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Old 5th Dec 2017, 20:47
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Thanks a lot for the info
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Old 10th Dec 2017, 17:53
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One of the employees at Parc had told me that the $15000 is actually withheld from your pay over the first year and then not paid to you until 3 years is up even if you're rated and current on the 787,seems unfair seeing there is very little training cost involved and just a way of retaining you for at least 3 years, has anyone had actual experience of this or is it just particular to Parc?
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 12:52
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If dual rated on 777 or 787

USD 8,000 (USD Eight Thousand Only) for the Training Program. The training cost is intended to cover all costs and expenses related with Training Program. the Training Cost will be deducted and paid to Ethiopian, in twelve (6) equal monthly installments from the monthly salary of the Employee, Such Training Cost shall be returned (without interest) to the Employee only if the Employee has fully and effectively completed until the three (3) years’ Service Commitment period.
If rated on only 777 or 787

There is training cost USD 15,000 and it will be deductible from the employee 1st, one year salary and refundable after three years’ service.
But no training cost will be paid for B737, 757/767 or Q400 even if they will be in ground school for about a month.

And Basic salary covering the training period will be paid within six months on installment basis starting completion of the training program for B737, 757/767 or Q400.
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Old 4th Jan 2018, 01:15
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Thanks for the reply Yeweshet

So have I got this right?, if you are rated on the B787 there is a $15000 training cost!
Is this because they want to train you up on the B777 as well (is this compulsory even if you aren’t interested in flying the 777?) and the $15000 covers this. The $8000 is for the cost to get you on line for both 787 and 777 if you are dual rated so don’t need the conversion training ?

But if you are rated on one of the other types there is no training costs at all!

I am rated and a current Capt on the B787 and also rated on the B737 so I would be better applying for a B737 job?.........needless to say I far prefer the 787.

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Old 7th Jan 2018, 12:15
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Just one more question if anyone can help, is the pay tax free or tax paid as I see Ethiopian income tax is 35%, if it is tax paid it would be useful in off setting home income tax
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Old 7th Jan 2018, 12:28
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Sucram,

No tax deducted in Ethiopia. You can get a verification letter from ET, that tax is paid here, for use in your homecountry. I will repeat though, that you will get seriously frustrated here. All that you can trust here is basically the 20/10 roster and the salary. Everything else in ET, is a huge rubberband, always to the company's benefit
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Old 7th Jan 2018, 16:27
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Thanks for info 767 driver, much appreciated, best to know what the reality is and what you’re letting yourself in for before you commit. I really don’t like the sound of the $15000 training bond for an experienced 787 type rated guy though, that really doesn’t sound fair, can’t see a sim check and some line training costing anywhere near that!
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 12:36
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Hi Sucram,

That training bond, for an experienced 787 Capt, who is actually giving ET a huge present by bringing a rating and experience to ET 'for free', is just another example of what Im talking about... totally inexplicable and crazy. FYI, it will be stated in your contract, that "any dispute between the pilot and ET is to be resolved by the courts of Ethiopia"....Now, Ethiopian Airlines, Ethiopian CAA and the Ethiopian Government are all one and the same thing. If for some reason, the company decides to NOT pay you back your 'training bond' after 3 years here (I wouldn't be shocked)....who do you think would win that courtcase? Go figure. But let me remind you, that this is Africa.....

As an aside...Im on 767 (doh) - rated and experienced when I joined. NO training bond. Consistency or just management by fumbling in the blind, seeking new ways to keep people from leaving if they want ? There is your reason, that this guy will refuse to go on 777/787....because I would then have to pay usd 19.000 UP FRONT + another usd 19000 over 3 years..Now, do I trust, that I'll be paid back after 3 years of service ? Take my refusal to upgrade to 777/787 as my answer to that! I 'gave them' my rating and experience, and have done my service......Im not paying them when THEY want me to upgrade, after already having given them 'my rating and experience' for free once.....

Not much here, makes any sense for us Europeans/Americans. But that IS ET for ya'....
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Old 8th Jan 2018, 15:51
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Yes I think that the B787 “training” bond would have the complete opposite desired effect by putting people off applying rather than retaining people (especially if it doesn’t apply to other types). Maybe I would be better applying for the B737?.....(or maybe I should have stayed on the 767!)
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Old 9th Jan 2018, 13:56
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Don't apply for the 737 Sucram. Salary is usd 2000 lower than on the 787. Plus, you'll be worked to death. If you really wanna come, do go for the 787...but try to negotiate first. Talk to the Dir.Flt.Ops. I'll pm you his email
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 15:29
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Hello,

A quick question please, do they overnight in Oslo or Stockholm?

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Old 12th Jan 2018, 07:53
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Layover is in Oslo. Stockholm touch and go on the way to Oslo. But Oslo layover isn't much more than a touch and go either
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 15:51
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I Would have thought there is 2 x 2 days/night and 3 x 1 night stop since they fly 5 days a week to OSL...Anyone on the B777 or B787 care to share info please.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 17:10
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How about info on the layover cities and layover times for the big jets. Mostly 48 hours or mostly 24 hours.
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Old 13th Jan 2018, 06:24
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Skyrocket, I was wrong. Oslo layover is around 30 hours. Hotel is at at Gardemoen, but plenty of time to jump on the train to Oslo
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Old 13th Jan 2018, 13:52
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Thank You! I see they operate Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat/Sun......
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 18:20
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How many days can you expect to be in ADD if you're doing a 20/10 roster on 777/787?
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 08:49
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Originally Posted by dustyskies View Post
How many days can you expect to be in ADD if you're doing a 20/10 roster on 777/787?
I've heard 5 to 6
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 10:36
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If you are lucky to be on 777 only, true. If on 787...a lot more day trips in Africa - so a lot more days in Addis. Thats what the guys tell me. One guy said, when he was only on 777, life was great. But as soon as he got crossqualified, it went south
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 15:30
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Would any expats flying on the Q400 be willing to share their experience working for Ethiopian ?
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