Cops refuse to employ white pilots
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It's the age old story ... let's play the race card because I can't compete on a level field.
We fired someone, who happened to be black, for theft. He accused us of being racist. We then showed him evidence that he had committed theft and was being fired for theft. His response to that was that he stole because he was trying to get back what our 'fathers' had 'stolen' from his 'fathers'.
Until they grow up and accept responsibility Africa will never progress. Sad but true.
We fired someone, who happened to be black, for theft. He accused us of being racist. We then showed him evidence that he had committed theft and was being fired for theft. His response to that was that he stole because he was trying to get back what our 'fathers' had 'stolen' from his 'fathers'.
Until they grow up and accept responsibility Africa will never progress. Sad but true.
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Reservists
I wish the Police Airwing would be open to the idea of reservists.
One of my mates who flies for an airline does a few days a month for the cops, but he did work for them permanently some time back.
There are loads of highly experienced aviators amongst us that i believe would be only too happy to give a few days out of the month to go fly for the cops on a reservist basis and that way experience and standards would be maintained or transfered at no great cost to the state.
I would be only too happy to volunteer my time as a service to the greater community.
We really don't need attitudes like Hectar's in this country.
One of my mates who flies for an airline does a few days a month for the cops, but he did work for them permanently some time back.
There are loads of highly experienced aviators amongst us that i believe would be only too happy to give a few days out of the month to go fly for the cops on a reservist basis and that way experience and standards would be maintained or transfered at no great cost to the state.
I would be only too happy to volunteer my time as a service to the greater community.
We really don't need attitudes like Hectar's in this country.
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…and to think, that it was my country that played the major part in creating this mess. Least we could do is take more minority whites in. Should you decide to stay, you could qualify for African American affirmative action consideration. Small consolation I know, but well, I’m guiltily at a loss for words.
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at one point you have to understand the government stance. the SAPS Airwing is still a very unrepresentative organisation when it comes to south african demorgraphics. this is not some emotional troll but a fact. you don't even have to do any research. just walk in any unit countrywide. some of them don't even have any non-white pilots and if they do , they are still in very small percentage. the result being that as a minority there, life is not all rosy......
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But if pilots are needed and none are available in the colour and style required (read political persuasion that toes the party line) why not use what is available and willing to do the job? The fact that much needed pilots are not being employed purely on grounds of being the wrong colour sounds very much like the old mob's attitude to me. The ANC must be so proud of sticking to their guns and adhering to Verwoerdian Principles so closely.
Two wrongs have never and will never make a right.
Two wrongs have never and will never make a right.
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cardinall puff, a very good point you raised there and i concur with you that 2 wrongs can't make a right. but tell me my mate, where do you draw the line. do we continue with the status quo where aviation will always be white-dominated. is that what gives you satisfaction?
on the other hand i don't think it's reasonable for the airwing to be grounded because of pilots shortage. which brings me to a question. is there really a shortage in the SAPS airwing? I'll tell you what , there is a lot of inefficient personnel management though. i can pm you what i mean if you want. i was actually very very surprised to read that there is a shortage. i am mulling over e-mailing the minister and ask him in which areas there is a shortage. recently(this month) the was an advert of only 3 qualified pilots countrywide. does that reflect any shortage??? 3 pilot vacancies for the whole year???
on the other hand i don't think it's reasonable for the airwing to be grounded because of pilots shortage. which brings me to a question. is there really a shortage in the SAPS airwing? I'll tell you what , there is a lot of inefficient personnel management though. i can pm you what i mean if you want. i was actually very very surprised to read that there is a shortage. i am mulling over e-mailing the minister and ask him in which areas there is a shortage. recently(this month) the was an advert of only 3 qualified pilots countrywide. does that reflect any shortage??? 3 pilot vacancies for the whole year???
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Doesn't meet the demographics eh? So what?
12% of the population are convicted criminals, so do we want 12% of SAP pilots convicted criminals?
1% of the population are blind, do we want 1% blind pilots?
7% of the population are alcoholics, do we want 7% alcoholic pilots?
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12% of the population are convicted criminals, so do we want 12% of SAP pilots convicted criminals?
1% of the population are blind, do we want 1% blind pilots?
7% of the population are alcoholics, do we want 7% alcoholic pilots?
etc
etc
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Say again?
Aviation will always be dominated by whites? Says who? It looks much more as if you don't have a way, there in South Africa, to select and train suitable aviation candidates from your "previously disadvantaged" majority. Solve that one and you will solve the pilot shortage.
Could part of the problem be that the bright and capable ones have better ways to make a living than by poking holes in the sky? Perhaps terms and conditions for police flying need to be improved to make this sort of work more attractive.
In the meantime, though, to leave a modern police force without air support in the name of "diversity" is Political Correctness gone mad. I assume that someone in charge has taken on the challenge of hiring the handicapped as well as those of suitable race. Just because you are "differently abled" (what used to be called "handicapped") why shouldn't you, too, be a police pilot?
It is good to see that the ANC version of racial justice is being achieved even at the cost of grounding police aircraft. That must send a strong message to the rest of the world in the struggle against inequality if not crime.
Let us see how your World Cup visitors come away from that event, if they are as understanding of being robbed or shot as part of the price of achieving racial justice. Has anyone bothered to check with some of the gangsters to see where they stand on this?
Could part of the problem be that the bright and capable ones have better ways to make a living than by poking holes in the sky? Perhaps terms and conditions for police flying need to be improved to make this sort of work more attractive.
In the meantime, though, to leave a modern police force without air support in the name of "diversity" is Political Correctness gone mad. I assume that someone in charge has taken on the challenge of hiring the handicapped as well as those of suitable race. Just because you are "differently abled" (what used to be called "handicapped") why shouldn't you, too, be a police pilot?
It is good to see that the ANC version of racial justice is being achieved even at the cost of grounding police aircraft. That must send a strong message to the rest of the world in the struggle against inequality if not crime.
Let us see how your World Cup visitors come away from that event, if they are as understanding of being robbed or shot as part of the price of achieving racial justice. Has anyone bothered to check with some of the gangsters to see where they stand on this?
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In the terms of criminal enforcement and the crime solution statistical rates of each commmissioner of police's district, it is probably advantageous that the future pilots are not recruited from the black community. Given the perceived, rumoured or factual financial and bribe corruption amongst the mainly black police force it seems quite likely that any black dominated police air arm would be used as nothing more than a paid conduit by black escaping criminals for the provision of information as to the whereabouts of pursuit ground police forces, thereby enormously aiding evasion and increasing the statisitical chances of success of payroll vehicle hijacks..
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do we continue with the status quo where aviation will always be white-dominated. is that what gives you satisfaction?
Where in the hell do you come up with that one? What gives me satisfaction is no concern of yours, but to enlighten you, what would give me a great deal of satisfaction would be to have a police force that can do the job efficiently and competently without the ANC's racial baggage clouding the issue and making it impossible to hire crews because of their race. Quite frankly I don't care who flies up front, as long as they can do the job properly and are not a drain on the fiscus. Excluding people because of their race is just the same old crap all over again. Of all people out there, you'd have thought the ANC would have learned a lesson and would never allow race to become an issue again.
Verwoerd's shade must be wetting himself laughing.
I am willing to bet that the SA government has some 'people' in training, almost certainly in a foreign country somewhere, currently on the go. That foreign country will probably have done a trade deal with SA, for example, "We will train a few pilots for you, whilst in return you do us a deal on cheap diamonds/gold/food/whatever".
That 'training' will be mediocre at best, and it will be given to a cadre of politically connected people (those of the correct political persuasion). Let me be clear that these people will not have been chosen for their aptitude, merely their political connections. They will suddenly turn up back in SA, claiming all the qualifications under the sun, and begin 'operating' in those currently unoccupied posts in the police. Shortly thereafter you will see aviation hardware coming to grief in unnatural and bent poses all over the place, some of it pretty terminal. One only has to look just north of the border in SA to see the precedents for that.
Africa doesn't 'do' democracy. It isn't part of the accepted culture. Think back (and not that far, either ....) to the kings and chiefs of the various tribes and kingdoms. They were not elected, they were chosen by a few, or ordained by birth and/or 'connections'.
That 'training' will be mediocre at best, and it will be given to a cadre of politically connected people (those of the correct political persuasion). Let me be clear that these people will not have been chosen for their aptitude, merely their political connections. They will suddenly turn up back in SA, claiming all the qualifications under the sun, and begin 'operating' in those currently unoccupied posts in the police. Shortly thereafter you will see aviation hardware coming to grief in unnatural and bent poses all over the place, some of it pretty terminal. One only has to look just north of the border in SA to see the precedents for that.
Africa doesn't 'do' democracy. It isn't part of the accepted culture. Think back (and not that far, either ....) to the kings and chiefs of the various tribes and kingdoms. They were not elected, they were chosen by a few, or ordained by birth and/or 'connections'.
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CP, i was not asking the question to you directly. i voice my opinions in the forums not directed to a person but on the thread as a whole, so relax a bit. anyway you said what satisfy you is of no concern but you went ahead and explained what satisfies you anyway.
okay, can i just say one more thing here and i don't think i would have much more than this because we are in circles and scraping at the bottom.
the issue here is Affirmative Action. the policy written in the South African law and was negotiated before the end of apartheid along with others like the 'sunset clause'(for those not in the know, this basically said the previously advantaged can keep their spoils regardless of how ill-gotten they were and stop now, i didn't say all was ill-gotten). negotiators from both camps had to give and take, so maybe you could put some blame to those.
AA was agreed by both to give the disenfranchised the opportunity, not to prevent one group from participating. the problem came when some people were not interested in levelling the playfield and things are just carrying on as before. what then. how long can this be. and remember SAPS is a public organisation so it must be seen being in the forefront on addressing this.the thing is if they don't , private companies won't even look at it. they are not interested at all. if black pilots can't seek refuge at a public organisation, who's gonna hear their cries to put the foot in the door.
i know i made it a tad too long but it saves me from having to explain twice.
i'll tell you what satisfy me, even though maybe it's not a concern to some. the pilots in SA all in a united front , without any prejudicial myopia , working against forces that threatens aviation like too much red tape, safety, escalating costs etc. i have experienced in other countries how different races can work harmoniously in this industry, why not in SA?
okay, can i just say one more thing here and i don't think i would have much more than this because we are in circles and scraping at the bottom.
the issue here is Affirmative Action. the policy written in the South African law and was negotiated before the end of apartheid along with others like the 'sunset clause'(for those not in the know, this basically said the previously advantaged can keep their spoils regardless of how ill-gotten they were and stop now, i didn't say all was ill-gotten). negotiators from both camps had to give and take, so maybe you could put some blame to those.
AA was agreed by both to give the disenfranchised the opportunity, not to prevent one group from participating. the problem came when some people were not interested in levelling the playfield and things are just carrying on as before. what then. how long can this be. and remember SAPS is a public organisation so it must be seen being in the forefront on addressing this.the thing is if they don't , private companies won't even look at it. they are not interested at all. if black pilots can't seek refuge at a public organisation, who's gonna hear their cries to put the foot in the door.
i know i made it a tad too long but it saves me from having to explain twice.
i'll tell you what satisfy me, even though maybe it's not a concern to some. the pilots in SA all in a united front , without any prejudicial myopia , working against forces that threatens aviation like too much red tape, safety, escalating costs etc. i have experienced in other countries how different races can work harmoniously in this industry, why not in SA?
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Is whining and complaining the national S. African hobby? Give it a rest, please. "Henrikk Van Dewhatever didn't get the job because he's a whitey", " Tom didn't get the job because he's black"....blah, blah, blah. Talk about something else for crying out loud.
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Contrails, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to debate the subject, do some research before stating inaccuracies as fact.
Wrong! That was addressed directly to me. As I said, it's no concern of yours but I then went on to explain what would satisfy me and a lot of other South Africans. That was done purely as a courtesy to you but you're obviously too pig ignorant to see that.
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Small minded comments like yours regarding what is a very hot issue in a country that is in imminent danger of collapse and taking the Zimbabwe option, say more about you than those you attempt to denigrate.
cardinall puff, a very good point you raised there and i concur with you that 2 wrongs can't make a right. but tell me my mate, where do you draw the line. do we continue with the status quo where aviation will always be white-dominated. is that what gives you satisfaction?
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Small minded comments like yours regarding what is a very hot issue in a country that is in imminent danger of collapse and taking the Zimbabwe option, say more about you than those you attempt to denigrate.