PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   African Aviation (https://www.pprune.org/african-aviation-37/)
-   -   Watch Out For African Atc's (https://www.pprune.org/african-aviation/406559-watch-out-african-atcs.html)

The Ancient Geek 16th Sep 2010 14:45


I guess in Africa its prudent to use all info sources to make the right descision. FMS, ATC, smoke on the ground if it's visual, other pilots reports and your general gut feel.

Lubumbashi like many other airports north of the Limpopo will always be a challenge.

Every airport should have a windsock or two.
The decline in standards is all part of the decolonisation process. Hastily trained locals, often with mediocre language skills, pushed into the job to replace the expats. Give them another 30 years or so and they will catch up, it just takes time and training.

<oldphart muttermode>
We never had these problems back when Andre was in his tower and the world was a better place.
</opmm>

Rico 25 16th Sep 2010 20:27

ATC in Africa
 
Like others on PPRuNe I was not too long ago working as a Bush Pilot in the Okovango Delta in Botswana. Many times the ATC is unconventional compared to Europe and you must keep your wits about you-this applies to even such simple information such as wind direction/speed etc. Out here in Africa you have to be absolutely in control of 'everything'-some pilots from Oz, Europe or USA will will shocked at first but seasoned pilots will understand what I mean!

One time whilst I was waiting to take off at Maun, Botswana I witnessed an American registered Gulstream IV on short finals asking for confirmation for Clearance to Land-needless to say the tension in the female co-pilot's voice was very 'stressed'-they were literally about 50 ft AGL on short finals at this stage!

Safe Flying and have Fun,

Rico 25

Siguarda al fine 18th Sep 2010 13:50

If one cannot take a joke one should not fly in the DRC EVER.
DRC is for Aviators not people with ATPL's gained in cosseted enviroments.
Long Live FBM ATC bods.

4runner 18th Sep 2010 21:04

Controllers suck in most of Africa period. Lack of training, rote memorization, inability to multitask, lack of accountability, etc. But let's stop making excuses for this crap. Let's have some ICAO audits of this garbage that passes for ATC here. I'm tired of the African blame game. If you guys want respect, you have to earn it. You have yet to do so at this point. Quit whining with this post-colonial BS and man up and take control of your future. This is just one example of the failure of this entire continent to take care of business...

Marty33 20th Sep 2010 01:47

ATC does not fly my aircraft, I do. I am responsible. In Africa, ATC is mostly a necessary evil, to be endured, never trusted. To get angry and upset in your scenario is , IMHO, ridiculous. You are not landing at LHR, or SFO. You are landing your aircraft in a third world country with third world facilities, skills, and mentalities. You must remember that, and you will not expect much more.

Slainte


All times are GMT. The time now is 00:15.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.