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Old 1st Mar 2014, 05:24
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Originally Posted by kinteafrokunta
I thought I saw fleetingly a post from someone that this was an accident not an incident . Wow, it was quickly taken out so fast that I hadn't even finished the sentence " those nigels................ " before it went out of sight! GCHQ super efficiency?

Odd. I wonder why that would be considered offensive. As for the accident/incident question, there wouldn't be any question if it were under the jurisdiction of the US. Under the NTSB regulations an accident is defined as:
“an occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury, or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage.”
It would be pretty hard to argue that the aircraft had not sustained substantial damage, given that it's being scrapped as a result.

Is there a similar legal definition which would be relevant in this instance?
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Old 26th Mar 2014, 13:05
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Good news all it's not all Bad!

G-BNLE which was due to be WFU is No not going to be Withrawn
This is to cover for G-BNLL which was a w/o at JNB leaving BA now -1 744. At least one of the G-BN** will remain
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 16:11
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According to another site, quite a few will remain in service for some time yet!

Plans seem to be to retire (chronologically):

NLJ 4/2014
NLS 5/2014
NLI 8/2014
NLF 9/2014
NLW 10/2014
NLG 7/2015
NLU 10/2015
NLV 11/2015
NLX 11/2015
NLZ 1/2016

No plans yet to retire:

NLJ
NLK
NLN
NLO
NLP
NLY

Add to which NLE, which must be the oldest B747-400 airframe still with BA.

PS. I have flown them all in my time!
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 17:48
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Do we know why the a/c ended up on the wrong taxiway yet?
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 07:12
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NLT was retired on 1st April FYI
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 10:19
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Are we sure about that??

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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 11:45
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Think so

British Airways B747-400 G-BNLT Withdrawn. | The BA Source
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 18:18
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Maybe 1st April is just a British thing!

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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Shaman
Do we know why the a/c ended up on the wrong taxiway yet?

Maybe because the pilot failed to follow the taxiway.
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Old 7th Apr 2014, 10:17
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Root cause

Ozlander1:-

Shaman asks "Do we know why the a/c ended up on the wrong taxiway yet?" - a perfectly reasonable question. When this question is answered the root cause will be found and mitigation to prevent a recurrence can be put in place.

Your reply "Maybe because the pilot failed to follow the taxiway" merely answers the question "Why did the 747's wing strike the building?"

One needs to look further than that.
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Old 7th Apr 2014, 10:23
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Are we sure about that??
Even management have finally made it public....
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Old 1st May 2014, 17:06
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Have I missed the bleeding obvious here?

It's been well over 4 months now and no Interim Report, or anything for that matter, about this incident. I know this occurred on South African soil, and that they should be the ones to handle the investigation, but not heard a peep from anyone. A trawl of the AAIB and South African CAA - air accident websites produce nada, nil, nothing. Like it never even happened.

If I've missed something then let me know, as I'm kinda curious to know what happened.

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Old 1st May 2014, 17:22
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They simply took a wrong turning and demolished a building. What exactly do you not understand?
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Old 1st May 2014, 23:39
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About 3 weeks ago I was on taxiway A down near 03L threshold when I noticed a BA 744 parked on the maintenance apron off to the right, would this be the aircraft involved in the incident?
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Old 2nd May 2014, 07:38
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Yes...that's BNLL
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Old 2nd May 2014, 07:56
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Shame these Multi Million$ Craft Have no GPS

Hello Mr Boeing ( and Mr Airbus )

What a shame these Multi Million$ Craft Have no GPS to show the operators in heavy rain and/or at night, that they are not following an "Allowed" path.

Just put every airport in the World into a small GPS, add it as standard equipment, and Voila, the "accident" would not have happened.

It would save a multi $$$ aircraft, and a building, and possibly some lives in that building.

Such a system could be ground based ( i.e. Welght on Wheels based).
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Old 2nd May 2014, 08:19
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Fly nerd you might want to read this AERO - Improving Runway Safety with Flight Deck Enhancements
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JeppFD-Pro has a moving symbol representing your aircraft on the aerodrome map. Each pilot on our aircraft has the app installed on an iPad.
It works well as an aid but does not replace looking outside!
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Old 2nd May 2014, 08:31
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Aircraft GPS

Thanks SMOC and OffChocks

I wonder if BA had it available that night.

We still do not know the status of in-situ taxiway lighting that fateful night.
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Old 3rd May 2014, 05:37
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I can tell you the answer to that question Flynerd: no
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