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Ethiopian 767 Lands Arusha

Old 22nd Dec 2013, 05:05
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Some Caravan Genius's out there with interesting theories on caravans popping tyres on one side? really?
I have thousands of hours on vans. So does our friend FS.
The strips here in Tanzania are bad, sharp stones, thorns etc. Also, many landings at Arusha and Kili are with cross-winds from the right. So, maybe, just maybe, the right mains are wearing down faster if the correct technique is used ie right main down first, with wind from the right. The valve may have pinched due to tyre creep. Maybe there are inferior quality tyres out there, but I've also had flat wheels with brand new tyres, no thanks to thorns and sharp rocks.
The van in question had a flat "right" main wheel. Ask FS, he was planking on it. funny guy!
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Old 22nd Dec 2013, 05:31
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What the crew were thinking? Who knows? When you land at an airfield thats
really short 1620m, with destination still 27 nm away, in this case behind you,
you may want to start scratching your head. There are no runway lights,
approached, nav aids, markers at Arusha. Its a VFR field. If you approach HTKJ,
in a 767, you would normally have all nav aids etc programmed in, right?
So they made a visual approach, with out any of the normal landing aids?
I can think of a Korean airline that could use these guys in a training role.
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Old 22nd Dec 2013, 08:35
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So they made a visual approach, with out any of the normal landing aids?
All in a day's work on the fine continent. On the other hand, looking at the hulks of scrap metal littering practically all of the larger fields, a fair proportion of these otherwise good landings result in the plane not quite being fit for use afterwards...

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Old 22nd Dec 2013, 11:46
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a fair proportion of these landings result in the plane not being fit for use afterwards...
Well, I'd be interested to know the state of that noseleg and the bulkhead it's attached to after being used to plough it's wheels sideways through dense earth.

And the state of the fans blades after shredding all that dust, grit and stone.

Still, a far better result than might have been expected.

And I though Ethiopian were one of Africa's better carriers.
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Old 22nd Dec 2013, 12:32
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There wasn't much dust to speak of as there have been heavy rains lately in the area, so just mud and grass. minimal. The gear etc, engines and systems were all checked the day before it took off again. Ground runs were completed.
They are better than most african airlines, but definately not the best, and in no way deserve "african airline of the year". They also had 2 near mid air collisions with light aircraft departing runway 09 at HTKJ, because in both cases, they called finals rwy 09, and were actually on finals for rwy 27. Some special pilots they have, not knowing their 09 from their 27!
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Old 22nd Dec 2013, 15:01
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I know HTAR and HTKJ well......it beats me how you can even anticipate HTAR being KIA...and aprt from all the NAV aids...there are easy readable moving map displays????
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Old 22nd Dec 2013, 23:01
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ET B767 You have got to be kidding...Safety??! AT ET!???

ET and Safety are total opposites.
If you get close to the ET767 you will see excessive oil leaking out of both engines....as well as the APU. (Hydraulics too?!?)
Carry CAA required fuel at ET....again you have to be kidding...not at ET.
Check to see if they crew was legal to fly within the ET CAA crew and duty regs...ie over 32 hrs in the last 7 rolling days, over 300 hrs in the last 90 days, over 9.5 fight hours in the last 24 hours, over 1000 hrs in the last 12 months....
???? I bet they are not crewed within any of those CAA flight time regulations and also the crew most likely did not have the CAA legal crew rest prior to the flight.
I would suggest that 90 % of all ET flights are not crewed legally and the jet is not air worthy per any BOEING and CAA maint. MEL or dispatch limits.
Check out the oil consumption logs and the recorded oil added at each stop....ie you may very likely find that most of the jets oil consumption logs are rather inaccurate. I saw one B767 there once that had not had any oil recorded added on either engine for the last 48 flights straight.

Did you hear about all the ET de-compressions each year? How about all the engine failures they have each year?

The first of many big problems coming at ET after their crash B737 in Beirut.
Did anyone ever check the CAA legalities of the crew? How about the maint. log book?

Why are they in the Star Alliance?

How could ET possibly have an operating certificate in any country out side of Africa?

How could anyone loan any money to ET for any new multi-million dollar Jets?

How could anyone insure any Jet for ET?

Anyone else have any questions about ET?
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Human Factors

An easy sorting by Accident Investigators PILOT ERROR!

Poor situation awareness.Poor CRM and ineffective Risk Management Model application (if at all) Lack of familiarity with area?? Surely part of the Approach briefing would include "do not mistaken Arusha for Kilimanjaro due to proximity and similar runway orientation"
Obviously a case of too much "heads up" and breach of one of the Golden rules of flying.
Inability to judge visually and differentiate between a 1.6km runway and a 3km runway is not acceptable.Where were there eyes during the approach?
Where was Kili ATC in this confused loop? Don't they have binoculars in Kili tower?
Why didn't the crew raise alarm at not sighting the accident caravan on the runway.
Landed without clearance?
Mistakes happen..even to the most experienced and reliable crew..if fatigued and duty time limits breached!
How to avoid this in future: review duty time limits and airline rosters to safeguard.Legacy airlines are increasingly competing with LCC carriers...and crew rosters are looking increasingly robotic...not ergonomic! TCAA....how about time to install Radar service?All that traffic flowing in and out of TZ should justify it financially. ..

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Old 23rd Dec 2013, 19:38
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In general we can be grateful it was an incident and not an accident but this is a wake up call. How about reverting back to tri- crew cockpit crew as mandatory with the third crew primary function being to monitor the other two! This is particularly so when a training flight is being involved.I KNOW PEOPLE WILL BE SCREAMING THE COST MUSIC THEME...hey Airline Safety is priceless! This is especially so when pilot rosters are pushing the CRM risk emvelope.Even having a junior but rated pilot on the jumpseat is an extra pair of eyes ears and brain...and hopefully with a voice to add to the safety equation!

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Anyone else have any questions about ET?

Yes. What's with the slow walk taxi speed and then lining up for three minutes or so before beginning the take off roll?

Edited to add: Not referring to the Arusha incident, but to pretty much every departure where I've been stuck behind them..

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Old 24th Dec 2013, 05:55
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Prayer that they didn't miss anything this time around and that they live to see the take off and climb away! A fatal crash on take off following the walk away from the landing folly would be a real jinx!
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Angel solid rust twotter

Your unedited version did not specify it is not Arusha but point taken. My personal experience has been to find myself stuck on the runway awaiting completion of before take off checks (after being rushed by ATC to line up and wait) or await ATC reasons or await wake turbulence separation..or perhaps birds at the end of the runway to make their departure.Yes time on active runway should be minimised...BUT...safety first!Don't be in a rush to exit this life!
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Old 24th Dec 2013, 07:54
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Perhaps you need to be there to understand what I'm saying. ET's ground ops run at about half the speed of everyone else.
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Old 24th Dec 2013, 10:28
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Perhaps so..but can you make up your mind? ET specific or are we talking in general? I think you need to pose that at ET ppruners then..they might shine you their taxi lights. I feel their loosely referred to military regimented crew composition might have something to do with it. I coud be entirely wrong ofcourse
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Make up my mind about what? Read what I wrote.
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Old 1st Jan 2014, 08:09
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quality

The quality and skill level of ET pilots is going down the tubes. Back in the days one has to be extremely smart to be considered to be accepted at ET flight school. Now day's it's all tribal and who you know, that's one of the reasons I left ET 10 years ago. I just couldn't stand the clowns they send my way as my FO.
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Old 2nd Jan 2014, 15:20
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Bloody shame, yebegtera. I followed Ethiopian for years on end, esp Y2000 till 2010, and was proud to feel a world class airline was African. So, it's easy to feel the pain when things go this way. Here's hoping they begin to reverse someday
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Old 2nd Jan 2014, 16:14
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ET STANDARDS

Having worked there on 767s recently, I can safely say that in general the pilots at ET both local and Expat, are of a very very high standard.Possibly the highest level of handling skills ive ever seen in 40+ years of airline flying.

The underlying problem is not the erosion of any kind of skills or standards, but due to its very success the airline has a continuous demand for pilots it cannot meet, also has to work its pilots way too hard, causing a continous issue with fatigue that wont go away.This is the real reason we are seeing mistakes.Everyone is too tired to be 100% on the ball all the time.
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I was booked BKK-DAR with ET this year.. was excited to see what this world-class airline is all about... but the second i got on board, it already felt like i was in 3rd world Africa... the seat row letters didn't correspond with ticket letters... the headphones were the same ones you'd get on flights in the 80s, where YOU had to put the foam earcovers on the frame before using them... i had to pilfer thru 5 seatbacks til I found a pair that weren't cracked or the audio worked. The entertainment system would be awesome if you lived in the 80s. I know we are spoiled nowadays but can't believe how little i got for how much i paid ET... compared to other airlines that actually are world-class. ET having great pilot training isn't a reason why pilots normally want to join an airline, that's a given... but having a decent schedule is what pilots look for when applying at world-class airlines... like Emirates/Qatar.
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So it seems ET pilots are not the only ones that lands in the wrong airport these days. Its catching on. Interesting to see what those that were castigating ET and their pilots have to say about the Southwest incident.
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