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No more expat pilots in Tanzania?

Old 10th Sep 2011, 08:26
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No more expat pilots in Tanzania?

Hi guys, heard some rumors that Tanzania aint goin to allow no more expat pilots, cuz there is to many local pilots without jobs... true??

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Old 10th Sep 2011, 08:33
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I don't know if it' s true or not, but I think it's possible their DCA restrict expat due to too many local pilots without job. When you see in europe unemployent rate doubled in a few months, and now it stagnates.not good.

It' s pretty much the same all around the world now. We are still in a recession.
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Old 10th Sep 2011, 10:14
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I remenber them (TCAA) doing the same in 1994 by stoping all conversion exams. Lucky for me at the time they put them back 15 days after my arrival in the country.
I do understand the frustration of the local pilots.
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Old 11th Sep 2011, 07:43
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there is a lot of job

all those pilots looking for job ,be aware of those that will tell you about recession in the aviation .There more jobs than pilots.
Auric Air have been putting for quite a while ads all over several forums before to find a pilot to fly their airplane.Why they did not get easily a local ones if there where so many without a job?Air companies and their fellows dogs are afraid to let you know that you can pretend the right salary with the right benefit and right on time.Be aware do not belive on what I just wrote but do your search and will see how many are desperate for pilots.
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Old 11th Sep 2011, 08:09
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There more jobs than pilots.
Auric Air have been putting for quite a while ads all over several forums before to find a pilot to fly their airplane.
Arik's reputation precedes them..

http://www.pprune.org/african-aviati...-arik-air.html

There are not more jobs than pilots. Can you perhaps provide some data to support that claim ?

True there are some jobs, but many are predicated on pilots taking a wage that is not economically viable. Being a pilot is not a charitable vocation.
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Old 11th Sep 2011, 10:12
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Being a pilot is not a charitable vocation. 		
 		  		  		 		  		  		  		  	   	 		   		 		 		 		  		 		 	 		  	 	 	 	 		 		 		 		  			 			
Belive me what you just wrote is the best sentence that I ever heard in all my life.
I do agree with you 1000 per cent .Finally I have to say there are still real pilots in this world.
I hope some days everebody will take your sentence and put it on top of their priority .
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Old 11th Sep 2011, 13:15
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Auric Air have been putting for quite a while ads all over several forums before to find a pilot to fly their airplane.

Arik's reputation precedes them..

http://www.pprune.org/african-aviati...-arik-air.html
Auric Air, Arik Air

Different companies, different countries.
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Old 12th Sep 2011, 15:37
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This is not one bit surprising...its the way most African countries are going!! Namibia, South Africa, Botswana soon to follow, Kenya...

Cant disagree with the principle of it though...
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 10:00
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This is not one bit surprising...its the way most African countries are going!! Namibia, South Africa, Botswana soon to follow, Kenya...

Cant disagree with the principle of it though...
i'm curious, why is that?
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 12:48
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Very sensibly obvious to me.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 01:35
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until they can't find qualified local pilots, then the rules will change once again.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 02:18
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yep, every sensible government is expected to conjure up rules and laws that first secure the interests of it's citizens, residents and then visitors in that order. When the skills sets the country needs cannot be sourced locally, they'll be willing to pay a premium with perks attached to attract those who have it. The proactive strategy is to develop a training framework that ensures skills and experience required to sustain economic development and capacity building can always available from within.
That's what is obtainable in the USA, EU, Australia and anywhere with responsible and accountable government.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 10:00
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I know of at least one expat pilot who got his converted Tanzanian license less than a week ago with no problems.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 23:42
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yep, every sensible government is expected to conjure up rules and laws that first secure the interests of it's citizens, residents and then visitors in that order. When the skills sets the country needs cannot be sourced locally, they'll be willing to pay a premium with perks attached to attract those who have it. The proactive strategy is to develop a training framework that ensures skills and experience required to sustain economic development and capacity building can always available from within.
That's what is obtainable in the USA, EU, Australia and anywhere with responsible and accountable government.
I was with you right up to when you put USA and accountable government in the same sentence...

what you say is true, that is what a "sensible" government is "expected" to to... but this, well this is the real world we live in... and there aren't many "sensible" governments anywhere, and very few governments do that which is "expected".
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 01:25
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Come on, give the white house some credit. I think they've done pretty well in protecting their markets with:
  • Chapter 11 protection
  • Research grants to Boeing
  • Fly America policy
  • Ownership restrictions; 40% with 25% voting rights.
  • Open skies only with countries where they'll have strategic advantage.
  • Cabotage laws. e.t.c
I was quite shocked they allowed internal mega-consolidations that started with Delta/NorthWest and now Continental/United. Without the amalgamation of the European manufacturers into EADS, airbus will still have been playing second fiddle. Just a shame that the recession and it's attendant over 9% unemployment coupled with Chinese incursion into large scale medium skill manufacturing is making recovery a bit slow for the US and Europe.
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 02:04
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@DRPAM007
let's add to that list, shall we?
today more people are getting from the government than giving
today more people do not speak english than ever before
(40 years ago, to be a citizen you had to pass a test in English, now you get an interpreter for the ceremony0
these are not things intended to protect the citizen...
never mind that we have incredible unemployment because our government chose to guarantee loans (fannie mae and freddie mac) and then order those organizations to take on more and 30% failure risk rates... but to NOT guarantee anything in the way of business loans, so when insurance companies saw this, they bought the loans, and were bailed out when it failed but companies that were providing money to businesses (like CIT) were told to "go stuff yourself"... no, the US government is NOT looking out for the citizen...
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 10:10
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True there are failings in the US polity. However, no human society is perfect. It is still among the top 10 countries to belong to. You dont hear of people relinquishing their US nationality in droves, do you? Would you fancy emigrating to Afghanistan, Mexico or Nigeria? There's a lot more excitement there.
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 18:57
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I think that's the point. You assume that a governments #1 priority is to its citizenry, and in reality, it is not, but rather it is to to itself.
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 19:17
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Happy to hear that there are no more expat pilots in the United States of Tanzania!
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Old 20th Sep 2011, 14:01
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Localisation is a reality though it's implementation in Africa has been somewhat flawed.

Replacing a guy with 5000TT with one with a shiney new CPL is not in the best interests so far as safety is concerned. From what I hear from friends there, many expats with experience are getting waived, it is more to stop low time guys from EU, USA, Can, Aus and NZ getting a job over the local guys which is a great idea.

Except no low time western pilots got jobs there in the first place and there is little to no government support for local guys to get a cpl and I doubt many people have the means to fork out the cash.

Best case - A flight that would have a 5000TT LHS and a 2000TT RHS crew is replaced by one with a 5000TT LHS and a 300TT RHS crew.

As far as using the USA as an example, well that is laughable. If people believe young pilots with 300TT paying for their RHS jobs and pilots with 2000TT earning 14K USD is good for the industry well, then there goes any hope of aviation being the fine profession it once was...

Hence the guys in the USA have very little opportunity to actually use their CPLs to learn the trade now days.
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