British Airways Incident at Johannesburg
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Probably the CAA is having to take its time over this extremely complex incident, which appears to be demanding to investigate and perhaps is stretching their resources to the limit.
The FAA also seems to dragging its feet in publishing its 787 Safety review, which should have been available in the Summer of 2013.
Maybe there is no rush to publish bad news?
The FAA also seems to dragging its feet in publishing its 787 Safety review, which should have been available in the Summer of 2013.
Maybe there is no rush to publish bad news?
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Given that the regulatory authority is required to give an initial report after 30 days I am surprised that nothing has been published yet.
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This accident happened 2 months ago.
BA knows what happened.
The CAA will have been informed what happened. Given that the regulatory authority is required to give an initial report after 30 days I am surprised that nothing has been published yet.
BA knows what happened.
The CAA will have been informed what happened. Given that the regulatory authority is required to give an initial report after 30 days I am surprised that nothing has been published yet.
ICAO Annex 13, Section 7.4
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No Preliminary report? Didnt you get the fax?
Neither did I - only because I'm not on the list of recipients in 7.1 of said ICAO annex. Imagine the postal bill if everybody in the state of design alone got a copy!
You'll have to wait for the vetted and approved report like the rest of us.
Neither did I - only because I'm not on the list of recipients in 7.1 of said ICAO annex. Imagine the postal bill if everybody in the state of design alone got a copy!
You'll have to wait for the vetted and approved report like the rest of us.
I am not sure I have ever seen such a "Prelim Report"
http://www.caa.co.za/Media%20Stateme...20accident.pdf
http://www.caa.co.za/Media%20Stateme...20accident.pdf
Not necessarily published within 30 days of the event.
What happened to the pilots ?
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A bean counter decision, not an engineering one.
Dave, if you read my comment carefully then you will realize that the suggestion was not mine...
BOAC73, I'm sure you do a superb job at fixing those aeroplanes (or rather keeping them in good shape so they don't need to be fixed in the first place), but just every now and then you may put some thought to where the money that hits your bank account each month comes from. I'm sure you could fix LL, but would you be willing to forfeit half your salary for the next five years for being able to do so ?
BOAC73, I'm sure you do a superb job at fixing those aeroplanes (or rather keeping them in good shape so they don't need to be fixed in the first place), but just every now and then you may put some thought to where the money that hits your bank account each month comes from. I'm sure you could fix LL, but would you be willing to forfeit half your salary for the next five years for being able to do so ?
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The bean counters can write off Lima Lima. That may be the financially correct thing to do. Just be rest assured I have not started a repair I have not finished!
And as yet I have not funded it from my own pocket!
And as yet I have not funded it from my own pocket!
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A link above refers to the aircraft being "withdrawn from service". Does this mean that it has not actually been declared a hull loss for insurance purposes, but merely another in the series of BA 744 withdrawals?
Does this mean that it has not actually been declared a hull loss for insurance purposes, but merely another in the series of BA 744 withdrawals?
After a certain age it's not normally worth insuring the hull if you have a large fleet (and thus a potentially large insurance bill) to spread the risk. The same applied to the 20-year old 747-100 BA lost in the first Gulf War in 1991 in Kuwait (which is why they offered all sorts of incentives to get it back before it was lost to target practice). You have to ensure however that the accountants make some provision in the accounts for this, to avoid impacting profits reported for the year.
(but would you be willing to forfeit half your salary for the next five years for being able to do so)
A good treasury accountant would be able to make a similar sum on the rise & fall of the $, and/or shopping around for the lowest fuel, rather than just penalising engineers salary, whose job it is to keep the aircraft flying.
A good treasury accountant would be able to make a similar sum on the rise & fall of the $, and/or shopping around for the lowest fuel, rather than just penalising engineers salary, whose job it is to keep the aircraft flying.
My reference to 30 days.
Forgive my lack of accuracy but I was pretty certain that, following an accident, an announcement of the facts as known was to be made within 30 days.
Most of us here would like to learn something in order to try and avoid a similar situation.
I know that there will be many who will take delight in criticising BA pilots but I am not one of them. I have taken the wrong taxiway on 3 occasions despite pre briefings of the expected routing - once at ARN and twice at LGW.
Although my last visit to LGW was in 2008, it is the only airport to which I have operated - and I have operated worldwide - where the taxiway markers are NOT at right angles to the taxiway. Have a look at your home airport taxiway markings prior to your next visit to LGW and you will see what I mean after arriving on the ramp at LGW.
Forgive my lack of accuracy but I was pretty certain that, following an accident, an announcement of the facts as known was to be made within 30 days.
Most of us here would like to learn something in order to try and avoid a similar situation.
I know that there will be many who will take delight in criticising BA pilots but I am not one of them. I have taken the wrong taxiway on 3 occasions despite pre briefings of the expected routing - once at ARN and twice at LGW.
Although my last visit to LGW was in 2008, it is the only airport to which I have operated - and I have operated worldwide - where the taxiway markers are NOT at right angles to the taxiway. Have a look at your home airport taxiway markings prior to your next visit to LGW and you will see what I mean after arriving on the ramp at LGW.
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