Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > African Aviation
Reload this Page >

2017 for Kenya Airways

African Aviation Regional issues that affect the numerous pilots who work in this area of the world.

2017 for Kenya Airways

Old 12th Dec 2016, 22:49
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: $1 motel
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2017 for Kenya Airways

2017 could be the year Kenya Airways start showing some "pride of Africa" glory. However it all depends on who will be the new CEO, HR Director and Director of Flights operations and Director of corporate quality plus the other managerial positions to be filled in.

The HR Director and Director of Flights operations positions are vital as these will see the start of hiring pilots especially on the narrow bodies aircraft were they are currently having a huge shortage of pilots with more and more pilots leaving every month heading Middle East.

Also towards end of 2017 to mid 2018 or even earlier all the "wet leased" aircraft's could potentially be returning back to Kenya Airways Hangers due to the carrier starting to fly to North and South America. The Last FAA JKIA safety audit come out with nothing outstanding.

All in All the local pilots should have something to look forward to in 2017 with increased employment all round the region.
254HEAVY is offline  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 00:16
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Been around the block
Posts: 631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I hope so. A lot of potential if left alone. Even more important, it's an outstanding group of guys(and girls!) at KQ.
4runner is offline  
Old 17th Dec 2016, 10:54
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"Huge shortage of pilots" is a fallacy. The last time I checked there was no shortage of pilots at the carrier. In fact, they were a little in excess for the current fleet, route network and the improved productivity the carrier targeted. They would have right sized it anyway with the Operation pride. The pilots leaving just solves the right sizing issue. Unless of course more leave, which is highly unlikely because most of those that wanted to jump ship have already done so. But for any reason if they continue to do so then potentially there will be a shortage just like what happened to the technical department.

The Engineers were to be right-sized too until they started to bail! The numbers of those bailing grew fast that the acute shortage was created.
I wouldn't bank on any expansion or any new routes outside of Africa in 2017. The current plan is to focus on Africa, in short, make the airline a leaner regional airline with concentration within the African market.
I don't see the carrier opening routes to the Americas or to any other Out-Of-Africa destinations any time soon...but for improvement in the carrier's operations and financial standing? Maybe!
LADAN 2ALPHA is offline  
Old 19th Dec 2016, 23:31
  #4 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: $1 motel
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
For the narrow body A\c's yes there is shortage and YES more are leaving and some are just waiting for their joining dates for the M.E carriers before handing in their resignation letters.
254HEAVY is offline  
Old 20th Dec 2016, 13:36
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Mars
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yeah, I noted some activity on their recruitment portal in regards to hiring. So strike 1 for 254heavy. More info will be appreciated.
benalwa is offline  
Old 22nd Dec 2016, 05:50
  #6 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: $1 motel
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
More than happy to when I get something concrete worth sharing. I Hope others even those currently working for the carrier will be generous to share some information too.

benalwa.....Did you notice this at the bottom of the job ad ...."Potentially the next processing of the pilot applications will commence in June 2016" yet they job posting closes end Feb 2017. Talk about a bad copy paste job!

Btw I don't think ab Initio training will be coming back any time sooner!
254HEAVY is offline  
Old 22nd Dec 2016, 05:54
  #7 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: $1 motel
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
And those who had applied previous will need to reapply again unless told otherwise.
254HEAVY is offline  
Old 27th Dec 2016, 10:27
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Mars
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I gather they eventually took on some ab-initio guys who had there training suspended initially. But in regards to future ab-initio hiring, maybe 2019 thereabout. @254heavy, yeah i noted the bizarre dating, and also you will be lucky if you complete the application online. The site keeps on returning errors.
benalwa is offline  
Old 27th Dec 2016, 12:14
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
254 HEAVY, I also noticed that and l was like really. well l applied and did everything needed but l wish someone can let them know there is an typo error because this may confuse a lot of people..

For those experienced enough, let us know since the job posting is closing in feb 2017 will guys be called before Feb or after Feb, am abit curious...also how many more pilots do they need as it opened this month and will close in Feb then again open in June, is kq really short of pilots?
swiftfront is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2016, 11:02
  #10 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: $1 motel
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ab-initio guys are always guaranteed a spot unless the trainee messes up then their contract gets thrown away!

Call in's depends on how competitive the applicant is. TR, ATPL, Military...etc could be as early as the festive season ends hoping the HR department is all sorted.

FY don't forget it's Kenya Airways and it's Kenya! So patience is an Oscar!
254HEAVY is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2016, 11:06
  #11 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: $1 motel
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Mods could you please merge this thread with...."Direct Entry Pilots for KQ thread" given that now the topic has shifted into the upcoming recruitment.
254HEAVY is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2016, 13:34
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks 254 for the insight, now am somehow in the loop. whoever is in charge of merging the threads please do so. This will enable me to be in the loop of whats happening as l just sent my application for the position.

Also l have a question on hours? since minimum hours are 250 hours, how lucky could someone with 1000 be shortlisted. If its fair and just, I would think there is a margin because it might be weird to be in the same exam setting with someone with 1000 hours and you have 250 hours..... just a though! those who have some lil insight on this, kindly shed a light
swiftfront is offline  
Old 30th Dec 2016, 09:37
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Mars
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
@swift front. From history, the Direct entry battery of tests consists of aptitude, psychometric, Psycho-motor and Flight test( on the 737 simulator)

For flight test the DEC sim screen might comprise of a slightly more demanding detail especially if they have flown jets and especially so if 73NG.

For Direct entry FO with ATPL and 2500hrs they are exempt from the aptitude test. So experienced Direct entry FO with ATPL (minima being 2500hrs of experience no matter which aicraft type) will start with Psychometrics then Psychomotor and sim screen at the end. Eventually you will step in for the oral interview which is just a mere formality.
The medical is scheduled as late as possible to allow for the long lead before joining (if successful) so that it does not expire and has to be re-done(at kenya airways expense of course). I stand to be corrected though.

So i bet with 1000 hours you will still go through the process just like a guy with 250hrs. KQ has always tried to be fair to the applicants. Hope this helps.
benalwa is offline  
Old 30th Dec 2016, 11:48
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks benalwa! the clarity is crystal clear.

So is it true to say that, all the applicants that have applied and have met all the minimum requirements regardless of the number of applicants will be shortlisted. Then they will use the battery of tests to eliminate guys until the final stage.

Can l assume that and well if this is the case, what happens if majority of the applicants pass all the battery tests, which criteria will they use because am assuming if they need 50 pilots and 100 pass, what next..? just a thought process.

by the way guys do not hesitate to be part of this forum or feel uncompeled to contribute, its an open forum.
swiftfront is offline  
Old 30th Dec 2016, 14:26
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Mars
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
All applicants that have met DE requirements have always been called. Though sometimes its done in batches, qualifications a consideration.( like 254 heavy said).

In regards to excessive numbers, I reckon they would just raise the cutoff mark should such a scenario occur, especially in the final stages of the interview e.g simulator. But again its not that easy to pass all this tests.
benalwa is offline  
Old 30th Dec 2016, 16:21
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Nice to know this swift information. thanks benalwa! now l guess its the waiting game....
I really hope this time things will run smoothly..... like expediently! like if its calling they should just call even if its as early as January, we get tested and we move on. Those who go through..go through and those who don't! step aside and give room for others...

Is there a sceneo that has ever occurred where guys are called or emailed before the closing date? has this ever occured?

my understanding is if really there is a shortage like what everyone is speculating then this process shouldn't take like a year. am basin this on the guys who went through this process! they were getting done just the battery tests after like after a year. If this is the case what happens to the guys who are waiting to apply in June?

If truly its a new year,and kq is assuring alot of change this 2017 lets see at least some change. KQ is in the long run the pride of Africa....let them roar change in 2017
swiftfront is offline  
Old 31st Dec 2016, 07:23
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Mars
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The June processing is a typo on their site. If there is a shortage indeed then the process will be expedited. We pray they hire the right people for the remaining management slots.
benalwa is offline  
Old 1st Jan 2017, 06:41
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
O yes benalwa, that is indeed a huge factor. Kq needs to up the game a knotch or two because as our African carrier their reputation is at stake. Any ideas who will take up the management slots? The sooner they sort this out the sooner this process may begin.

my prayer is that KQ should step up significantly this year as in at the start of this tread, they promised jobs and other things so they should really keep their word because if not our regional and national carrier may be in trouble.

btw Happy new year, I would wish the rest of the people in the group but it looks like its just me and you here...

Anyway is there a chance guys have ever been called before the closing date? has this ever occurred?
swiftfront is offline  
Old 1st Jan 2017, 19:11
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Been around the block
Posts: 631
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sometimes the problem with national airlines is that they are jobs programs for regional issues while competing on a global stage. Not sure if KQ fits this "business model", but many an otherwise promising airline has succumbed to capitalism. It's happening to SAA as we speak.
4runner is offline  
Old 2nd Jan 2017, 09:23
  #20 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: $1 motel
Posts: 94
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From getting an interview call to congrats call then ground school,MCC, TR, Base & Line training.........etc you will be very very lucky if all this gets done in 1 year! then the endless SO training while being paid close to nothing!

Don't be too naive to forget the reality of things!
254HEAVY is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2022 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.