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Mango is legally required to publish its financial statements – for first time since carrier’s inception six years ago – due to recent demise of South African carriers
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Internally in South Africa.
Mainly the Joburg-Durban-Cape Town 'golden triangle'.
How they financed/are financing their 737-800s is the BIG question. The A/C were SAA property and suddenly re-badged.
I see from Flymango.com - Mobile that they have added Joburg to Port Elizabeth.
Internally in South Africa.
Mainly the Joburg-Durban-Cape Town 'golden triangle'.
How they financed/are financing their 737-800s is the BIG question. The A/C were SAA property and suddenly re-badged.
I see from Flymango.com - Mobile that they have added Joburg to Port Elizabeth.
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MANGO is a subsidiary of SOUTH AFRICAN AIRWAYS.
It has its own management and CEO (MR Nico Bezuidenhout)
Mango are currently leasing all of their -800s from SAA . Apparently 2 more are on the way (to be leased from SAFAIR)
Mango employees (pilots included) are not on the same C.O.S as SAA employees !
Totally seperate run entities apparently !
It has its own management and CEO (MR Nico Bezuidenhout)
Mango are currently leasing all of their -800s from SAA . Apparently 2 more are on the way (to be leased from SAFAIR)
Mango employees (pilots included) are not on the same C.O.S as SAA employees !
Totally seperate run entities apparently !
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....which brings us, in a roundabout way, to the OP's point. Since they are separate entities, both SOE's, they are required by law to publish their financial results which they of course, in the spirit of arrogance (or incompetence, or a mix of both) common to most state owned enterprises, have not been doing. Their CEO, in a blatant display of ignorance then challenged Comair (who again asked for these details) with a playground style riposte of 'we'll show you ours if you show us yours ie Kulula's first'. Comairs CEO rightfully told Nico B to 'get knotted, as any idiot knows Kulula isn't a separate business entity so thus doesn't need to do that - we comply in all respects with what is needed from a listed company, whereas you on the other hand are made of pure distilled essence of failure, so go and take a hike'. Actually he didn't quite put it like that, but you get the gist.
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I flew to CPT with Mango yesterday. Their service is professional and light years ahead of Kulula's service.Kulula's idiotic Boksburg humor does not do the trick any longer.Mango's Wi-Fi is absolutely awesome. Mango is always loaded to the brim.My opinion is that they must be making money. They are running a very tight ship and they are always on time.SAA should take some notes...
Comair has sand in their vagina about Mango,however they should rather stop moaning and pay attention to their service for obvious reasons. I do not care about financial statements, just give me a cheap ticket!!
Moral of the story...
Do not work for the Jews !!!!
Comair has sand in their vagina about Mango,however they should rather stop moaning and pay attention to their service for obvious reasons. I do not care about financial statements, just give me a cheap ticket!!
Moral of the story...
Do not work for the Jews !!!!
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Mango is on time cause they have a huge spares inventory to draw from !!!
Technical delays are kept to a minimum because SAA technical has well stocked out stations !
Mango will NEVER survive if it didnt have support from SAA.
This is not a level playing field so don't fool yourself.
Technical delays are kept to a minimum because SAA technical has well stocked out stations !
Mango will NEVER survive if it didnt have support from SAA.
This is not a level playing field so don't fool yourself.
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Mango did not make any money last year, they lost a bucket load, earning their place in the trifecta of disgrace along side SAA and SAX.
That said, in the land of SOE's (State Owned Enterpises) Mango may well be king. When you only have to do better than SABC, Escom, Denel, Transnet, etc its easy to look good. TIA.
Cry the beloved country.
That said, in the land of SOE's (State Owned Enterpises) Mango may well be king. When you only have to do better than SABC, Escom, Denel, Transnet, etc its easy to look good. TIA.
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I flew to CPT with Mango yesterday. Their service is professional and light years ahead of Kulula's service.Kulula's idiotic Boksburg humor does not do the trick any longer.
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I had to laugh at TT's post he seems oblivious to what's going on in the real world and his last comment just put the cherry on top. It's all about yield at the end of the day, you can fill a plane to the brim but if you sold those tickets for R100 each( extreme example I know) you aint making money. Which brings me to my next point, why are Mango tickets cheaper than the rest. Well simply put Mango is heavily subsidised with no incentive to turn profit. Why was Mango even launched in the first place, the answer is to get rid of competitors, and so far they have succeeded with Velvet Sky and 1time and I guess Comair is next in their sights. I mean which company in the real world ie SAA launches another company( Mango) to compete directly with it. It makes absolutely no sense at all but then again you are dealing with an the government so it doesn't need to make sense I guess. I agree with ghost rider, Mango would never survive without big brother, who in turn would never survive without us tax payers. As for the technical delays being minimal due to well stocked outstations I'm not so sure, don't SAA Technical do the line maintenance for Comair. Is there perhaps favouritism towards SAA and Mango, well that wouldn't surprise me in the least. I'm all for cheap air tickets but to get them at the expense of privately run airlines is just not right. My 2 cents worth.
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Cue Ball , I used to fly for Comair and from what I gathered .......the Comair technical guys stipulated their own spares inventory at each out station.
Very sparse inventory from what I remember! This was done to keep costs minimal !
So even though SAA technical did their turn-rounds , SAA Tech had to get prior permission from Comair management before they used a spare that was not part of Comairs inventory.
Mango on the other hand has free rein !!!
Very sparse inventory from what I remember! This was done to keep costs minimal !
So even though SAA technical did their turn-rounds , SAA Tech had to get prior permission from Comair management before they used a spare that was not part of Comairs inventory.
Mango on the other hand has free rein !!!
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Very good points Cueball.
One thing I do not understand: does anyone seriously believe that bitching about Mango or SAA is going to change the status quo?
I am happy that Mango at least still offers white pilots a great opportunity for employment. Just a pity they're not private.
One thing I do not understand: does anyone seriously believe that bitching about Mango or SAA is going to change the status quo?
I am happy that Mango at least still offers white pilots a great opportunity for employment. Just a pity they're not private.
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Well....it's not that great......witness the near-strike over salaries recently averted, and...well.....the uniform. It's...I don't know how to put this....orange. Very, very orange. 
Seriously though, I would also wish them only the best IF they were private - another work opportunity for pilots in SA with nice aircraft to fly, another opportunity for competition with resultant better options for passengers thus opening up the skies for more of the traveling public, competition to offer services (who knows, they may have forced the way for airbourne wifi in SA), etc etc -all of this is good. But I'm making the assumption that market competition is good. As things stand, I fear the destructive nature of the airline industry in South Africa. It's not sustainable in the very long term, unless your long term goal is 'one airline for SA', which then forgoes all the above advantages.
IMHO, it should be a simple chain of logic: Do you want only one company to service the skies of SA - Yes/No. The rest follows from your answer to that. It's not a rhetorical question. There are probably those here who would answer 'Yes'. But then I would assume they know they advocate the elimination of free market competition.
Seriously though, I would also wish them only the best IF they were private - another work opportunity for pilots in SA with nice aircraft to fly, another opportunity for competition with resultant better options for passengers thus opening up the skies for more of the traveling public, competition to offer services (who knows, they may have forced the way for airbourne wifi in SA), etc etc -all of this is good. But I'm making the assumption that market competition is good. As things stand, I fear the destructive nature of the airline industry in South Africa. It's not sustainable in the very long term, unless your long term goal is 'one airline for SA', which then forgoes all the above advantages.
IMHO, it should be a simple chain of logic: Do you want only one company to service the skies of SA - Yes/No. The rest follows from your answer to that. It's not a rhetorical question. There are probably those here who would answer 'Yes'. But then I would assume they know they advocate the elimination of free market competition.
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"I am happy that Mango at least still offers white pilots a great opportunity for employment. Just a pity they're not private."
Artrides SAA employ white pilots. Don't believe the useless press reports.
Ask one of your mates at SAA to show you the latest seniority list !
Artrides SAA employ white pilots. Don't believe the useless press reports.
Ask one of your mates at SAA to show you the latest seniority list !
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Since 1Time is no more I would like to support Kulula in the domestic airline market. My issue however is that Kulula do not seem to have the ability to depart on time ever in my experience traveling with them and their ticket prices are not what I would expect from a low cost carrier to charge. Mango is cheap, on time , professional and gets my business!
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