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I removed the G.L. thread cos there were so many of his hero-worshippers on here that i couldn't get a definitive answer to my question of what qualifies him as an "aviation expert" as opposed to an enthusiastic weekend warrior with access to media coverage...
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And I really need an expert to shed some light on this conundrum...
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a PA30 Twinco is nonetheless notoriously hard to land well because it has a fairly laminar flow wing that just stops flying and drops you out of the sky. And the float from ground effect from the airflow trapped under the wing does not make it any easier.
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Maybe someone can elighten me??
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a PA30 Twinco is nonetheless notoriously hard to land well because it has a fairly laminar flow wing that just stops flying and drops you out of the sky. And the float from ground effect from the airflow trapped under the wing does not make it any easier.
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Maybe someone can elighten me??
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(a PA30 Twinco is nonetheless notoriously hard to land well
because it has a fairly laminar flow wing that just stops flying and drops you out of the sky.
And the float from ground effect from the airflow trapped under the wing does not make it any easier.)
True.
It has and it does if you come down the slope too slowly.
It does if you fly the approach too fast.
The PA30 is difficult to land smoothly or properly. It can be an embarrassing little aircraft. The wing is nearly laminar flow and the aircraft does float in ground effect. If you let it drop too soon you can easily enough find yourself doing two or three touchdowns, more often than not on the nosewheel. It's an aircraft which requires height control, touchdown reference point judgement and finals speed profile protocol. As a mere Commanche fan and ex member of the TC Club/USA I don't profess to be an expert. What I would say though is that I think it's a superlative aircraft which has suffered by being used as an initial twin converter when it was designed as a fast (for the time) light twin commuter machine to be used by people who already did know how to fly. I could, of course, continue to write a longish article giving my expert views on the Apache, Aztec and Twin Commanche from an American, a South African, a sea level and a high altitude reference relationship. However I regret to say that I am not paid to write articles for the education of the masses and so shall desist from putting my knowledge into the public arena where it would not doubt attract little more than vituperative criticism from those whose braided shoulders far outweighed their cranial capacity for intelligent and informedly rational discussion.
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because it has a fairly laminar flow wing that just stops flying and drops you out of the sky.
And the float from ground effect from the airflow trapped under the wing does not make it any easier.)
True.
It has and it does if you come down the slope too slowly.
It does if you fly the approach too fast.
The PA30 is difficult to land smoothly or properly. It can be an embarrassing little aircraft. The wing is nearly laminar flow and the aircraft does float in ground effect. If you let it drop too soon you can easily enough find yourself doing two or three touchdowns, more often than not on the nosewheel. It's an aircraft which requires height control, touchdown reference point judgement and finals speed profile protocol. As a mere Commanche fan and ex member of the TC Club/USA I don't profess to be an expert. What I would say though is that I think it's a superlative aircraft which has suffered by being used as an initial twin converter when it was designed as a fast (for the time) light twin commuter machine to be used by people who already did know how to fly. I could, of course, continue to write a longish article giving my expert views on the Apache, Aztec and Twin Commanche from an American, a South African, a sea level and a high altitude reference relationship. However I regret to say that I am not paid to write articles for the education of the masses and so shall desist from putting my knowledge into the public arena where it would not doubt attract little more than vituperative criticism from those whose braided shoulders far outweighed their cranial capacity for intelligent and informedly rational discussion.
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So let me get this right, oh ye of vapid verbosity.
If you approach too fast, it floats.
If you approach too slowly, it falls out on you.
Ok, what happens when you approach at the correct speed?
If you approach too fast, it floats.
If you approach too slowly, it falls out on you.
Ok, what happens when you approach at the correct speed?
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That's why it's called a Twin Commanche - you get scalped twice unless you judge your approach to the renegade just right and shoot the so and so between the eyes the first time. In that case there's a gentle drift down for a soft landing while you are left to collect the bounty and take the girl home for a ride side saddle on your palomino pony.
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Uhem...I may be well out of line, as my mere 3000hrs in a variety of turboprops may have taught me much less than a few hundred in a 182, but am I not out of line to say that ANY aircraft flown too fast on roundout will float a bit? ANY aircraft flown too slowly will drop? These really are not new and fascinating revelations into the intricate handling characteristics of the Commanche...they are the very bare basics applicable to any aircraft that ANYBODY with even the tiniest knowledge of flying will be able to tell you. It really goes without saying that that's what will happen.
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Yup. But you don't sound as clever when you say it. 
nor as cool coz cool people say twinco.
But I think I will put this thought to rest.
Guess your level of expertise is judged by the company you keep. Nuff said.
nor as cool coz cool people say twinco.But I think I will put this thought to rest.
Guess your level of expertise is judged by the company you keep. Nuff said.
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"However I regret to say that I am not paid to write articles for the education of the masses and so shall desist from putting my knowledge into the public arena where it would not doubt attract little more than vituperative criticism from those whose braided shoulders far outweighed their cranial capacity for intelligent and informedly rational discussion."
Very good! I am sure I can use those words to good effect somewhere, would you mind terribly if I borrowed same occasionally??
Very good! I am sure I can use those words to good effect somewhere, would you mind terribly if I borrowed same occasionally??
