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Virgin Nigeria(n) Eagle aka Air Nigeria
Apparently it's going a full circle, Nigerian Eagle the re-branded Virgin Nigeria (less than a year ago?) is now to become
AIR NIGERIA ...
Unbelievable!!! What a waste of money!
AIR NIGERIA ...
Unbelievable!!! What a waste of money!
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Anything that Jimoh Ibrahim gets involved in, doesn't fill me with confidence. NICON, EAS, etc etc. Maybe there's something we dont know going on, perharps a major cash injection, but when a guy like Dapo leaves a place, the writing is usually on the wall.
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Some people have too much time on their hands to be making up crap like this. Funniest thing about that website is that there was nothing humorous on it.
The site's designer obviously a condescending tw*t is definitely not on the top 1,000,000 list of designers to invite to bid for my new company's website project. What a waste of bandwidth!
The site's designer obviously a condescending tw*t is definitely not on the top 1,000,000 list of designers to invite to bid for my new company's website project. What a waste of bandwidth!
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NaijaNinja,
I'm sure Dapo has his friends aswell as enemies in the industry, but the truth is that the guy meant well for virgin Nigeria in my opinion and lets face it he had very little to play with in terms of finances when he arrived. Jimoh on the other hand has his work cut out, and mainly to do with his style of management and extreme arrogance. It seems a bit of a coincidence that Jimoh buys the company just in time for this so called bail-out thats coming from Central bank. I want to know how the money will be shared amongst the airlines. Will it be shared at all? Will they do it equally? based on fleet size? Either way I hope Jimoh changes the fortunes of Virgin Nigeria/Nigerian Eagle/Air Nigeria. Any bets on what its gonna be called this time next year? I reckon "Jimoh Nigerian"
I'm sure Dapo has his friends aswell as enemies in the industry, but the truth is that the guy meant well for virgin Nigeria in my opinion and lets face it he had very little to play with in terms of finances when he arrived. Jimoh on the other hand has his work cut out, and mainly to do with his style of management and extreme arrogance. It seems a bit of a coincidence that Jimoh buys the company just in time for this so called bail-out thats coming from Central bank. I want to know how the money will be shared amongst the airlines. Will it be shared at all? Will they do it equally? based on fleet size? Either way I hope Jimoh changes the fortunes of Virgin Nigeria/Nigerian Eagle/Air Nigeria. Any bets on what its gonna be called this time next year? I reckon "Jimoh Nigerian"
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Big Scam
Its all a big scam guys,the sponsors of Jimoh were the original sponsors of virgin/Air whatever,and they are now the new friends of Jonathan;Latent Leaders of Nigeria have achieved what they originally wanted through Branson and he was paid his reward,Branson still says he's coming back, sic,Its a huge scam,and someday in the nearest future it shall all become blown open,just keep watching as things unfold;The cat will soon show;In Nigeria EGO rules,Watchout for the remaining parts of this soap opera
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Don't worry in due time,it shall become very clear,the clowns think we're all been fooled,500b bailout fund all of a sudden,The beat goes on.Hope ur enjoying your time off,rgds to dat pweety somebody
Don't worry in due time,it shall become very clear,the clowns think we're all been fooled,500b bailout fund all of a sudden,The beat goes on.Hope ur enjoying your time off,rgds to dat pweety somebody
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Here we go again, do i smell CORRUPTION......?. The birth of a new brand thats probably going to die in a year or two.
Wake up NIgeria!!!! I flew on the jump seat once from lagos to Jos with NICON. I wrote down all the snags on the aircraft. They had a total of 15 defects on the old B737-200. Apparently jimoh Ibrahim was the CEO of NICON at that time. He constantly pushed pilot into flying aircrafts with snags
This time jimoh Ibrahim will carry the snags on a National Carrier. I really wonder how its going to turn out this time, but it doesnt look gud with him up there...GUD Luck nigeria!!!!
Happy Landings!!!!!!!!
Wake up NIgeria!!!! I flew on the jump seat once from lagos to Jos with NICON. I wrote down all the snags on the aircraft. They had a total of 15 defects on the old B737-200. Apparently jimoh Ibrahim was the CEO of NICON at that time. He constantly pushed pilot into flying aircrafts with snags
This time jimoh Ibrahim will carry the snags on a National Carrier. I really wonder how its going to turn out this time, but it doesnt look gud with him up there...GUD Luck nigeria!!!!
Happy Landings!!!!!!!!
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Haba Sky god Jimoh never forced any Pilot to fly a defective Aircraft in fact Jimoh knew he was Handicapped in the Knowledge of Flight Ops so he left that to a Group of people i.e those who always approved your Jump seat rides to Jos truth of the matter is Jimoh is after Quick returns some thing you rarely get in Aviation this days...was Dapo right to leave sure Jimoh is one Arrogant 
ask the EAS Guys he hosted in his Hotel at Lekki 
in fact Jimoh knew he was Handicapped in the Knowledge of Flight Ops so he left that to a Group of people i.e those who always approved your Jump seat rides to Jos truth of the matter is Jimoh is after Quick returns some thing you rarely get in Aviation this days...was Dapo right to leave sure Jimoh is one Arrogant ask the EAS Guys he hosted in his Hotel at Lekki
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Just curious how did JI push pilots to fly"defective" aircraft?
Did he pull them by the ears across the tarmac,or threaten them with pay freeze?
The facts on ground is that JI has pumped money,paid for more aircraft,insurance and reduced the balances on third party creditors.He may not be a nice guy,which i don't believe is a prerequisite for an airline chairman,but if properly managed,there is huge potential.They are IOSA/IATA,which no one else has,they are in a better financial condition now,than even orange tail and AJ.
In my estimation,NICON was an eye opener for him,and if he's smart,he should use his experience there,and pay off what he owes staff.
I do agree that the timing of this 500billion,his joining PDP,are quite ................ but word out there is AJ is trying to corner most of the money based on fleet size,forgetting the money is not for aviation alone,but also manufacturing.
Just curious how did JI push pilots to fly"defective" aircraft?
Did he pull them by the ears across the tarmac,or threaten them with pay freeze?
The facts on ground is that JI has pumped money,paid for more aircraft,insurance and reduced the balances on third party creditors.He may not be a nice guy,which i don't believe is a prerequisite for an airline chairman,but if properly managed,there is huge potential.They are IOSA/IATA,which no one else has,they are in a better financial condition now,than even orange tail and AJ.
In my estimation,NICON was an eye opener for him,and if he's smart,he should use his experience there,and pay off what he owes staff.
I do agree that the timing of this 500billion,his joining PDP,are quite ................ but word out there is AJ is trying to corner most of the money based on fleet size,forgetting the money is not for aviation alone,but also manufacturing.
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hey guys,
My conclusion, is you guys are trying to justify jimohs actions to get a bite of the national cake, the 500bn. It really doesnt matter whoes managing what. Jimoh ibrahim was proven, a failure in EAS, with a crash in kano, and Nicon with so many serious incidents that were covered up.
Were all back again to square 1, because were not really honest. I bet u 100% in 2 years there will be no Air Nigeria...My point is the airline is for Nigeria, and i want the best for nigerians, because they deserve nothing less than other countries. Can you compare Emirates with Air NIgeria???? speak up people??.The answer is NO. Its Impossible in 10 years Air Nigeria will be like Emirates, with jimoh Ibrahim. Same oil, same humans, same brains, same airplanes, same market. So whats the problem ???? CORRUPTION. !!! thats my point people be honest with ur selves.
I guess my point is clear, i need not explain, any further because you all know the deal? Dont defent a criminal jimoh, Dapo was much better manager, and Dapo, had some education, and qualifications to back him up.time will tell which way the wind blows!!!!!
My conclusion, is you guys are trying to justify jimohs actions to get a bite of the national cake, the 500bn. It really doesnt matter whoes managing what. Jimoh ibrahim was proven, a failure in EAS, with a crash in kano, and Nicon with so many serious incidents that were covered up.
Were all back again to square 1, because were not really honest. I bet u 100% in 2 years there will be no Air Nigeria...My point is the airline is for Nigeria, and i want the best for nigerians, because they deserve nothing less than other countries. Can you compare Emirates with Air NIgeria???? speak up people??.The answer is NO. Its Impossible in 10 years Air Nigeria will be like Emirates, with jimoh Ibrahim. Same oil, same humans, same brains, same airplanes, same market. So whats the problem ???? CORRUPTION. !!! thats my point people be honest with ur selves.
I guess my point is clear, i need not explain, any further because you all know the deal? Dont defent a criminal jimoh, Dapo was much better manager, and Dapo, had some education, and qualifications to back him up.time will tell which way the wind blows!!!!!
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Jimoh is definitely 100% bad news for Air Nigeria. I think my fellow brothers here on pprune are simply happy that there's finally some money being pumped into the company. This is a welcome development. But that is not the only yardstick for running a proper efficient airline. If he wants the best for air nigeria, he needs to simply put his money in and back off and let the experts do their jobs. Now can anybody here trully tell me whether Jimoh's style of management and deep arrogance wil let him do that??
We have one of the biggest aviation markets in Africa. We need to give the best people a chance to get to work. Forget Emirates, just look at Ethiopian. How do they do it? Its no good just having one Ethiopian in the management team at air Nigeria. Bring all of them. They have a very good work ethic. But with the best will in the world, they can only be as good as Jimoh lets them be.
We have one of the biggest aviation markets in Africa. We need to give the best people a chance to get to work. Forget Emirates, just look at Ethiopian. How do they do it? Its no good just having one Ethiopian in the management team at air Nigeria. Bring all of them. They have a very good work ethic. But with the best will in the world, they can only be as good as Jimoh lets them be.
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you once posted "Bellview will never go bankrupt and will be hear for ever",so don't be shocked if your prediction with AIR NIGERIA goes the same way.
I am not a JI fan at all,he is a nasty piece of equipment,probably a required tool in this industry,time will tell!
The Mr nice guys have not succeeded either!!
i just try to disengage emotions from facts.
JI is a lawyer,so he is educated,and has far more experience in the business world than Dapo.Which is why i say if he plays smart,he has bought into a good asset,what he does with it is another thing,so its 50/50 with your prediction.
The new CEO who was Dapos deputy,has had vast experience in ETHIOPIAN,and took some commercial decisions that have paid off,which all there so called "analysts" could not pull off all this years.
I strongly believe if JI leaves him to run the show,he will turn VK around
Your measurement of Dapos performance is based on?????????
sure hope its not what you read in the press,different people will say different things,it all depends who you talk too.He has tried his best,but i believe VK project was beyond his best,besides theres no way Dapo will work with JI.
The Emirates and co that you mention,all have massive govt support.Think how Emirates would be if they got kicked out of a terminal,always "STDBY" for start up,picking birds in their engines,and using two weeks to renew their licence,or three months to get their validations,or always facing conveyor belt failure and "delay not determined",using a bus in traffic for inter terminal transfer,or been forced to night stop because no space at home base to park your aircraft,or in ability to use a wide body out of MM2 when you have the pax numbers,having to deal with NAHCO/SAHCOL who's main job is to collide with your aircraft ......................... Look at ARIK,GAT can barely contain them,any commercial decision they make they have to take capacity constraints in GAT into consideration,try parking in GAT @#(&%^$#@,and then 419MM2,the most expensive terminal in africa.
You dont need a rocket scientist to run an airline efficiently,you just need the right people in the right places,identifying these people is what makes or mars your airline,thats why cost managers will advise you contract it out till you have the know how.
On the EAS crash,JI wasnt there then,and most of these incidents are caused by tosterone over dozed pilots,the i can "tap" syndrome,prevalent amongst most pilots in Nigeria,probably myself too.
you once posted "Bellview will never go bankrupt and will be hear for ever",so don't be shocked if your prediction with AIR NIGERIA goes the same way.
I am not a JI fan at all,he is a nasty piece of equipment,probably a required tool in this industry,time will tell!
The Mr nice guys have not succeeded either!!
i just try to disengage emotions from facts.
JI is a lawyer,so he is educated,and has far more experience in the business world than Dapo.Which is why i say if he plays smart,he has bought into a good asset,what he does with it is another thing,so its 50/50 with your prediction.
The new CEO who was Dapos deputy,has had vast experience in ETHIOPIAN,and took some commercial decisions that have paid off,which all there so called "analysts" could not pull off all this years.
I strongly believe if JI leaves him to run the show,he will turn VK around
Your measurement of Dapos performance is based on?????????
sure hope its not what you read in the press,different people will say different things,it all depends who you talk too.He has tried his best,but i believe VK project was beyond his best,besides theres no way Dapo will work with JI.
The Emirates and co that you mention,all have massive govt support.Think how Emirates would be if they got kicked out of a terminal,always "STDBY" for start up,picking birds in their engines,and using two weeks to renew their licence,or three months to get their validations,or always facing conveyor belt failure and "delay not determined",using a bus in traffic for inter terminal transfer,or been forced to night stop because no space at home base to park your aircraft,or in ability to use a wide body out of MM2 when you have the pax numbers,having to deal with NAHCO/SAHCOL who's main job is to collide with your aircraft ......................... Look at ARIK,GAT can barely contain them,any commercial decision they make they have to take capacity constraints in GAT into consideration,try parking in GAT @#(&%^$#@,and then 419MM2,the most expensive terminal in africa.
You dont need a rocket scientist to run an airline efficiently,you just need the right people in the right places,identifying these people is what makes or mars your airline,thats why cost managers will advise you contract it out till you have the know how.
On the EAS crash,JI wasnt there then,and most of these incidents are caused by tosterone over dozed pilots,the i can "tap" syndrome,prevalent amongst most pilots in Nigeria,probably myself too.
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I think everyone here has a good point and I suppose we are all seeing it from different sides of the prism. Couple of questions, whats the bread situation at VK right now? Is it on time nowadays? How much bread would a 737 skipper take home monthly roughly? Lastly, I'm hearing that the influx of VK pilots to Arik is on the verge of being reversed.
Your comparisons with Emirates, Etihad, and Ethiopian and how they operate and suggesting that a Nigerian carrier should do the same are missing one vital point...................those airlines exist on transfer traffic and the airport facilities are geared up to handle massive transfer passenger flows quickly and efficiently. This policy is supported by the Governments, the airport authorities and the police/security, customs and immigration.
As yet they don't have anything like the point to point traffic that Nigeria enjoys. If there was a will to develop a viable transfer product at Lagos or Abuja, and the Government, Airport Authorities, police/security, customs and immigration joined in positively to make it fast, reliable and easy then the Nigerian Airlines would have a major advantage in pricing as the greater point to point traffic would help subsidise the transfer traffic.
On their own and without political buy in from all involved parties the airlines will not be able to develop a transfer hub in Nigeria. VK was trying to do this but never had the fullest support as other interests wanted the domestic operation out of the International terminal. Always obstacles were placed in the way and the idea of making it easy for passengers to transfer was furthest from the thoughts of anyone outside the airline.
Transit Without Visa? Not a chance, passengers had to pay for a Nigerian Visa even if they were not wishing to enter the country.
International Transfer passengers able to remain airside and not clear through Immigration? No way, they wouldn't need to buy a visa if that happened!!
Transfer Baggage Area airside? No way, Customs have to see the bag even though it is transferring onto another flight to another country so it has to go up with all the other bags.
I could go on but this gives an indication of the infrastructure issues that need to be addressed before anyone can think of becoming an Emirates, Etihad or Ethiopian. The airline and aircraft is only a small part of the problem.
As yet they don't have anything like the point to point traffic that Nigeria enjoys. If there was a will to develop a viable transfer product at Lagos or Abuja, and the Government, Airport Authorities, police/security, customs and immigration joined in positively to make it fast, reliable and easy then the Nigerian Airlines would have a major advantage in pricing as the greater point to point traffic would help subsidise the transfer traffic.
On their own and without political buy in from all involved parties the airlines will not be able to develop a transfer hub in Nigeria. VK was trying to do this but never had the fullest support as other interests wanted the domestic operation out of the International terminal. Always obstacles were placed in the way and the idea of making it easy for passengers to transfer was furthest from the thoughts of anyone outside the airline.
Transit Without Visa? Not a chance, passengers had to pay for a Nigerian Visa even if they were not wishing to enter the country.
International Transfer passengers able to remain airside and not clear through Immigration? No way, they wouldn't need to buy a visa if that happened!!
Transfer Baggage Area airside? No way, Customs have to see the bag even though it is transferring onto another flight to another country so it has to go up with all the other bags.
I could go on but this gives an indication of the infrastructure issues that need to be addressed before anyone can think of becoming an Emirates, Etihad or Ethiopian. The airline and aircraft is only a small part of the problem.
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18L, Surely Not, and Happy Pilot -- you all have very perceptive and interesting views. 18L particularly seems to understand the situation on gorund at VK very well.
Like everyone else I thought JI was a monster: fast-grabbing, fast-talking arrogant SOB billionaire. Surprise! You will actually like him on face-to-face. He is 100% focused on business, and very result-oriented. Reality on ground was that VK was near-comatose, and would have ground to a halt in a matter of weeks, perhaps months -- when JI stepped in. Now there is new life in the airline, funds are available, more aircraft are on the way (already paid for or leased for) and great plans in the offing. Salaries are only one week late and getting better, and you can't miss the new energy in the footsteps of every VK staff.
About the NICON Airways fiasco? JI explained that he had only 20% shares in Nicon Airways, and other big boys in aviation held the rest. In VK for once he has a controlling interest.
I think he knows he bought a very good company. The template created by Virgin is the best I have ever seen -- 90% of the company employees are university graduates and have undergone some of the most rigorous screening -- background and aptitude -- prior to being hired. Here you have a company where lost wallets are usually returned with the contents intact, the workers uniformly above-average in intelligence and work ethic, etc. The brand is powerful, no doubt about that. The company has vision and purpose, and everyThe company is a cash cow just waiting for funds injection, and JI, never one to miss a money-making oppportunity, jumped on it.
As for education, many people don't seem to know that JI is very learned. Apart from degrees in Nigeria, he is a graduate of the Harvard Law School, and counts as his contempraries B. Obama and George Bush. His easy-going, down-to earth manner (sort of like R. Branson) underlie one of the sharpest business minds this side of Dangote.
Look for more and better things to come.
Like everyone else I thought JI was a monster: fast-grabbing, fast-talking arrogant SOB billionaire. Surprise! You will actually like him on face-to-face. He is 100% focused on business, and very result-oriented. Reality on ground was that VK was near-comatose, and would have ground to a halt in a matter of weeks, perhaps months -- when JI stepped in. Now there is new life in the airline, funds are available, more aircraft are on the way (already paid for or leased for) and great plans in the offing. Salaries are only one week late and getting better, and you can't miss the new energy in the footsteps of every VK staff.
About the NICON Airways fiasco? JI explained that he had only 20% shares in Nicon Airways, and other big boys in aviation held the rest. In VK for once he has a controlling interest.
I think he knows he bought a very good company. The template created by Virgin is the best I have ever seen -- 90% of the company employees are university graduates and have undergone some of the most rigorous screening -- background and aptitude -- prior to being hired. Here you have a company where lost wallets are usually returned with the contents intact, the workers uniformly above-average in intelligence and work ethic, etc. The brand is powerful, no doubt about that. The company has vision and purpose, and everyThe company is a cash cow just waiting for funds injection, and JI, never one to miss a money-making oppportunity, jumped on it.
As for education, many people don't seem to know that JI is very learned. Apart from degrees in Nigeria, he is a graduate of the Harvard Law School, and counts as his contempraries B. Obama and George Bush. His easy-going, down-to earth manner (sort of like R. Branson) underlie one of the sharpest business minds this side of Dangote.
Look for more and better things to come.