British pilot in prison in Central African Republic

[sAx_R54]

Certainly agree with you on that point. Best to ignore!

[sAx_R54]

@A4

Your comment (sAx_R54) "... if you can actually read...." rather demeans YOU.

"...actually read...." does not demean me. 'Offensive' demeans us ALL!

[A4]

sAx - I think you have taken offence when none was intended or meant. It is a simple misunderstanding. However, sarcastically questioning whether someone "can actually read" is not offensive? Are you not belittling that person if they cannot read - perhaps because they are not educated? Sounds a bit arrogant to me.

[sAx_R54]

@A4

I must have missed something! An intelligent uneducated Xhosa maid is a factual accurate account that 'clearly' you have some ability to corroborate, but 'if can you actually read' is offensive!

Perhaps my ability to split hairs is not a match for your own.

[A4]

If you actually read my post (that is if you can actually read), you will see that I .....

You don't see the irony in the above quote from your post? Anyway, I'm not quite sure why I got involved in this. I just think, perhaps incorrectly, that there are far too many people in this world who actively seek out offence / perceived non-PC "crimes" and then can't wait to go off on one much to the bemusement of most on lookers.

[sAx_R54]

@A4

Agreed!

However for avoidance of doubt the context that you mis-understood was this:

I take you are trying to imply that because I referred to her as uneducated (which she was, albeit through no fault of her own) you are labelling me as 'arrogant'.

As had only agreed with the sentiment of the poster who raised the term arrogant, it was legitimate for me to question the ability of the poster to read, who pointed such towards me!

[hval]

sAx_R54,

And you don't consider your initial comment (posted below) to be rude?

@Tableview Said the, Quote:but uneducated Xhosa 'maid' To the unintelligent but 'educated' non-Xhosa footman?

[500N]

"I referred to her as uneducated (which she was, albeit through no fault of her own)"

Uneducated in your eyes and your world and that is because she has come into our world.

If you or I went to live in the bush with Masai or some other hunter gatherers or the trackers who help on these Safari's to track game that you and I can't, then you and I become the uneducated.

Education is relative to your environment.

[Basil]

A4, see your 16 and raise to 15
You're right about some comment here, although I quite enjoy observing the PC left foaming at the mouth as they attempt to put 'incriminating' words into other people's.

[Max Angle]

I read a report that quoted Mr Simpson as saying he wants to stay and carry on working once this is all over but "don't tell my Mother". Don't suppose he is reading this but my advice to you old chap is get the hell out as soon as you can in case someone changes their mind. If it were me I would be putting distance between me and West Africa at .84 as soon as I was able.

[FERetd]

Educated or Skilled?

500N Quote:- "If you or I went to live in the bush with Masai or some other hunter gatherers or the trackers who help on these Safari's to track game that you and I can't, then you and I become the uneducated.
Education is relative to your environment"

I would suggest that the hunter/gatherers and trackers to which you refer possess a skill which they employ in their respective fields. They may, of course be educated to a greater or lesser degree and be content with their lot.

But one thing is certain, without an education, one's choices are severely limited regardless of one's ambitions. And the better the education the better the options in life. It is possible to be a well educated tracker, if that is one's want. But it is not possible to be an uneducated doctor, lawyer, pilot architect etc. etc.

It is a sad fact that in the developing world populations are increasing faster than they can be educated and even if they could all be educated, where would they find employment?

[500N]

FERetd

That is a very white educated way of looking at being educated.

The "skill" as you say has been taught to them so in
their field they are educated.


"and even if they could all be educated, where would they find employment?"

How about creating industries that create work / jobs / employment
just like some have already done ie Fresh flowers grown in Africa and
flown to Europe each day or week - an industry that creates jobs / work for pilots !

.

[FERetd]

Thanks

500N Quote " That is a very white educated way of looking at being educated."


Thank you .

I am not a hunter gatherer nor a tracker but am reasonably well educated. I would suggest that I have also earned a lot more money than have your hunter/gatherers and trackers. I have also been able to provide for my family and educate my children. I would not have been able to do this had I not been "educated".

I find your comments to be racist.

No where have I mentioned black/brown/ yellow or any other skin colour.

My remarks about education apply equally to anyone of any colour and anywhere.

As for your statement "How about creating industries that create work / jobs / employment
just like some have already done ie Fresh flowers grown in Africa and
flown to Europe each day or week - an industry that creates jobs / work for pilots !" - I have am amazed at your naievity and ignorance.

Wake up, your coffee is cold!

[Doodlebug]

SaxR54, Tableview was being complimentary by describing his employee as intelligent, albeit uneducated. You confirmed as much with your attempt at deriding him by labelling him the opposite! You are fabricating offence, and then immediately follow up with insults, cloaked in anonymity. What for? Why the aggression, particularly such completely unreasonable aggression? Not trying to go to war with you, just trying to point out that Tableview was certainly not out of line in any manner and that you are portraying yourself in an extremely unflattering manner. Perhaps you misunderstood him?

[sAx_R54]

@Doodlebug.

Thanks for your arbitration of what was meant and what was not meant! I am now much wiser on the relevance to this thread of the grandmother suggesting that Africa is the best place for the white-man to live and that 'compliment' for the very intelligent, but uneducated (through no fault of her own) Xhosa 'maid'.

Was this part of the bail package to free the pilot?

PS The only anonymity is those of you who hide behind pseudonyms so that you can proselytize racist views on this forum. If indeed you are so brave, why not submit them to the Cape Times with your name and address attached? Now that would be a test of intelligence wouldn't it?

[Basil]

those of you who hide behind pseudonyms so that you can proselytize racist views on this forum

Well, who are you? Are you a professional pilot?
Ah, yes, I know: the self appointed superhero defending big black guys against filthy white bigots. Last I noticed, they're perfectly capable of defending themselves.
Anyway, you automatically lose the argument when you accuse someone of racism - bye-bye.

[SloppyJoe]

The only racist undertones seem to be from you sAx_R54.

[Basil]

SloppyJoe, I see you're from HK.
He sounds like your very own Air Profit

[mostlylurking]

Please stop fighting with sAx R54 - He can't help it.
A quick look at his posting history shows that he considers himself (rather patronisingly) as a defender of the 'weak'.
I think the clinical name for this is 'white man's guilt': sort of whiplash from the 'white man's burden' of his ancestors.
A few other characteristics are:
His favourite word is Arrogance - he uses it in virtually every thread.
He likes to comment on subjects of which he knows nothing.
He has p'd many others off.

Never argue with a fool -Mark Twain

[Tableview]

Never argue with a fool -Mark Twain

... which is precisely why I, as the author of the 'racist and arrogant' remark that brought these defenders of the weak crawling out of the woodwork, have stayed out of the ensuing discussion. It's pointless.