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Ethiopean infos.

Old 22nd Jul 2016, 18:29
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Originally Posted by one mile View Post
any one know if ETH is still hiring FO's on wide body?
Yes they do, only type rated on 777 and/or 787
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Old 22nd Jul 2016, 21:32
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I hope they will consider me, Im 100h short of the requirements, Im applied thru FCI.
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Old 31st Jul 2016, 15:49
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you can also apply directly with the airline, you find the info on eth website
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Old 2nd Aug 2016, 08:17
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Hi Davidaz68,
I did,but the email on the website doesnt seems to work, I filled the online application, I dont know if its enaught. It looklike they dont need F/O's anymore...
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Old 2nd Aug 2016, 09:15
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One Mile you have a PM
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Old 2nd Aug 2016, 13:27
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They did not cut any overtime allowances, simply now we have a reasonable lower monthly flight activity as more pilots joined the company. But there has not been any salary or allowance reduction
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Old 2nd Aug 2016, 18:36
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Originally Posted by hotbreak View Post
"quote" Reasonable lower monthly flight activity means Expatriate crew will not fly over 80hrs. over time is first and exclusively should be assigned to locals, any left over may go to Expats. Contrary to your statement the numbers leaving the company overlaps the joining ones. that's is why almost all recruitment agencies are and have been looking for crews in all fleets with 200hrs on type for the past three years and so. Even the unemployed Kenyan crew refused to join!
The kenyan refused for other reasons, anyway, i understand your point but since i have to fly for other 17 years, i'm very happy to fly 80 hrs or less. I m not interested in flying 100 and more hrs every month, if you are, be my guest.
I find this one a nice place to work with nice people, it s not the best contract around, it s true but one of the few to be a real commuting one.
Of course, it s only my personal opinion
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Old 5th Aug 2016, 08:21
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Originally Posted by one mile View Post
I hope they will consider me, Im 100h short of the requirements, Im applied thru FCI.
Hi one mile. I talked to them 3-4 months ago, when I was also 100 hours short. I was told that, there is no way they can start my process, before reaching the minimum required.
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Old 7th Aug 2016, 17:36
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Hey MD80767 Driver,

I got the same reply on Friday
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 07:57
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Looking at joining EK, EY or QR at the moment. How does ET compare with the big 3 ME? I would like to give ET the benefit of the doubt after reading some good posts here.

Any info would be highly appreciated.
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Old 15th Sep 2016, 15:09
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Hi All ..

The basic on the B737 is US$7500 ... what is the B777/787 Basic salary ...

Many thanks

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Old 15th Sep 2016, 20:49
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The basic on 737 is 7000 + perdiem + bonus+ housing
On 777 is 9000 + same things
But you can get the info on ethiopian website, section "careers"
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Old 16th Sep 2016, 17:03
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ETH depends on each others background or necessities. The 777 and 787 schedule are pretty much a monthly mess, this 20/10 scheme is ok if your home base is served daily from Addis or else you will have to sell your soul to the devil. Some guys accept anything and also bribe the schedulers to get better over time $$$ flights. Recently 7 schedulers were fired for that. The company has way too more airplanes than they can handle, there are a daily problem at the ramp: NO enough shuttle bus to carry the crew in and out the airplanes, when you ARR at the cargo terminal, be ready to wait up to 50 minutes for the shuttle.

After airborne no more communications to the company, they do not use ACARS for saving money, they delay the so called 6 monthly bonus every time, unless a month earlier you remind them almost daily. There are so many annoyances that our colleagues do not mention on this forum, Every month they loose pilots that just abandon the job and never come back, yes no resign just disappear.

Well, as I said earlier it all depends of each ones objective, sometime the necessity makes you find this job a breeze. Now the new contract for the 777 include a clause that you must do the 787 type and they will hold US$15K from you, good for the young boys, bad for the old foxes.

Anyway, the company is a mess but they do not care about AFDR, you close the door, pray, and go for it. The first officers are quite good indeed. Out of 12 pilots that joined the same time as me, 5 left within the first 12 months, I am struggling not to do so. If you go for a cargo flight be ready to to your job and the dispatch and coordination as well, you will be left alone wherever you are. Good luck!!!
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Old 17th Sep 2016, 19:25
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Thanks Trim for info ...

Interesting post 77heavy ...

Good Luck ..

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Old 23rd Oct 2016, 22:01
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Any latest news? Read the 75/76s are going. Im rated on 737 with a current PC. My commute would be to the USA and see most of the flights stop in Lome Togo? Im really interested in going more for the adventure than anything. I have previos Africa experience.
Thanks for any info.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 01:32
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Look at their root map dude. ET flies direct to US. Sometimes a tech stop in Rome though. The Lome deal is a subsidiary of ET. The Thpanith seem to be over there, hence the unintelligible garble on the radio.
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 04:32
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Eth is currently flying to US. To IAD and LAX (and YYZ) via Dublin and To EWR via Lome. On the way back to Addis, IAD and YYZ fly no-stop while the others make the same stop as they have traffic rights
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Old 24th Oct 2016, 21:06
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Thanks Tri. I was trying to look at the site overseas but it was blocking me.
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Old 5th Nov 2016, 11:07
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Hi everyone! I'm thinking to apply for B737 DEC position. I've read about some political issues in Addis Ababa recently, some demonstrations against the government. How is latest situation in Addis Ababa?
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Old 6th Nov 2016, 18:39
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REB737 - Suffice it to say no one knows what the future will hold. Protesters with legitimate grievances are in fact a big deal, though moreso in the countryside than Addis itself. The government is attempting limited reforms to address their grievances. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether or not that will work, but I'd still apply for the job if I were you.

Background - When the communist dictatorship was overthrown, a big part of the fighting was done by the Tigrayan Revolutionary Front (or some such).

There are (more or less) four major ethnic groups in Ethiopia (and some smaller ones). The Somalis are generally in the east of the country and don't matter to this discussion. The Tigrayans are the smallest of the major ethnic groups, but also the most politically powerful. Many of the high-ranking politicians and army officers are Tigray. (Though not the current prime minister, an Oromo). The Amhara are, like the Tigray, from the north of the country. Together the Amhara and the Tigray are the two groups associated with the 2-thousand-year history of urban civilization (much of which is dominated by Christianity). The Oromo are the new kids on the block, ethnically speaking. They were an interior tribal people that conquered a bunch of territory in what is now southern Ethiopia a few hundred years ago and more-or-less assimilated to Ethiopian culture & helped the recent Ethiopian emperors conquer some more territory (especially along what is now the Sudanese/southern border).

Ethiopia is very much a federal state, with the various states corresponding to ethnic territories (think Scotland, Wales, etc. in the U.K.). There are two big complaints by the Oromo (and, less importantly, Amhara) against the government (aka Tigray). One is a lack of political freedom. Which is fair - who gets to participate in elections is very limited in Ethiopia. An individual Oromo isn't generally discriminated against in everyday life though. The second big criticism is that Addis Ababa's administrative area is being expanded by annexing Oromo farm land, and that in general the government awards large development projects to foreign companies by giving them rights to productive land in Oromo & Amhara regions.

Will this affect you? Probably not. There is some concern - the more destructive of the protests/riots have specifically targeted major foreign investments, which the airline could be seen as part of. But in general this seems to be more land disputes than a genuine anti-foreigner bias (even the few cases of foreign investments targeted, it's generally buildings being burnt down at night and NOT foreign employees being put at risk), and of course the airline isn't a big land-user. AKA, Tigrays are taking our traditional farmland and selling it to some big European company to enrich themselves leaving us with nothing, so we're mad. Again - not a problem with the airline.

Could a war break out in the country? Possibly, if ethnic tensions get worked up - the Oromo are the largest of the ethnic groups in Ethiopia. But it's a real long-shot, I consider that highly unlikely. Not least because this has NOT been a problem over the last few generations, so there is no ready-made Oromo militia or source of arms.

Is religious extremism a problem? There are a lot of Muslims (and Christians...) in Ethiopia, but religious tensions aren't generally part of the current political landscape, nor are extremist groups. Somalis tend to be Muslim, Oromo roughly split Christian-Muslim, and Tigray and Amhara tend to be Christian. Christianity will dominate in Addis.

Personally, I would NOT let this worry stop me from taking the job. Ethiopia has strong, centralized government without a lot of corruption problems. There has been violence, but it is not widespread and not generally in Addis (and has generally been the result of the government being harsh on protesters). It's not a traditional African conflict. I'd see this as similar to/having elements of the Basque separatist conflict in Spain (but less assassinations), fights over land in Brazil, or even the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (again, with a LOT less violence). You'd still be willing to take a job in Barcelona or Bilbao, and personally I'd prefer a job in Addis than in Rio or Tel Aviv.

Suggested precautions - live close to the airport/city center in Addis. There's no real hostility to the historic parts of the city, just the new developments on the outskirts. Those I'd avoid. P.S. I wouldn't take a job there if I was gay though. Despite having a very different flavor of Christianity than the rest of Africa, it's still a pretty hostile country to homosexuals.

Last edited by MisterFred; 6th Nov 2016 at 19:14.
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