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737 sim screen
Any constructive pointers on previous DEP's sim detail? It would be nice to demystify it.Is it identical for Captains as for FOs?.
If you have not done the sim screen or not rated on the 737 sim it would e better to be moderate about any inputs please.
If you have not done the sim screen or not rated on the 737 sim it would e better to be moderate about any inputs please.
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Seems the DEP's are quite mean with regards to sharing any info, surely out of the 30 plus who have been through the Sim screening, non has anything to say on this forum? Maybe that's why the AB initios have a higher success rate through their screening than the direct entry's. They do share allot .
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Did 30 DEP guys make it to SIM screening during this last interview process ?
30 is a huge number - please confirm.
Has SIM screening even been done for DEP with less than 2700hrs ? I doubt it ...
I'm aware the more experienced DEPs with 2700hrs plus did theirs about two weeks ago ... actually that's the last time "some movement by KA" was reported ....
30 is a huge number - please confirm.
Has SIM screening even been done for DEP with less than 2700hrs ? I doubt it ...
I'm aware the more experienced DEPs with 2700hrs plus did theirs about two weeks ago ... actually that's the last time "some movement by KA" was reported ....
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@Pilot Breezy
There is a clear difference between saying "they have not done" and "they are not required to do".
I ASKED if "SIM screening had been done for DEP with less than 2700hrs".
I did NOT say that they will not be required to go through SIM screening ... it was a question (has it already taken place or not) ....
I now hear that they have ..... things have really gone quiet.
I ASKED if "SIM screening had been done for DEP with less than 2700hrs".
I did NOT say that they will not be required to go through SIM screening ... it was a question (has it already taken place or not) ....
I now hear that they have ..... things have really gone quiet.
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March intake
Hey vijana.
Let's break the ghoulish silence I here!
Here is the research I came with:
Intake 200 pipo!
Flt sim screen done.Awaiting final decision and assimilation into KQ..due to the huge batch expect next intake to delay till June even.
Simware:
A) for non experienced (non ATPL holders and <2700 hours)...IRT Rt1 (which I believe on a 73NG is a challenge even to rated Pilots due to excess perfomance vs Route distance and FL)
B)For experienced: Take off from DAR.Intercept QDR and QDM and return to DV and hold,then ILS.Asymetric Approach and S.E. GA.
8) Alternately..Departure out of Kilimanjaro...beware of Arusha next door..and don't fall in the disorientation trap that caught Ethiopian B7687 the other day! Also beware of Terrain!
40 minute pre sim brief.
Anyone with further details and correct version of the above...please advise...you won't be labeled a KQ pariah!
Let's break the ghoulish silence I here!
Here is the research I came with:
Intake 200 pipo!
Flt sim screen done.Awaiting final decision and assimilation into KQ..due to the huge batch expect next intake to delay till June even.
Simware:
A) for non experienced (non ATPL holders and <2700 hours)...IRT Rt1 (which I believe on a 73NG is a challenge even to rated Pilots due to excess perfomance vs Route distance and FL)
B)For experienced: Take off from DAR.Intercept QDR and QDM and return to DV and hold,then ILS.Asymetric Approach and S.E. GA.
8) Alternately..Departure out of Kilimanjaro...beware of Arusha next door..and don't fall in the disorientation trap that caught Ethiopian B7687 the other day! Also beware of Terrain!
40 minute pre sim brief.
Anyone with further details and correct version of the above...please advise...you won't be labeled a KQ pariah!
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@Trackdiamond
What exactly do you mean when you say intake "200 people" ?
I understand that about 30 DEPs guys made it to SIM screening. Orals yet to be done...meaning a further 15 might be shed off (from SIM screening & Orals).....
Can KA really have an intake of 200 DEPs ?
The numbers with CPL (ME-IR) are there but there's the "giant slayer" hurdles like hours, KCSE grades, height, aptitude, psychometrics, psychomotor, medicals, SIM test, orals .... but this is just the beginning .......there are internal exams and check outs.
In the SIM screening stage, is Instrument route 1 from JKIA or Wilson ?
I understand that about 30 DEPs guys made it to SIM screening. Orals yet to be done...meaning a further 15 might be shed off (from SIM screening & Orals).....
Can KA really have an intake of 200 DEPs ?
The numbers with CPL (ME-IR) are there but there's the "giant slayer" hurdles like hours, KCSE grades, height, aptitude, psychometrics, psychomotor, medicals, SIM test, orals .... but this is just the beginning .......there are internal exams and check outs.
In the SIM screening stage, is Instrument route 1 from JKIA or Wilson ?
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Hey dude..this is a rumours network forum..not CIA.
The figure 200 was the combined abinitio plus DEP(both Cap and FOs).The figure is credible that is why there will be a delay in the next intake perhaps close to June after assimilating the succewssful candidates of the present batch.
Bow if you have any further wry remarks..take em to KQ HR..they might shed some further light!
And...your last question is interesting...I assume you are a pilot?? I mean heyy..Boeing 738..cleared from Wilson Instrument route 1 Fl100..that's gonna attract a few spectators behind RW14!
The figure 200 was the combined abinitio plus DEP(both Cap and FOs).The figure is credible that is why there will be a delay in the next intake perhaps close to June after assimilating the succewssful candidates of the present batch.
Bow if you have any further wry remarks..take em to KQ HR..they might shed some further light!
And...your last question is interesting...I assume you are a pilot?? I mean heyy..Boeing 738..cleared from Wilson Instrument route 1 Fl100..that's gonna attract a few spectators behind RW14!
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pilot breezy...A350
Cheers mate!
I wish they did consider A350...but then again KQ's fleet planning is more political than being a fully fledged department.I used to do Fleet Planning agaes back and I think KQ has signed sime kind of Memorandum of understanding with Boeing specifically not to purchase Airbus (after doing away with their A310/300 fleet in early year 2000s..this way KQ stands to gain on their Boeing acquisitions.We haven't heard KQ raise a finger of complaint about B787 issues..don't want to upset its American buddies...and wha of the American traffic right slots promised to KQ on buying Boeing..or was it just a figment of rumour...I supose after the JKIA Arrival disaster..it relegates ststus iof JKIA even further down the list in terms of security..and destination USA has become even more elusive eh?
If I was fleet planning at KQ I would definitely consider getting rid of E jets and replacing them with 318/19 and look at A350 for the long haul.Putting all eggs on Boeing Basket is risky and not sensible for operational flexibility.For low cost carrier having an identical fleet is better for economies of scale and uniformity of operation.
I wish they did consider A350...but then again KQ's fleet planning is more political than being a fully fledged department.I used to do Fleet Planning agaes back and I think KQ has signed sime kind of Memorandum of understanding with Boeing specifically not to purchase Airbus (after doing away with their A310/300 fleet in early year 2000s..this way KQ stands to gain on their Boeing acquisitions.We haven't heard KQ raise a finger of complaint about B787 issues..don't want to upset its American buddies...and wha of the American traffic right slots promised to KQ on buying Boeing..or was it just a figment of rumour...I supose after the JKIA Arrival disaster..it relegates ststus iof JKIA even further down the list in terms of security..and destination USA has become even more elusive eh?
If I was fleet planning at KQ I would definitely consider getting rid of E jets and replacing them with 318/19 and look at A350 for the long haul.Putting all eggs on Boeing Basket is risky and not sensible for operational flexibility.For low cost carrier having an identical fleet is better for economies of scale and uniformity of operation.
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200 guys!!! Now. does anyone know the share of DEPs and cadets in that number?
About Airbus and Boeing, I think Kq quit Airbus after the Abidjan A310 crash, when Airbus was blaming it on pilot error, and Kq was of the opinion that it was equipment failure, something to do with stick shaker.
About Airbus and Boeing, I think Kq quit Airbus after the Abidjan A310 crash, when Airbus was blaming it on pilot error, and Kq was of the opinion that it was equipment failure, something to do with stick shaker.
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Pilot Breezy-USA isssue
Well P.B...correct Boeing doesn't accord Traffic rights.I was involved in Airline Planning in the past and so apologies if I gave that impression.Neither does FAA.It is between Nations and their Transport Ministries..under which FAA and KCAA fall under. Boeing howver has clout (and is a driver of USA Economy in terms of International Trade.Boeing has considerable lobby power to accord traffic rights to its preferred customers and that was why I mentioned what I said earlier whih you understood as Boeing having the right to accord Traffic Rights.I hope its clearr now.
I am a trained Airbus Pilot and I still can not fathom why K.A. is so averse to a proven product with bags of economic benefits such the Airbus Fly by wire family.It can only be a political aversion.K.A. was Airbus flavoured in its earlier days when B707s were being phased out in the 80s-2000s. As a Fleet Planner I would be risk averse to relying too much on anyone manufacturer.I personally believe the A350 will turn out to be a better product than B787 as it will have gained an advantage by learning the 787 shortcomings and ensure it is not launched with similar embarassments.It will also have learnt to reaolve issues from it technological Big Sister A380 as there will inevitably be some techno transfers to effect asirbus commonality.
A strange thing has caught my eye.Have you noticed Emirates flying A340s to Nairobi lately?Strange assignment for an A340-500 normally on longer haul routes requiring ETOPS exemptions perhaps.They belong to Boeng(on lease)..Boeing does that to compensate for late fleet deliveries etc..they were ex SIA.Boeing actually bought them off SIA so they can sell Boeing planes to them.That is how political the business of buying BIG Jets is!
I am a trained Airbus Pilot and I still can not fathom why K.A. is so averse to a proven product with bags of economic benefits such the Airbus Fly by wire family.It can only be a political aversion.K.A. was Airbus flavoured in its earlier days when B707s were being phased out in the 80s-2000s. As a Fleet Planner I would be risk averse to relying too much on anyone manufacturer.I personally believe the A350 will turn out to be a better product than B787 as it will have gained an advantage by learning the 787 shortcomings and ensure it is not launched with similar embarassments.It will also have learnt to reaolve issues from it technological Big Sister A380 as there will inevitably be some techno transfers to effect asirbus commonality.
A strange thing has caught my eye.Have you noticed Emirates flying A340s to Nairobi lately?Strange assignment for an A340-500 normally on longer haul routes requiring ETOPS exemptions perhaps.They belong to Boeng(on lease)..Boeing does that to compensate for late fleet deliveries etc..they were ex SIA.Boeing actually bought them off SIA so they can sell Boeing planes to them.That is how political the business of buying BIG Jets is!
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Hey guys, 200 must have been at the beginning during aptitude. As far as I know (my two cents worth) the DEP guys numbered btwn 24-30 before the flight test. I don't know how many passed and await the panel.
The other thing is as long as you have a CPL/MULTI-IR (requirement for DEP from the word go) you WILL sit the flight test in the B738 simulator and will be expected to fly an approach into an airport of the examiner's choice, thereafter a single engine approach of the said above. If you have experience on the B738, then your test will go a little bit further and will be critically watched as to how you handle the aircraft.
The >2700hr advantage only allows you to skip the aptitude stage and on to psychometric.
The other thing is as long as you have a CPL/MULTI-IR (requirement for DEP from the word go) you WILL sit the flight test in the B738 simulator and will be expected to fly an approach into an airport of the examiner's choice, thereafter a single engine approach of the said above. If you have experience on the B738, then your test will go a little bit further and will be critically watched as to how you handle the aircraft.
The >2700hr advantage only allows you to skip the aptitude stage and on to psychometric.
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Hey GG..this is s Rumours site..not an Auditor's union.Do your own homework..and don't fall in the habit of cutting and poasting other people's comments on to other threads.You will be frowned upon.You can by all means refer people to a a thread for any info you wish to make reference. You may also PM to make an enquiry and provided you are polite enough you might be responded to.
I will reiterate for the last time.The 200 is a combined figure of both Abs and DEP dating back to a backlog last year.Now stop obsessing with intake numbers and learn from the tips on how to get through! Why are you so worried about the 200 mate?Competition jitters??
And hey...GG...if in your limited view you reckon a rumour is not credible why go and cross post it?Do read the author's background and their posts to know what kind of info the said author is capable of posting before trying to didminsh their credibility.Is that clear?
I will reiterate for the last time.The 200 is a combined figure of both Abs and DEP dating back to a backlog last year.Now stop obsessing with intake numbers and learn from the tips on how to get through! Why are you so worried about the 200 mate?Competition jitters??
And hey...GG...if in your limited view you reckon a rumour is not credible why go and cross post it?Do read the author's background and their posts to know what kind of info the said author is capable of posting before trying to didminsh their credibility.Is that clear?
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Why are you so jittery? Anyway, if you recall well...i had "CC:Trackdiamond"!
I just needed a clarification though, my apologies if that didn't auger well with you.
I just needed a clarification though, my apologies if that didn't auger well with you.
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apologies accepted
It didn't auger well actually.No jitters though....am too seasoned for that.
If you hear any rumours on the current batch being finalised please gives us an alert so we can start looking into the next intake.
If you hear any rumours on the current batch being finalised please gives us an alert so we can start looking into the next intake.
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@Trackdiamond, much as I agree with most of your assessments with regards to aircraft acquisition and fleet management, however i do not think it is true EK is operating its A345 to NBO due to politics. EK has been planning to retire its entire A330/340 fleet for sometime now, most of the aircrafts are aging and are just unable to compete against the 77W on long haul ops. In terms of economics.
My understanding is they expect to be operating only 777 and A380's in the near future, there's also talk of acquiring the A350 once it's cleared for commercial ops.
My understanding is they expect to be operating only 777 and A380's in the near future, there's also talk of acquiring the A350 once it's cleared for commercial ops.
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ek A345 to HKJK
@Odericko2000...let's not induce a thread drift butl I beg to differ.ayou misquoted me.I didn't imply the politics(or marketing for that matter) was being played by EK...rather Boeing if anything.Point was EK was using the A340 for operational convenience rather than economics.If you have a better assessment please dispaly it for us. EK has indeed ordered A350s and777s amongst other fleet(and it includes A319 ACJ b the way!).777 are more economical than A340s...why aren't they scheduling the T7s on the route.I got that info on Boeing leased A345 ex SIA from insider knowledge. The only benefit the A345 would be in terms of using it across any ETOPs segment(no etops for 340)..and the routing I flew on was via Aden and Rub Al Khali empty quarter of Saudi and AbuDhabi.That way they dodge Eastern traffic via Oman which results in longwinded Radar vectors and sometimes having to accept lower evels due to slotted eastbound traffic...which results in extra time and fuel.Its a bit of a mystery why the A345 is used on that route but it doesn't suit its range mission capability.I can only think that it matches capacity bookings and theyu don't know how better to utilize the A340s ay EK.Iy is inded a dying fleet..a product failure for Airbus I might add..when it came in the market it was to fulfill a certain niche but that didnlt last long with the advent of more manufacture product segomentation and better aircraft to fit those markets. When the A340-200 was introduced at GF they couldn't even fly non-stop to NewYork without a fuelling stop via Larnaca..and this was supposed to be the ultimate long hauler! Seats on the EK flight were too high and squeezed..and no footrest in economy...which was a pain in the traveller thrombosis..many pax noted that setback.Any updates on DEP process?Have they closed the current batch by announcing acceptances or not yet?
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@Trackdiamond,
First of all we are in agreement the 777 is more economical than the A345, now make me understand why EK would deploy it on lower volume shorter missions, yet they would obviously need it for longer routes. The EK 77W's have a 100 more seats than the A345's, what would be the logic of hauling a 100 extra empty seats? as from May 1st they are now consistently deploying the 77W, in anticipation of increased pax loads, as a result of combining the two schedules out of Jommo. And it has always been that way with their ops, during low season they consistently operate the Airbus variants alternating between the 333, 343 and 345, when the loads are high, they up the capacity using the T7, which makes a lot of sense. I am a pax on this route every week through out the year so I know what I am talking about. I doubt the argument of Boeing leased airbuses ex SIA holds any bearing to how they deploy their equipment.
With regards to the A350, yeah they have ordered about 70 and expecting first delivery in 2019.
First of all we are in agreement the 777 is more economical than the A345, now make me understand why EK would deploy it on lower volume shorter missions, yet they would obviously need it for longer routes. The EK 77W's have a 100 more seats than the A345's, what would be the logic of hauling a 100 extra empty seats? as from May 1st they are now consistently deploying the 77W, in anticipation of increased pax loads, as a result of combining the two schedules out of Jommo. And it has always been that way with their ops, during low season they consistently operate the Airbus variants alternating between the 333, 343 and 345, when the loads are high, they up the capacity using the T7, which makes a lot of sense. I am a pax on this route every week through out the year so I know what I am talking about. I doubt the argument of Boeing leased airbuses ex SIA holds any bearing to how they deploy their equipment.
With regards to the A350, yeah they have ordered about 70 and expecting first delivery in 2019.
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DXB-NBO
I am aware that a runway at DXB terminal 3 is closed for maintenance . This has led Ek to reduce number of flights to NBO to 1 and have since upgraded to 77W. The maintenance is scheduled till June. Not only NBO is affected many flights have been affected. ION. I am really liking the A350 . KQ should really look into this. This loyalty to boeing widebodies without promise to flights to the US is just non-sense.
