to look to some of the airlines mentioned . Not many will leave other well paid jobs especially ones with less volatility involved.
The scenario here is similar to Malaysian 20 years ago , plans to expand by nearly doubling the fleet , lack of enough locals with the experience required , so expats brought in on 3 year contracts , renewable if required , most expats gone after 6 years max , many well before that . Job done , locals filling virtually all flying positions . Why this example cannot be followed by KQ and KALPA is beyond me . EVERY expat will be on a work permit of 2 or 3 years only , and this can be controlled at all times . Nobody will be permanent , so what is the beef ?
What does the Government feel about all this ? Do they want KQ to succeed ?
Are unions all-powerful ?
I know that this is at least the 3rd time that the strike has been threatened in the last 6 years . Will Naikuni cave again ? Does he have any choice ?
Final question , how can any long haul operation work on a maximum of 12 hour duty time , or are there BIG ' overtime ' payments in the Collective Bargaining which are really at the root of all this ?

The Right Brother 16th Jul 2013 09:34

Hello All,

just wondering if there is any update/ more info on the Direct entry process?

I am hoping to apply in the near future and especially interested in the timeline from first interview to Orals , SIM training etc?

gear up job 17th Oct 2013 06:49

Kenya Airways Direct Entry Pilot Recruitment
 
Hi All,

I'm currently going through Kenya Airways direct entry pilot recruitment process. I have created this forum STRICTLY for the direct entry program "wannabe's" for us to share our experiences or ask any burning questions we may have regarding the program. There is another forum SPECIFICALLY for Kenya Airways AB Initio program. So please direct your response or question to the right forum.

So let's get the ball rolling......I recently applied the program via their website portal and about a week ago I received an email containing below message some other usual information about the program.

"Please be advised that we will be processing the next direct entry pilot shortlist in January 2014. We will however maintain your application in our recruitment database for processing in January 2014. We thank you for the interest shown in working for Kenya Airways, the Pride of Africa. Thank you”.

The above message and email was sent from “[email protected]” and not “[email protected]

Is this normal for Kenya airways to send work correspondence without using their platform? Did anyone else receive the “yahoo” email?

I hope the pilots who have gone through direct entry program will be able to share with us their insights, the do’s & don’t .

darwin wairegi 17th Oct 2013 09:17

hey,I cleared form four last year and managed to get grade A in maths and physics,a B+ in English and an overall mean grade A-. I am a pilot "wonnabe" have I qualified as an applicant?and if so,how can I apply for the 2014/2015 intake?

Optimum Flap 17th Oct 2013 12:20

Good One GUJ
 
:ok:

There is definitely a need for some reliable info on the Direct Entry Recruitment process.

Currently abroad so looking to finalise my application in Dec/Jan. Basically, as soon as I can get back, convert my licence, get the Gas turbines and Grade A performance.

GUJ - would definitely be suspicious of the yahoo email. Might be an insider looking to score some Christmas cash.
Just out of interest, have you already done the conversion to Kenyan CPL/IR. If yes, please let me know how long it took you and the co$t involved.

Solid Rust Twotter 17th Oct 2013 12:55

http://www.pprune.org/african-aviati...try-pilot.html

http://www.pprune.org/african-aviati...t-737-fos.html

http://www.pprune.org/african-aviati...pilots-kq.html

pilotkq777 17th Oct 2013 22:01

Kenya Airways Direct Entry Pilot Recruitment
 
Hey GUJ I am in the same boat as you. I'm in the USA flying corporate on a citation looking to fly with KQ in the future I did apply for the direct entry was accepted but was never short listed because I had not converted my FAA to KCAA. Make sure that you convert your license then update your profile otherwise u will not be short listed.

gear up job 17th Oct 2013 23:11

Pilot Breezy
 
Hi PB,

Thanks and you have raised very good questions. Hope someone will be able to shade some light.

Cheers.

gear up job 17th Oct 2013 23:44

Darwin Wairegi
 
Hi Darwin.

From your response i think you are after Kenya Airways AB initio program. See below link from PPRuNe and also from KQ on their requirements.

http://www.pprune.org/african-aviati...cruitment.html

http://irecruitment.kenya-airways.co...sHCNAIDiwsuKaA..

The link from PPRuNe has over 2,390 comments and questions. You may find it very useful.

This forum is for candidates who are about to or already possess CPL/IR/MEC/ATPL….etc and intend to apply for the direct entry program. See below link for direct entry program requirements

http://irecruitment.kenya-airways.co...Ou19S7RWrLkbfw..

All the best lad!

gear up job 17th Oct 2013 23:56

Optimum Flap
 
Thanks mate.

No I haven’t converted my license yet. I intend to do that in December when I travel back to Kenya.

However I am thinking of converting my license to South Africa's CAA first then to Kenyan because I hear the Kenyan one takes a while. Also another reason for me to converting to South Africa's CAA first is because I have C208 endorsement and I am hoping to get some employment/build more hrs either in Botswana, Namibia or Zimbabwe while am waiting for my Kenyan license.

Am still doing research on all that. I will let you know and all the best mate in your studies.

gear up job 18th Oct 2013 00:01

Solid Rust Twotter and pilotkq777
 
Hi SRT,

Thanks for the threads. Good info.

Hi 7's

Thanks lad. That's a massive tip.Will get on top of it ASAP.
All the best and happy flying mate.

mkenya 18th Oct 2013 04:35

Hey Gear up job, if you wan't to do your conversion fast your best bet would be converting to either Uganda or Tz license then to kenya... Tz is usually a bit easier and is what a lot of people nowadays choose to go through.

Optimum Flap 18th Oct 2013 05:00

TZ to Kenya Conversion
 
Hello Mkenya, am also in a similar position to GUJ and dreading the Kenyan conversion. Please expound on the Tanzanian - Kenya process.

Do you know any good training organisation in TZ that could assist in the conversion and how fast are we talking, cost involved?

Many Thanks.

mkenya 18th Oct 2013 08:39

For the conversion to Kenyan license from Tz, you have to sit an airlaw exams, all your ratings on your Tz/Ug license will be transferred to your kenyan license.

Converting to Tz license involves sitting for a composite/conversion paper, and writing a TTR for the aircraft you need to be endorsed on your license, and a flight check. All should take between two weeks and a month, or even less depending on luck and your input.

Hope that helps for now.

typhoon01uk 18th Oct 2013 14:36

Kenya Conversion
 
Hi to all. I'm a rookie at this forum thing so bear with me.

Having searched high and low for info on the conversion process in our lovely country, I couldn't get any definitive advice so I bit the bullet and came over to do it and find out for myself. So for all those in a similar position, here's the process:

1. You must go to KCAA headquarters first. They'll look through your logbook and advise how many hours you have to do. Don't waste time visiting the schools coz they'll just send you back. You can also take the opportunity to book your exams (cash only) and save yourself a return trip.

2. Your licence must be current which they class as 6 hours PIC in the last 6 months ( medical must be current as well although they'll still make you get a Kenyan initial).

3. Most schools use the Seneca as their training twin. If you have hours on type, things are a lot easier for you. If like me, you qualified on something else, you must get a Student Pilot Licence (medical needed first), which takes 4 days to issue. You must then pass what they call a Technical Type Rating written exam specific to the Seneca after which you need 5 hours on type minimum and pass a check ride (general handling, stalls,etc) to get the type endorsed on your licence. If you're after a Multi IR, you need to do an initial IR test which can be combined with the Multi check ride & save a few bob.

4. Pass a Composite CPL written exam (100 questions on all subjects). If you trained in the UK like me, you'll recognize the style of questions as they are based on the JAA/EASA question bank. It's an expensive paper (ksh 16000) & it's my understanding most people pass on the 4th or 5th attempt so prepare well. Get on one of the online question banks and pay for a couple of months & just drill the questions. The exam is sat once a month on the 3rd Thursday so plan for that. You can get a special sitting but add 50% to the price of the exam for that. Gas Turbines is on the 2nd Friday & Perf A on the last Friday.

Once you get through all that, back to KCAA, put all your paperwork in and wait for the licence. Try to come at the beginning of the month and if you have a clear plan, you should get it done in a month. The horror stories are a little outdated if you ask me but you really have to apply yourself or it'll take forever. The written exams are computerised and the results are instant.

Hope this helps. If anyone needs any more info, pm me & I'll be happy to help where I can. Happy flying....

PS: KQ recruitment site does say the next shortlist is in January so hurry...

gear up job 18th Oct 2013 21:58

mkenya & typhoon01uk
 
Thanks Mkenya. I think i will have to consider that option.

Many thanks typhoon01uk. That's a very meaningful insight and detailed explanations. Cheers for that. Why does KCAA likes to complicate things serious?

If my license was issued by ICAO council member state and it's well recognized and accepted by other ICAO member states which Kenya is one of them, why do i have to do all that plus Gas Turbines & Perf A ! I already have an ATPL for that. Most countries (Australia recently) are changing their Aviation regulations to harmonise themselves with ICAO standards. Where if you were issued a license by a member state, converting it will be like to like. I believe this process is called SIMPLIFICATION! I fear KCAA is going the opposite direction called COMPLICATION!

Now i understand the frustration of Kenyan pilots working overseas wanting to return home.

Do expatriate captains working for various Aviation companies in Kenya have to do all that? Very eager to know.


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