If pax talk about "hard landings" they most probably never experienced a hard landing, same with those "severe turbulences" they always have on their flights... sorry, but a hard landing is when the masks drop and severe turbulences are when the trolleys are crashing at the roof of the plane with severe injuries therefore.

Anyway i gave up arguing with pax, i'd rather talk to a traffic light.

Ethiopian Crash/stop Bad Conclusions
 

HI,AS A PILOT ANYONE EVEN MOST EXPERIENCED CAN DO A HARD LANDING.NOT INTENTIONAL,BUT DUE TO PREVAILING ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS DURING LANDING.
I KNOW ETH.. HAS A GOOD SAFETY RECORD IN AFRICA,A SH*** PAY PACKAGE.
THEY LOSS BAGGAGE ALOT,OR YOU GET IT WITH ITEMS STOLEN BY THERE HANDLING PERSONNEL.

FOR THE LEBANON CRASH LETS GIVE THE GUYS INVESTIGATING TIME TO REPORT ACTUAL CAUSE OF ACCIDENT.

TV NEWS SAYS PILOT DID NOT FOLLOW A.T.C INSTRUCTIONS,OTHER STATIONS SAY BAD WEATHER.THE PRESIDENT RUSHED TO RULE OUT TERRORIST ATTACK.

LETS HOPE WE GET THE TRUTH,AND HOPE ETHIOPIAN ... DOES NOT LEAVE AS IN THE DARK WITH NO ANSWER LIKE MOST AIRLINES DO(HIDDING INFO).LIKE THE DUALA 737 etc...

Hard Landings
 

Any of you who are on here and profess to be professional pilots, sitting around for hours discussing hard landings and determining whether an airline is good or not depending on landings, need to get out more.

Facts:

All transport category aircraft are certified to take a certain amount of G- loading on landing. Am sure what you describe as 'bad landings' fall comfortably within that G-load limit. Your backsides sitting in row 13 are not G- meters.:E

Varying conditions dictate landings, i.e length of available runway, condition of runway, braking, altitude (and Ethiopia and Kenya are pretty high altitude), the type of Landing Clearance (i.e arrange to vacate by first intersection, etc), wind direction and gusts, etc.

If a landing is hard enough to trigger the G-meter, then the aircraft generally has to undergo a check to determine the extent of damage. Again this is a pretty thorough check, not a standard walkaround. Expensive to any airline, and causing delays etc. This does not happen as often as you may think.

ET and KQ are quite professional and have been around longer than most of you here have been alive. Training is done to professional standards, and IOSA certified.

A more interesting topic to discuss would be the 737-800 among operators around the world, and why it so loved by operators, and generally disliked by pilots.

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South Africans come to assist
 

Yes let's hope that we do soon find out. We all need to learn from these things. Accidents are never good news but if we learn from them they are also not totally BAD.

It is good to know that, as in the Haiti Disaster, South Africans have once again been called to assist. Capt. Mick Mitchell, Retired Head of Operations for SAA and now heads up Global Aviation Consultants who, in turn, represent Blake Emergency Services in Africa is presently in Addis to set up the Crisis Management Centre there. Great stuff, Mick. :D