British Airways Incident at Johannesburg
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Originally Posted by JW411
They simply took a wrong turning and demolished a building. What exactly do you not understand?
Sherlock! Not much gets past you then?For us Professionals out there, a full report highlighting 'why' this occurred will hopefully prevent it from happening again. An accident occurs from a litany of threats that lead to a error. Of course they took a wrong turn and hit a building, but what were the holes in the swiss cheese that led to this.
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The first hole was being parked at a stand which BA do not normally use.
This led to using an unfamiliar taxiway on a dark night.
Poor layout of the junction and poor signage led to a situation where a moment of inattention took them straight on rather than turning left.
Has anything been done yet about the signage and lighting ?
There, but for the grace........
This led to using an unfamiliar taxiway on a dark night.
Poor layout of the junction and poor signage led to a situation where a moment of inattention took them straight on rather than turning left.
Has anything been done yet about the signage and lighting ?
There, but for the grace........
Some airport charts are bad depictions of the reality out there.
The other gotcha is taxiways that are depicted as straight and true ...... but when you experience them on a dark night in lousy weather you find yourself noting kinks or chicanes in those taxiways. That so easily creates doubt as to whether you are on the taxiway you thought you were, and it isn't just confined to 3rd world airfields!
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Here she is
Managed to snap a shot of her parked at ORT Technical Area last week Friday - sans engines. Wonder how long before she is towed out of there ...
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12128105/BNLL.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12128105/BNLL.jpg
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It's a -200!!
This is not a British Airways a/c. Regional Air was formed by Air Kenya. Became a BA franchisee in 2001, until 2003. In Addis Ababa for maintenance,fatigue cracks found and engines dismantled. Its been there since Aug 2004
This is not a British Airways a/c. Regional Air was formed by Air Kenya. Became a BA franchisee in 2001, until 2003. In Addis Ababa for maintenance,fatigue cracks found and engines dismantled. Its been there since Aug 2004
This is not a British Airways a/c. Regional Air was formed by Air Kenya. Became a BA franchisee in 2001, until 2003. In Addis Ababa for maintenance, fatigue cracks found and engines dismantled. Its been there since Aug 2004.
But that's irrelevant. This point is that it's a derelict hulk and it's in British Airways colours for the world to see.
It's a -200!!
Is it safe to assume it was towed off to some remote part of the Johannesburg airport and is being quietly scrapped in place?
Or perhaps it's turned into a theme restaurant
Or perhaps it's turned into a theme restaurant
The location indicated in post #651 would appear to fit the description of "remote", and removal of two engines would suggest it's not being flown out anywhere ...
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I know for a fact that BA did a deal with their insurers to receive a payment in lieu of repair of this airframe. Thus it is still theirs to break and sell as spares as they wish but it will never fly again....
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Video of Fuel pouring out
Hi Neil
Thank you for your comments. It nice to see someone with a bit of sense.
I was a passenger on this plane and I can assure you that this was not a pleasant experience. With fuel pouring out of the wing for what felt like forever I at no stage felt safe and the way the staff reacted was not calming either. They all looked very panicked.
British Airways BA34 Crash Fire Services - YouTube
Here is a video clip and I can assure you I do not feel sorry for the crew. I understand mistakes happen but this was one that could have very easily been avoided and in terms on compensation from BA it was pathetic. We were awarded the equivalent in airmiles to buy another return flight to London.
Like I would chose BA again after that.
Thank you for your comments. It nice to see someone with a bit of sense.
I was a passenger on this plane and I can assure you that this was not a pleasant experience. With fuel pouring out of the wing for what felt like forever I at no stage felt safe and the way the staff reacted was not calming either. They all looked very panicked.
British Airways BA34 Crash Fire Services - YouTube
Here is a video clip and I can assure you I do not feel sorry for the crew. I understand mistakes happen but this was one that could have very easily been avoided and in terms on compensation from BA it was pathetic. We were awarded the equivalent in airmiles to buy another return flight to London.
Like I would chose BA again after that.
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So perhaps if BA had been more generous you'd have been happy?
It's easy to be critical, but there were 3 pilots in that cockpit on that fateful evening and rest assured they weren't talking about football or scoring the cabin crew from the previous evening........that they got it wrong is not in dispute, its about the factors that led to that, so that we all (in the pointy bit) can learn from it, the fact that they are back flying the jumbo for BA speaks volumes, in due course i'm sure the AAIB report will shed more light on it........
It's easy to be critical, but there were 3 pilots in that cockpit on that fateful evening and rest assured they weren't talking about football or scoring the cabin crew from the previous evening........that they got it wrong is not in dispute, its about the factors that led to that, so that we all (in the pointy bit) can learn from it, the fact that they are back flying the jumbo for BA speaks volumes, in due course i'm sure the AAIB report will shed more light on it........
I was a passenger on this plane and I can assure you that this was not a pleasant experience. With fuel pouring out of the wing for what felt like forever I at no stage felt safe and the way the staff reacted was not calming either. They all looked very panicked.
Regarding compensation what would you like? I'm sure BA looked after you and put you up at a hotel and fed you in the same way as a technical delay until the next available flight. If you're after £££ then you need to spend £££ to proceed further.
what we see now is that this was actually a fairly major ground prang in the dark with a building partly destroyed with a fractured wing leaking fuel -
i do not know how long the pax sat on this 747 for but a full dark cabin with emergency vehicles outside dealing with damage and leaking fuel i would not be surprised if the cabin crew may have been on tenterhooks awaiting an EVAC order from the flt deck...
even with my many years of operational aviation experience i would not have been too comfy sitting on board for very long in this situation especially in the dark
i do not think for one moment the BA crew would be panicky but they certainly would be anxious due to the unknown factors occurring.
an EVAC in the dark there (the area was poorly lit) again would be undesirable but i guess the crew were monitoring this in case it was deemed necessary. even if the LHS only was used it was dark (and raining?) and could well have been chaotic despite the professionalism of BA crews.
all rather unfortunate
i do not know how long the pax sat on this 747 for but a full dark cabin with emergency vehicles outside dealing with damage and leaking fuel i would not be surprised if the cabin crew may have been on tenterhooks awaiting an EVAC order from the flt deck...
even with my many years of operational aviation experience i would not have been too comfy sitting on board for very long in this situation especially in the dark
i do not think for one moment the BA crew would be panicky but they certainly would be anxious due to the unknown factors occurring.
an EVAC in the dark there (the area was poorly lit) again would be undesirable but i guess the crew were monitoring this in case it was deemed necessary. even if the LHS only was used it was dark (and raining?) and could well have been chaotic despite the professionalism of BA crews.
all rather unfortunate