Ethiopian 767 Lands Arusha
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No train smash to get out of Arusha....
Ok with 1620mts early morning takeoff say 25deg max Flaps 20 minumum fuel (say around 9500lbs) should give you around 1450mts ground roll give or take 50mts - So I don't see a big problem here - * Remember the take off graphs are designed to include an engine loss at V1 and subsequent acceleration to Vr*
Ps The aircraft was leased to Ethiopian since 3 months to replace "Temporarily" the 787 while Boeing makes repairs.
Ps The aircraft was leased to Ethiopian since 3 months to replace "Temporarily" the 787 while Boeing makes repairs.
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Some reports on internet now suggest the aircraft had enough fuel. The Cessna Caravan blocked the 09 part of runway at Kilimanjaro. Intention was to land at 27 at Kili. However due to miscommunication between cockpit crew and ATC aircraft landed at runway 27 at Arusha instead.
Below a report of a passenger who was on the plane taken from
Ethiopian B767 in unscheduled landing at Arusha Airport | Wolfgang H. Thome's Blog
Below a report of a passenger who was on the plane taken from
Ethiopian B767 in unscheduled landing at Arusha Airport | Wolfgang H. Thome's Blog
I was on it. We thought we were coming into Kilimanjaro for the landing, what seemed to be bad turbulence and surging on and off of the engines while still at altitude, very rough landing, pulled up metres short of the runway onto the grass. We were told very little, crew were not in control of the situation following landing. Stuck in the plane for 3.5 hrs because they were bringing stairs for disembarkment from Kilimanjaro. Eventually opened the emergency slide after much discontent in board. Crew were poor, but all thanks to the pilots for getting us down under the conditions. No injuries. Plane was unmarked (ie, no Ethiopian emblems), people had seat allocations for seats not even existent on that particular plane, told to wait to find an alternative seat once the plane was fully boarded. Fingers crossed for the next flight. Again, all credit to the pilots. Sorry for te long update!
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767 Arusha
Aircraft was scheduled to land in Kilimanjaro rw09 however a Cessna caravan had blocked the run awe at position w the 767 was offered rw 27 which would have given him a safe landing distance he then made a wide circuit approached and landed at Arusha he managed to stop safely witching the short runway length however having realised he had landed on the wrong airfield decided to back track an take off on turn around his nose became embedded in the mud..
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Just to answer 4runner nope you can't taxi a caravan clear with a flat tyre ( happened to me in znz) it simply won't work and the aircraft grinds to a halt and unfortunately there is no equipment to move them. Second point about the tyres I think the problem is the hammering they take out on the unprepared bush strips all the arusha pilots will tell you about kogatende airstrip which is a nightmare! Try and get the national parks or CAATZ to fix this and you will get big deaf ears! There are also a couple of very dubious operators that probably let the tyres get below acceptable levels of wear! Ź
Thank god for the mud, if that is the case....
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Okay to add fuel to the verbal fire...
Caravan's in this neck of the woods definitely have a problem with bursting tyres. One operator is convinced that Cessna were selling dud left-hand tyres because it was always that side - just before first left - that blew. Some people's normal SOPs are to approach at 600lbs torque, +100kts, fly to the ground for a positive landing, beta, brake and turn off the runway. It makes perfect sense that the left tyre would therefore be suspect - nothing to do with the excessive braking and loads on that side!
And going back to Mail-man.. I'm fascinated that airlines don't have to follow the requirement for alternate fuel. So what does the despatcher put in the alternate and 2nd alternate airports? "Not required"? I've been through the FAR/AIM and all I can find is the phrase (rehashed in various formats) that requires fuel to destination and either 45 minutes to alternate, or 10% of total time from destination to origination, and 30 minutes of holding fuel etc. I can see a sort of warped logic in European/US ops where if the destination is fogged over, you can probably hop next door to somewhere that isn't, but it obviously doesn't apply in the Third World where airports can be a wee while apart - such as Kili to JK.
Lastly, it seems unlikely that loads between Addis & Kili (a well-known busy route?) were at capacity, so with only a mere 725 nm between them, the fuel load can't have been that much in a 767 - with no fuel reserve?
Or was it an official plan to use Arusha as the alternate? Or not?
Caravan's in this neck of the woods definitely have a problem with bursting tyres. One operator is convinced that Cessna were selling dud left-hand tyres because it was always that side - just before first left - that blew. Some people's normal SOPs are to approach at 600lbs torque, +100kts, fly to the ground for a positive landing, beta, brake and turn off the runway. It makes perfect sense that the left tyre would therefore be suspect - nothing to do with the excessive braking and loads on that side!
And going back to Mail-man.. I'm fascinated that airlines don't have to follow the requirement for alternate fuel. So what does the despatcher put in the alternate and 2nd alternate airports? "Not required"? I've been through the FAR/AIM and all I can find is the phrase (rehashed in various formats) that requires fuel to destination and either 45 minutes to alternate, or 10% of total time from destination to origination, and 30 minutes of holding fuel etc. I can see a sort of warped logic in European/US ops where if the destination is fogged over, you can probably hop next door to somewhere that isn't, but it obviously doesn't apply in the Third World where airports can be a wee while apart - such as Kili to JK.
Lastly, it seems unlikely that loads between Addis & Kili (a well-known busy route?) were at capacity, so with only a mere 725 nm between them, the fuel load can't have been that much in a 767 - with no fuel reserve?
Or was it an official plan to use Arusha as the alternate? Or not?
Foxcotte, I'm talking Australia. No legislative requirement for an alternate providing weather, nav aids, facilities tick the boxes (single runway airports not even mentioned). I'm not saying its a good system (see pelair westwind ditch, qantas/virgin mildura diversion) but that's how it is.
From a reread of your post your fuel planning rules arent that different. Flight fuel +10% +fixed reserve????
From a reread of your post your fuel planning rules arent that different. Flight fuel +10% +fixed reserve????
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I was quoting (roughly I admit) from the FAR regs on fuel reserves. Out here in the Third World, I'm not going to any questionable airport (by which I pretty much include ALL airports) without first having enough fuel to get out again in case of...
a) Vans with notorious left tyre blow outs
b) Coups
c) Fighting on the runway
d) Non-existent fuel supplies
e) Bowsers that don't have appropriate over/under wing hoses
f) Bank notes/credit cards/carnets that aren't accepted
g) paperwork that doesn't have the I's dotted, and the T's crossed in quintuplicate
h) failed nav/ILS/ATC
i) departing (permanently or otherwise) presidents and other dignatories
j) weather to minimums
k) flooding/heatwave/dust-storm/locusts/birds or game!!
Wherever I go, I want to be sure I can also go somewhere else - just in case.
a) Vans with notorious left tyre blow outs
b) Coups
c) Fighting on the runway
d) Non-existent fuel supplies
e) Bowsers that don't have appropriate over/under wing hoses
f) Bank notes/credit cards/carnets that aren't accepted
g) paperwork that doesn't have the I's dotted, and the T's crossed in quintuplicate
h) failed nav/ILS/ATC
i) departing (permanently or otherwise) presidents and other dignatories
j) weather to minimums
k) flooding/heatwave/dust-storm/locusts/birds or game!!
Wherever I go, I want to be sure I can also go somewhere else - just in case.
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Foxcotte - Cessna is aware of the problem.....
Interesting you mentioned the left main burst tire problem on the Caravan - Cessna also have an on-going investigation into this phenomena......so far there seems to be a correlation between the four turning forces acting on an aircraft - (1) torque reaction of the engine and propeller, (2) the propeller's gyroscopic effect, (3) the corkscrewing effect of the propeller slipstream, and (4) the asymmetrical loading of the propeller AND the manner in which power is reduced in the flare. Strangely enough burst tires occur just as often on long asphalt runways as they do on bush/gravel runways and the theory is that pilots tend perform flatter approaches with prolonged flares and “Chop” the power on long runways resulting in an rapid decrease of these four LEFT turning tendencies i.e. the aircraft turns right requiring a rapid LEFT rudder input to maintain the centerline. In doing so it is ASSUMED that either partial brake may be applied OR a momentary side load applied to the tire resulting in failure. The recommended NORMAL procedure for any aircraft especially single engine ones that require high power settings in the landing configuration is to slowly bring the power lever to idle during the flare. Some comments/suggestions from current Van drivers welcome as it has been more than a decade since I flew the plane.
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Foxcotte, i could not have put it better myself! i ALWAYS carry enough to go somewhere else. I cannot count the number of times I have got to destination, weather cavok but still couldnt get in for..whatever reason
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I think the Drama of this B767 will be over tomorrow early in the morning when the Temperatures are low enough for Takeoff. An Expert Pilot from Ethiopia has been flown in to do the job. This is gonna be interesting for People who will be timely at the Airport to Witness another Historical event
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Well said Mobotu
As a Training Captain on the Vans, I have to agree with you 100% on the forces causing left main flat tires. And I must admit that most of them happen on asphalt/tar runways, at least 90% of what I have seen so far in Tanzania. Thanks for educating us
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I can't wait to know the experience of the Captain and if possible FO as well who brought this 767 at Arusha Airport safely. I'm suspecting that this Captain is a Training Captain since most of the confusions like this happen when you have a trainee on board. Anybody with this info out there? Will appreciate.
Thanks.
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ARUSHA AIRPORT
When i visited the airport for the last time last year in my PROJECT when i was in high school, The manager told us that the runway is not able to sustain heavy aircraft, only small caravans and ATRs are able to land at that time untill further expansion but i was so surprise that event, it means the PILOT run out fuel, or their flight plan they file indicates that Arusha was their alternate destination? actually its amazing for me?????
I think the Drama of this B767 will be over tomorrow early in the morning when the Temperatures are low enough for Takeoff. An Expert Pilot from Ethiopia has been flown in to do the job. This is gonna be interesting for People who will be timely at the Airport to Witness another Historical event
Photos surfacing of it being back on terra firma...
http://bit.ly/1i6pA0Q
It appears to be confirmed now that there was no emergency, it was the simple case of mixing up two similarly aligned runways and not bothering to cross-check. Happened before, one not so long ago...
It gives a good indication of the cockpit mindset that after stopping at the end of the runway and realizing their mistake, they attempted to turn a 76 around on the grass...
http://bit.ly/1i6pA0Q
It appears to be confirmed now that there was no emergency, it was the simple case of mixing up two similarly aligned runways and not bothering to cross-check. Happened before, one not so long ago...
It gives a good indication of the cockpit mindset that after stopping at the end of the runway and realizing their mistake, they attempted to turn a 76 around on the grass...
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Does the B767 also have slides that deploy from the body of fuselage in the over wing area? Meaning if these slides were deployed, there would have to be some maintenance procedures carried out in closing up the holes left with the body slides at the L3 R3 doors?
I saw the pictures, but they have been removed now from the FB link
The Facebook page of Regional Air Tanzania has many photos.
https://www.facebook.com/RegionalAirTanzania
https://www.facebook.com/RegionalAirTanzania