Kenya Airways expansion plans - 60/70 expat captains required .
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Kilo Bravo 1:
Before you start spreading your BS too thick: Any country (in this context the EU acts as 1 country) does protect their workforce. Since there are a lot of pilots (not only licensed, but also experienced) sitting around unemployed in the EU, it is difficult or impossible for a non-EU citizen to find a job, at the moment. Should the demand increase, so will the chances for non-EU citizens.
Do you really think that the US and Canada for example allow for foreigners to be employed these days?
capb1900:
Before you call others names, you might want to check the facts, a trait most welcome in flying environments which might land you a job one day:
There are quite a number of non RSA citizens flying for various South African companies, be it SAA, regional airlines or charter outfits. Those guys are from African countries like Zimbabwe, Uganda etc., from the US and Europe.
If you have tried and were unsuccessful, it might be due to job shortage (see above) or your abilities. The licence is just one part of the puzzle, your experience, abilities and attitude are important as well.
Before you start spreading your BS too thick: Any country (in this context the EU acts as 1 country) does protect their workforce. Since there are a lot of pilots (not only licensed, but also experienced) sitting around unemployed in the EU, it is difficult or impossible for a non-EU citizen to find a job, at the moment. Should the demand increase, so will the chances for non-EU citizens.
Do you really think that the US and Canada for example allow for foreigners to be employed these days?
capb1900:
Before you call others names, you might want to check the facts, a trait most welcome in flying environments which might land you a job one day:
There are quite a number of non RSA citizens flying for various South African companies, be it SAA, regional airlines or charter outfits. Those guys are from African countries like Zimbabwe, Uganda etc., from the US and Europe.
If you have tried and were unsuccessful, it might be due to job shortage (see above) or your abilities. The licence is just one part of the puzzle, your experience, abilities and attitude are important as well.
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KLM self interest
Beyond the disinclination to hire well qualified local pilots, which is racist and nothing else, is the lack of a comprehensive local network predicated on development of the people and resources of Kenya for posterity. Just look across the border at Ethiopia, or Nigeria in the seventies, when their heads were screwed the right way, to see what I mean. But KLM is in it for the money, period, and so, this sort of investment in Kenya's' future doesn't stand a chance, unfortunately.
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Beyond the disinclination to hire well qualified local pilots, which is racist and nothing else, is the lack of a comprehensive local network predicated on development of the people and resources of Kenya for posterity. Just look across the border at Ethiopia, or Nigeria in the seventies, when their heads were screwed the right way, to see what I mean. But KLM is in it for the money, period, and so, this sort of investment in Kenya's' future doesn't stand a chance, unfortunately.
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Expats pilots in Kenya?
Not long ago Nigeria faced a similar juxtaposition...the local Nigerian pilots took matters in thier own hands posted a response in all local news papers front pages that read something like this 
.."All foreign pilots making a living in Nigeria or applying for jobs in Nigeria have x number of days to pack and go or else...your lives!" I think Kenya is developed enough not to require foreign expertise in jobs like flying..Kenya has been developing local cadre of pilots before 1960s...and we certainly have a fair share of unemployed local pilots hungry to have their hard earned investments pay off.I can assure you not all Kenyan pilots have a rich dad or uncle to raise harambee!We are not allowed to scrounge even for janitorial jobs in Europe let alone covetted jobs.Why should Ministry of Labour and Ministry of Transport as well as KCAA fall prey to this foreign scavengers...we are not Emirates nor Qatar where the local population is by far outsripped by foreigners and too many jobs abound.Kenya is still a developing nation...but developed enough to source its own pilots thank you very much!
.."All foreign pilots making a living in Nigeria or applying for jobs in Nigeria have x number of days to pack and go or else...your lives!" I think Kenya is developed enough not to require foreign expertise in jobs like flying..Kenya has been developing local cadre of pilots before 1960s...and we certainly have a fair share of unemployed local pilots hungry to have their hard earned investments pay off.I can assure you not all Kenyan pilots have a rich dad or uncle to raise harambee!We are not allowed to scrounge even for janitorial jobs in Europe let alone covetted jobs.Why should Ministry of Labour and Ministry of Transport as well as KCAA fall prey to this foreign scavengers...we are not Emirates nor Qatar where the local population is by far outsripped by foreigners and too many jobs abound.Kenya is still a developing nation...but developed enough to source its own pilots thank you very much!
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Bravo, Vc10Tail
And yet, and yet, and yet... I am Nigerian, and I can assure you that the problem in some ways is worse off than the 80s and 90s. The sad fact is that too many Nigerians are on the take, and the Europeans and now Arabs, Asians and the rest know this. Labour, Immigration and Law enforcement officials at the very top surrender to lucre, and low-lifes like unemployed commercial pilots get the short end of the stick. In the last six, eight years, it's been an explosion of foreign owned and registered business jets and of course, their foreign pilots and techs flooding our shores. At the bottom of the ladder we gripe all we want, but it doesn't look as if things are going to change 
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Kenyan elections
It beats all logic for Kq to want to expand and recruit foreigners to aid their expansion at the expense of locals when we are heading to an election given the outcome of the last general election.
Let us be honest, why would I as a foreigner want to come at a time when political temperatures are rising by the minute? It is not for certain when the elections will be held! Money of course has a way of changing things but at what expense? Unless its desperation then I wouldn't step foot in Kenya at the moment.
Let us be honest, why would I as a foreigner want to come at a time when political temperatures are rising by the minute? It is not for certain when the elections will be held! Money of course has a way of changing things but at what expense? Unless its desperation then I wouldn't step foot in Kenya at the moment.
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"why would I as a foreigner want to come..."
Frututu...yes indeed...why would you want to come in the first place?Don't you have jobs in your own country?Employment is a national social obligation...in any country, including yours.
If we need a helping hand..it shall be broadcasted no doubt...but for now, I would worry about more than elections if you decide to make Kenya your feeding ground for developing flying experience.Foreign pilots are not welcome.I take it your English LPR meets the minima?The door is FIRMLY SHUT
If we need a helping hand..it shall be broadcasted no doubt...but for now, I would worry about more than elections if you decide to make Kenya your feeding ground for developing flying experience.Foreign pilots are not welcome.I take it your English LPR meets the minima?The door is FIRMLY SHUT
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Foreign Pilots
Most foreign pilots just come to Kenya gain flight experience and hours on our jets then head back to their country. I'm not against foreign pilots but the interests of the local people should be put first.
KQ should just focus more on their ab initio pilot program since they retain pilots on training bonds.
KQ should just focus more on their ab initio pilot program since they retain pilots on training bonds.
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Capt.Bill
I am 100% with you on the part that the threshould should be high. I am Expat who flew with alot of young fellas in the right seat and also guided some of those fruitfully into the left seat. I am proud to see some of the F/O´s I flew with as Expat are now Captains in those Airlines.
I left my "own" Country after the Company went bankrupt. Since I found it more rewarding in some cases to built long lasting friendships beyond the job I stayed as Expat in diffrent parts of the Globe for over 15 years. Truly not to gain expirience and return home to show off.
If you want to implement expirience into any outfit then ask for +10K hours and pay subsequently the right amount of money and after 5 years you see the develoment. Selection of the Expat has to be done carefull and not just by a number to fill as seat. HR is challenged. If the beancounters are leading the selection by the cost saving driven idea it is worthless. Pay peanuts get monkeys, I am sure you heared and feared that before.
Fly safe and land happy
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I left my "own" Country after the Company went bankrupt. Since I found it more rewarding in some cases to built long lasting friendships beyond the job I stayed as Expat in diffrent parts of the Globe for over 15 years. Truly not to gain expirience and return home to show off.
If you want to implement expirience into any outfit then ask for +10K hours and pay subsequently the right amount of money and after 5 years you see the develoment. Selection of the Expat has to be done carefull and not just by a number to fill as seat. HR is challenged. If the beancounters are leading the selection by the cost saving driven idea it is worthless. Pay peanuts get monkeys, I am sure you heared and feared that before.
Fly safe and land happy
NG
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Most foreign pilots just come to Kenya gain flight experience and hours on our jets then head back to their country. I'm not against foreign pilots but the interests of the local people should be put first.
They guys I knew were all flying jets...I don't know about the situation at Wilson.
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TRAINING TRAINING TRAINING
Never underestimate the value of a thorough training department. If most airlines in Africa had Ryanair/Easyjet type training departments then their problems will be solved in a couple of years. You might need to recruit expat TRI/TREs but for maybe a maximum of 1 year.
I flown in expat heavy companies and the biggest problem is that most (75%) are not who they claim to be. Lots of padded CVs flying around Africa. Cadet program which offer a good background and then fasttrack command upgrade programs are what we need and nobody will need expats. The other problem is braindrain, when expats leave they leave with company assets (knowledge). A lot of guys are quick to point out how much of a sh1thole Africa is but numerous management personel in major airlines built there foundations in this sh1thole.
The onus is on the Local flights ops management personnel to be more strategic in their thinking.
I flown in expat heavy companies and the biggest problem is that most (75%) are not who they claim to be. Lots of padded CVs flying around Africa. Cadet program which offer a good background and then fasttrack command upgrade programs are what we need and nobody will need expats. The other problem is braindrain, when expats leave they leave with company assets (knowledge). A lot of guys are quick to point out how much of a sh1thole Africa is but numerous management personel in major airlines built there foundations in this sh1thole.
The onus is on the Local flights ops management personnel to be more strategic in their thinking.
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PSYCHOMOTOR
Hi,
My name is Marvin.I am currently looking for the psycho-motor test program so that I can be able to prepare myself for it.
I am kindly asking you to email me the program if you have one.My mail is [email protected] you and God bless.
Marvin
My name is Marvin.I am currently looking for the psycho-motor test program so that I can be able to prepare myself for it.
I am kindly asking you to email me the program if you have one.My mail is [email protected] you and God bless.
Marvin
