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Old 27th Feb 2014, 16:29
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Psycomotor

As far as I know no DEP guys have done psychomotor just yet, I believe the 1st guys will sit for it on the 4th of March. Guys have been getting rejection emails or confirmation phone calls from HR.
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Old 28th Feb 2014, 02:07
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FoxTango

Do you happen to know the core reasons for people been rejected?

Not enough hrs? Experience? Attitude or failing the Astronaut K.A test!
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Old 9th Mar 2014, 23:36
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Anyone?

Has anybody advanced to Medicals?

How was the psychomotor test?

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Old 10th Mar 2014, 15:06
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Medicals

Hey guys, the 1st group going for the medicals is tomorrow (11th) and 12th of March
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 16:21
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Is there anybody out there...?

So this thread is dying ...yet we all know we're out there...
Those who went through for the medicals, any communication from the company..?
and any idea on what the next stage entails..?

Or perhaps other direct entry pilots who completed the tests could shed some more light..

All I've heard is that the test will be on the 73 sim.. is it just general handling and IF procedures...?
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 22:09
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ctrviolation

DEC guys don't like us......

I am very impressed with the Ab-Initio guys. Current, Past and Future applicants continuously contribute hence Ab-Initio has 3,047 replies vs 104 for DEC!
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 12:59
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Yeah, the successful guys should keep this thread going, till the day you finally check out as an FO. It would be an indispensable resource for future DECs..
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 16:09
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The thread dies off because once guys make it to being FO then it's kinda hard for guys to discuss company issues especially in an open thread. Secondly, nobody dares talk openly since as an SO it's very easy to get fired. Thirdly, when you get a job and are still an intern, don't you jump and get your boss coffee just as he likes till at least you learn his/her ways of address things and that is when you talk???and that in KQ Is when you become Captain. That's when you talk. Pole. It's the way of the world.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 17:19
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Its the way of the world

I beg to differ!

The way of the world..is to donate! And good will retutn to you. Very selfish of those who make it to KQ and shut up.I started this DEP thread back in 2009 and some samrt alec thought it was irrelevanmt as there was the KQ ab initio thread.I seemed to be alone and I gave up the cause.I am glad to see Gear Up has revived the interest here.

All airlines have their threads including some of the best...you are not obliged to identify yourself in a manner that will hunt you down. Even in airline interviews there have been questions related to PPRuNe posts..so the bosses know you are here..and so there is no point pretending otherwise.If it was malicious..all those that made it at Kq might be disqualified for benefiting from these threads.If anything it will carry in your favour to be here..as it demonstrates active pursuit of your dream, seriousness of purpose, comradrie and even library of aviation knowledge.

Am abroad..but if I was in KQ I would demystify the whole preselection process...all the way to F.O.line check! Were are here to learn by sharing..and it benefits every one as standards are automatically raised by improved knowledge and awareness.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 03:32
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....tow the line....

Yes we may have difference of opinion and I will not say you are wrong, but there are examples of people who didn't tow the line and sooner or later it caught up with them. Talk personally to your pals in KQ and they may give you these stories. Best thing is to learn from them.
I studied abroad and when I got to Wilson I was appalled by especially what they termed as INSTRUMENT RATING. Don't get me wrong in that they aren't qualified pilots, a good number are. But I towed the line, made sure I lost my 'weng' as it was bound to act negatively towards me. And you know what, it worked! I got offered four jobs while other people had been looking for so long even years.
You have to look at the whole genesis of the issue. Lack of facilities has resulted into there being only Route 1 and Route 3. Since this is also what the former military seniors currently at Wilson used during their training in their yester years, they still believed it was and still is adequate. Suitable in this day and age, no. Ask someone who did some IR training in Wilson then went to a Part 141 school in states or even flying at JAR. and because we have been taught to tow the line, we blindly say yes. Many pilots are ex military and even though retired, when you meet your commanding officer, you should see them salute!
KCAA is another mess with their exams albeit they have improved but there is more to be done. Most recent but I haven't confirmed rumour is In the CPL and ATPL exams guys no longer can use the CX5 calculator because it's programmable !!? and as if people still navigate using great circle! That's bloody ancient! Then why ask about weather for Britain and Moscow and some exotic latitudes that aren't practical. We all follow GPS or VOR ....and in Africa, ADF are still active. But that is it. Great Circle projections.WTF!!!??....if you ask KCAA, they say if other guys passed it, why can't you? And since you are the talkative one, you will be singled out, then have issues getting your licenses and probably just be failed to frustrate you. The head of KCAA Is retired Military....and in the military you don't question orders. Are you gutsy to write to him and tell him these things? Am not. Am not the first to have noted these things but why haven't other more older people been vocal....
My advice, as earlier said, learn about people's past mistakes if you have friends at Wilson, and you will see why even people yearning to change our Aviation industry tow the line....saving ourselves for the good fight where we know we will make an impact! Looking forward to your thoughts...
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 09:57
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two words.....VERY SELFISH!

When the Dec guys are after info, they would be post every second like there is no tomorrow. After going through the process and checking out as F.O....it's goodbye to PPRuNe!

Have you guys read some of the comments from drivers applying for jobs @ China Southern? A driver would come out from an interview or Sim Session and immediately starting to criticize the company which is about to be his future employer! Ain't nothing wrong with that. They just saying how it is and passing out information. Bear in mind it is easy for the company to know who the driver is especially if you have just done a Sim session but the company don't do anything. Infact for most companies take what is written in PPRuNe as feedback. Free of charge feedback with no bias!
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 18:42
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save yourselves for the good fight...?

I think the good fight is now... you have lots of grievances that we all have obviously faced at one point or another, but you must've gotten through them somehow I can bet you had help from some friends, good tips, research material..since that's how you have seen it has worked so far... so why shouldn't it work here..?
Nobody is asking for classified information this is a forum for banter from one pilot to another, team work has helped many more pilots than I can count..

For you to change the face of aviation in Kenya, you're gonna need to get to influential places that are high up there...and you know you can't do that alone...the good fight starts now.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 23:38
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well said ctrviolation. Cheers lad!
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 06:49
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It's not yet time. I am working on getting to that place of influence, but hit some snags. However, the good thing is that I still have a good name. But the time is not yet right for me.

Secondly, I totally agree that I can not do it alone, hence why am vocal and trying to explain things here .....

Thirdly and lastly, I had written five points but upon explaining to my wife what am writing, she has urged me to be clandestine. See, she doesn't know much about aviation or the industry, but her concern is there. So, please, I urge you to rethink your position. It is not yet time.
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 09:34
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I must say I really don't understand your position, perhaps because I'm not wearing your shoes, but I sure hope when I get there.. I'll be humming a different tune.

Cheers guj, and correction.. its lass.
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Old 27th Mar 2014, 08:36
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donateloh009 .."towing the line"

Rafiki...!??? I say...you got issues bwana!

I read and digested all you donated earlier.

Here's my advice.You talk almost condesecendingly but completely out focus...off track kabissa my friend! Define "towing the line" and WHOSE line??KCAA or KA?? Don't fly unless you have a destination in mind ..is the take away here.
My comments we're in support of Gear Up. Job..Lack of feed back to DEP from KQ S.O lads and other KQ entry pilots to beef up this thread of K.A.(KA not KQ as it is purported to be.K.A. Kenya Airways..not KyuQ Airways..we don't refer to airlines by their IATA 2 letter codes in here).
You introduced yourself as having studied abroad...so what?I and many others have..from juinior school to post University "abroad".It doesn't matter where you you study or even if you have multiple degrees like some of us do..you have to adapt to KA's requirements (be they sensible or not) to be accepted at Kenya Airways..It is not a fair player and has turned away many experienced safe and resourceful right stuff pilots due to their anachronistic intake methods as we'll as tribalism issues known at large.
About KCAA...we know about them.They have improved but still have a bad attitude toward pilots and admin is too beuraucratic.Yes I know their Chief and even had the pleasure of meeting him personally.He might be ex Military but is actually aproachable and nice to talk to.He helped me solve the problem for which I was grieved with at the time.There is a consumer protection unit at KCAA and there you can voice any concerns be they licensing, operational, or emplyment issues even.

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Old 27th Mar 2014, 08:55
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KCAA exams

I take it those that complain about the contents of KCAA exams being irrelevant or Kenya IR is outdated...are Frozen ATPL candidates? You can't have any measureable experience in the aviation industry and talk like that!

Whether Met questions relate to the SouthIndian Ocean or Kathmandu or Siberia..should not deter you from answering ...if you read your theory.As an ATPL(not Frozen nonsense)...you are rquipped to fly ANYWHERE on this globe! Not just Kenya! Having said that you will expect to see some Kenya related met in your randomly asked questions from their database which is sourced from JAA, FAA, and other ICAO national exams.

The KCAA disuading use of CX pathfinders is for. Reason.Don't call yourself a Pilot if challenged by a E6B slide rule! Batteries do die ..so your CX comp won't be of any use on some trans oceanic or Transcontinental flight when electronics have packed and have to fly by ref to your standby instruments.We all had to use the E6B from our initial conversion back in the late 80s to more recent candidates that sat the computerised exams.My critique is that some candidates cheated by using their smart phones...when the phones were allowed..as they simply went to aviation.tire and got the answers.I think phones are no longer allowed.

About the KCAA IRT...it is not about shooting aproaches like the FAA emphasises..it is a Command Instrument Raing based on the old British CAA standard...which was arguably one of the most stringent. Yes I know there some lenient and corrupt examiners but it doesn't detract from the fact its syllabus is not classified material and it requires you to be well informed and flying performance standards are high.Planes available may not be up to scartch in terms of serviceabilit..but then it is up to you the candidate to seek the plane that will help you pass..not stres you out die to poor rigging or faulty instruments..as have been observed on a few of the school's fleet.

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Old 27th Mar 2014, 08:58
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K.A. sim screen detail for current DEP candidates

If anyone knows anything about the details of the upcoming sim screen..do not be afraid to post the details here so we can share and prepare the next batch to breeze through it.This is not cheating..it is anticipation and preparation using all resources at hand...otherwise known as good CRM!
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 01:30
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Trackdiamond

Well said lad however i slightly differ with you. K.A is a fair go employer. I know of mates who have been given a fair go! Got nothing to do with their background communities and for you to quote K.A as " KyuQ Airways" man that's abit shallow.

Anyways back to the topic.......Any DE guys share with us were you are @. I know a few things here and there about 737. I may share with you guys to help you with your forthcoming Sim session.
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 13:36
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KyuQ

Gear up..last time we discussed this you and I, you didn't give me the impression it was shallow..perhaps the shallowness of it is your depth of experience in the industry.I suggest you look at the statistics over the years.Just because a few mates of yours got what seemed to be a fair go doesn't change the way things have been done there over the years.How long has it been since you embarked on this industry after obtaining your license?Then we can talk about being shallow...sawa sawa?
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