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AVSEC 16th Dec 2006 12:18

As far as i know,Lufthansa do not sell domestic tkts.
They pick up frankfurt bound pax from PHC and ABV on a business class style flight,and I know they have an Accra LOS frankfurt flight that only picks frankfurt bound pax.
AON has been pushing this for years,because they claim the picking up from multiple points and dropping off abroad eats into their business.
Pax have access to direct travel,but the airlines as far as I know do not transport pax within Nigeria from one domestic sector,to another.

Lets see how it goes then.

anjouan 17th Dec 2006 17:03

AVSEC,

Have you been away for a while? Port Harcourt International has been closed for several months now.

MostlyModerate 17th Dec 2006 17:26

A huge equipment
 
I recall the former minister promising that he would buy " a huge equipment" which would stop aeroplanes from crashing.

Maybe, with 19billion naira in his pocket, the new minister will make good that promise.

And think what he will have to spend when he has collected the tax on 60% of Lufthansa's international profits.

Then he can celebrate with a (confiscated) firework display.

It's 30 years since I first set foot on Nigerian soil.

Plus ca change...........

surely not 18th Dec 2006 07:48

Actually from what I am told by people who have been in Nigeria during the last 30 years, quite a lot has changed. Granted Politicians promising a lot and delivering little are still around, but then that is also the case in the UK so why pick on Nigeria?

Corruption in Nigeria is being tackled by the EFCC with varying degrees of success, but I think I read in the papers that the UK have suddenly dropped an enquiry into some BAe slush fund at what happens to be a very opportune time to keep an export order for Typhoons alive. Several UK politicians have been found to have fingers in murky waters in the last 30 years as well, so we are not that different. A chap called Mates springs to mind as an alleged brown envelope beneficiary.

One thing I cannot see being resolved in the near future is the chronic power supply. I am sure NEPA must be funded by the generator manufacturers :)

Let us also reflect that not a lot has changed despite the large numbers of expats in Nigeria over the last 30 years. I guess they have just worked within the system instead of working to change it, a form of job protection. If the system was fixed the ex pats would have to go home.

The efforts of the last couple of years in the aviation sector have been quite bold, and with a modicum of success in raising issues that need to be attended to. Now the challenge is to get the politicians to stump up the monies.

MostlyModerate 18th Dec 2006 16:03

Surely not

Please read my post again and those preceding it.

I said "30 years since I first set foot....." Not " last set foot ....."
During the last 30 years I have lived and worked for several years in Nigeria, visited regularly and still have at least monthly contact. I think I may claim sufficient first hand knowledge to make an observation.

And I certainly did not mention corruption ! The 19bn is the amount reportedly released by the government to the minister !
I will happily debate corruption with you, but this is not the place.

To insinuate that expats are in some way to blame for the chaos only underlines your lack of insight. They are there because their employers, both foreign and domestic cannot find suitably qualified,competent and experienced locals. No employer is going to incur the cost of an expat if a local can do the job. And to labour your point, any expat who tries to tell the government how to change things is promptly branded as having a " colonial mentality" and swiftly escorted to the airport.

NEPA is probably the longest running sore in the history of the country - and the greatest obstacle to future development. Until such time as NEPA is placed in the hands of professionals, and allocated a proper share of the oil wealth, the lights will continue to die.

surely not 18th Dec 2006 18:32

yup that's a valid call for lack of attention to detail Mostly :O :O I had indeed misread the first stepping part of your post.

Now it is my turn to claim a miscontrue of my post. I have re-read it a couple of times and I do not see where I said that the expats are/were to blame for the chaos. I believe that I suggested that considering their numbers, and the influential positions many have held, that the lack of progress in resolving much of the chaos suggests more of a compliance with the status quo than finding ways of encouraging reform.

Yes the Govt are indeed a little sensitive to open critisicm from ex pats, and the effectiveness of the muzzling is proved by the difficulty in getting reforms of business practice through.

I think it is more correct to say that there are a limited number of Nigerians living in Nigeria who have the world wide experience required to take over many of the ex pat positions. There are quite a few who are doing a very good job, but unfortunately many others have chosen to take their skills abroad, so the situation arises where the experienced Nigerians are working abroad leaving a gap in Nigeria which is filled by experienced ex-pats :ugh:

I guess the tone of my response to you was a tad testy for which I apologise.

AVSEC 19th Dec 2006 10:28

Ajouan,those were the operational flights executed by Lufthansa??????:bored:
A statement,as a preamble to the main stuffing of a comment,if you get my drift.Do you?????:}


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