Ethiopian 767 Lands Arusha
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Puzzles me, the aircraft is at some 75 degree angle to the runway, at the very end of it. Manouvre to stay on the runway?
Here's Arusha some years ago. I believe work has been done on the runway since, far end.
Inflygning mot Arushas inrikesflygplats ARK. BILD. Plats: Arusha, Tanzania.
(Looks almost like an elevation towards us in the pic, but it's not, it's flat land.)
Here's Arusha some years ago. I believe work has been done on the runway since, far end.
Inflygning mot Arushas inrikesflygplats ARK. BILD. Plats: Arusha, Tanzania.
(Looks almost like an elevation towards us in the pic, but it's not, it's flat land.)
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The Facebook page of Regional Air Tanzania has many photos.
https://www.facebook.com/RegionalAirTanzania
https://www.facebook.com/RegionalAirTanzania
It may be a remarkable landing for such a large bird at such a small airport, particularly as there are no injuries or major damage.... however, I have to ask "WHAT WAS IT EVEN DOING THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE??"
Foxcotte, in my end of the world there is no requirement to always carry an alternate aerodrome. If the load allows I will throw on some more fuel, but more often than not I am operating on minimum fuel. (With my fingers crossed)
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Anyone considering that the crew may have been acting on information (while holding) that gave them a reason to believe the issue at JRO would be resolved?
They may have taken the decision to commit to JRO. (Eating into alternate fuel)
I wonder how long they were holding for considering Ethiopian normally tankers a significant amount of fuel into JRO (due to the price there).
They may have taken the decision to commit to JRO. (Eating into alternate fuel)
I wonder how long they were holding for considering Ethiopian normally tankers a significant amount of fuel into JRO (due to the price there).
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They did a visual hold for about 20 minutes. When they approached Arusha Airport, they were still on Kilimanjaro frequency for clearence to land on runaway 27 which is exactly the runway marking for Arusha. Arusha tower didn't have any info about this flight unfortunately.
happens but there is always a lesson and a way not to make it happen again...
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Whatever the reason, the crew did wonderfully well to get the dunlops on HTAR safely. Nose wheel stuck on grd on the grassy sod off the runway probably when tryng to turn?
Pity they might wind up as truck drivers very soon as I can't see how the cockpit crew can be absolved of guilt.
Pity they might wind up as truck drivers very soon as I can't see how the cockpit crew can be absolved of guilt.
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I'm not impressed with most of you guys. Whatever happened to innocent until proved guilty. These guys got a 767 safely onto a 4500' runway. A certain Korean crew couldn't get a 777 onto a 10K+' runway.
Remember Management these days have us running around everywhere on minimum fuel, so we don't really know what the senario was here.
Disappointed with you lot though.....
Remember Management these days have us running around everywhere on minimum fuel, so we don't really know what the senario was here.
Disappointed with you lot though.....
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Well Panda you have to conisder a few things, no one disagrees that the landing was not conducted well, but....
They were not on Arusha Frequency, which makes me wonder if they even knew where they were, after landing pilots apparently asked what the name of the airfield was.
Arusha alarm was sounded as the aircraft came in over the threshold, so pretty sure the tower had no prior warning.
Considering the proximity of the parking apron to the runway it is very fortunate that none of the ATR's that usually are there at that time were there, otherwise there would have been considerably more carnage.
Once safely landed, why did the pilot attempt to turn? There is no where for that aircraft to go, no turn pad and from the cockpit you can see only grass, I'm guessing they might have been in a bit of shock after such a tight and dangerous landing and rightfully so not had their full faculties about them.
Even with a partially blocked runway it would still have been safer to land in Kili, perhaps as 737 lover said earlier it is a case of mistaken identity as both runways are orientated the same direction. Also Mount Meru is next to Arusha and to the unfamiliar might be mistaken for Kilimanjaro.
I'd like to hear the radio conversation or even better the cockpit recordings as to how they decided to go to Arusha. An airfield that small would not even be in their on board database.
The report of this incident will make for some interesting reading, also wondering if the aircraft will ever leave, it looks like an old ex Charter bird, probably leased hence no colors, might not even have an Ethiopian interior, I know KQ used a few a few years back. The owners might just cut their losses and strip it of everything that is useful and leave it there.
They were not on Arusha Frequency, which makes me wonder if they even knew where they were, after landing pilots apparently asked what the name of the airfield was.
Arusha alarm was sounded as the aircraft came in over the threshold, so pretty sure the tower had no prior warning.
Considering the proximity of the parking apron to the runway it is very fortunate that none of the ATR's that usually are there at that time were there, otherwise there would have been considerably more carnage.
Once safely landed, why did the pilot attempt to turn? There is no where for that aircraft to go, no turn pad and from the cockpit you can see only grass, I'm guessing they might have been in a bit of shock after such a tight and dangerous landing and rightfully so not had their full faculties about them.
Even with a partially blocked runway it would still have been safer to land in Kili, perhaps as 737 lover said earlier it is a case of mistaken identity as both runways are orientated the same direction. Also Mount Meru is next to Arusha and to the unfamiliar might be mistaken for Kilimanjaro.
I'd like to hear the radio conversation or even better the cockpit recordings as to how they decided to go to Arusha. An airfield that small would not even be in their on board database.
The report of this incident will make for some interesting reading, also wondering if the aircraft will ever leave, it looks like an old ex Charter bird, probably leased hence no colors, might not even have an Ethiopian interior, I know KQ used a few a few years back. The owners might just cut their losses and strip it of everything that is useful and leave it there.
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Awww. Poor kunfu panda. Fact of the matter, this is some interesting drama that warrants interesting responses. Bottom line... no one got hurt... got to be thankful for that. Apart from that, it doesn't take a crash investigator to tell that the crew screwed up their visual circling to land R27... they didn't declare minimum fuel for a diversion to Arusha... landed without a clearance, and surely heard their plane call out 500' AGL when they would have had 2000' left in their descent to the proper TDZE in Kili. This after the dreamlifter lands at a GA airport not even a month ago. Got to love how Ethiopian downplayed the incident in their press release on their website...
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in my end of the world there is no requirement to always carry an alternate aerodrome. If the load allows I will throw on some more fuel, but more often than not I am operating on minimum fuel. (With my fingers crossed)
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keep the info coming fellows.
This thread is AMAZING, can't believe what I am reading.
Priceless!
Love the post about the crew asking where they were when they landed.
I think Ethiopian need to examine their pilot selection process.
This thread is AMAZING, can't believe what I am reading.
Priceless!
Love the post about the crew asking where they were when they landed.
I think Ethiopian need to examine their pilot selection process.
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Well said Soap Box Cowboy
But at the end of the day I'm sure Ethiopian Airlines will do anything to get this Plane out of Arusha at any cost even if they have to extend the runaway
I have never flown a B767 before but with my experience on B737, the takeoff distance available in Arusha even with minimum fuel is Marginal...
But at the end of the day I'm sure Ethiopian Airlines will do anything to get this Plane out of Arusha at any cost even if they have to extend the runaway
I have never flown a B767 before but with my experience on B737, the takeoff distance available in Arusha even with minimum fuel is Marginal...
Strip all the seats out, carry minimum fuel, plan to depart just after sunrise when it's cool and get a special permit from the Civil Aviation Authority. Check with Boeing that the ground run is sufficient to get airborne, if not I'm sure a temporary runway extension would be preferable to an insurance write off.
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I have 2000 hours plus in general aviation aircraft. I have never had a flat tire. Yet this is the 3rd time I know(including twice personally) that I know of Kilimanjaro being closed due to a caravan with a flat tire. Thankfully, both times, we had either enough fuel to hold while the caravan was towed or it was towed before we arrived. Is there an epidemic of bad tires being sold to caravan operators in Africa? Are we side loading the gear on landings? Why is this happening so much? Why can you taxi off the runway with a flat tire? Is it impossible? I've never tried with a single wheel geared aircraft but I have done it with a multi-wheeled aircraft, not a huge deal.
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Mail-man, i hope you only carry mail/cargo with no alternate fuel.
They'll manage to get that 767 out without even stripping seats... with 1 hour fuel. No probemo.
They'll manage to get that 767 out without even stripping seats... with 1 hour fuel. No probemo.
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They'll manage to get that 767 out without even stripping seats... with 1 hour fuel. No probemo.