SA Airlink J41 crash
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Can anyone pin point the accident site on Google?
www.avcom.co.za
I just can't get it copied here?
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I was at the airport and watched this aircraft take off.
On the runway it was in my opinion spewing way more light grey smoke that Ive previously seen on these aircraft. Then about 2-3 seconds after take off later there was a largeish puff of black smoke....then it disappeared from my view.
In light of the fact that this aircraft was full of fuel and that everyone is out and stable.....KUDOS to the pilot!!!
On the runway it was in my opinion spewing way more light grey smoke that Ive previously seen on these aircraft. Then about 2-3 seconds after take off later there was a largeish puff of black smoke....then it disappeared from my view.
In light of the fact that this aircraft was full of fuel and that everyone is out and stable.....KUDOS to the pilot!!!
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Wrong fuel???
Leftfoot, thanks for the feedback. I would be interested to know if the aircraft had been recently re-fuelled at Durban. I would be speculating here (this is after all a rumour forum) but would Avgas in a turboprop designed for Jet A1 cause the symptoms you describe?
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Just heard on the news that the crew are all in a stable condition. Capt. being operated on for a broken ankle and other relatively minor injuries. Didn't get the other details.
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Once the dust settles, it's going to be interesting to see how the company, manufacturer, and authorities start distancing themselves from the pilots.
The captain of the BA 777 that pranged on short final, is currently unemployed! Even after being labelled a hero for saving all those lives.
Luckily the Link co-pilot is an ALPA-SA member though...
The captain of the BA 777 that pranged on short final, is currently unemployed! Even after being labelled a hero for saving all those lives.
Luckily the Link co-pilot is an ALPA-SA member though...
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Captain was the same guy who was carried out of this Islander after a miraculous escape following an attempt to beat the VMCA curve at another airport in Durban a few years ago.
Lucky guy.
Lucky guy.
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JOHANNESBURG - Airlink would like to provide an update on the status of
its positioning flight (ferry flight), SA 8911 from Durban to
Pietermaritzburg which was involved in an accident at 08h00 on Thursday 24
September 2009 . There were no passengers on board and no fatalities.
Our three crew members and a bystander on the ground are in hospital in
Durban receiving medical attention for their injuries.
1. Flight Attendant Rodelle Oosthuizen sustained facial and back
injuries. She is stable and will be operated on today.
2. Capt Alistair Freeman sustained multiple injuries including facial
fractures, broken ribs and ankle and a suspected punctured lung. He is
still critical but stable and will be operated on his legs today, once the
facial swelling has reduced his facial fractures will be attended to.
3. First Officer Sonja Bierman also sustained multiple injuries. She is
in a stable condition and currently under sedation. She has broken both her ankles and a hand and has sustained fractures in the pelvic area and chest. Her ankles were operated on successfully yesterday.
4. The member of the public, Mr Abraham Mthethwa sustained leg
fractures and will be operated on today, He is critical but in a stable
condition.
5. Airlink can confirm that the wreckage of the aircraft has been
released to Airlink's on-site technical team, who are working closely with
the South African Civil Aviation authority in its investigation of the
accident. The digital flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder have
been retrieved and will be analyzed. The original equipment manufacturer
BAE SYSTEMS PLC has dispatched a team of technical experts to assist with the investigation should they be required by the SACAA.
Airlink executive management is at the hospital to support the Family and
loved ones and the injured personnel. Airlink can also confirm that trauma
counseling for the Family members has been arranged for today.
The aircraft a Jetstream 41 (29 seats) departed from Durban International
Airport and shortly after take-off declared an emergency. It had been
reported on the active Air Traffic Control radio channel by other pilots and
air traffic controllers that smoke was seen coming from one of the engines. The crew then reported that they had encountered engine loss of power and they declared an emergency.
The aircraft ditched approx 400 m off the Airport. It appears that the crew was executing a forced emergency landing. They had selected a small open field in the built up area which was clearly not adequate for this purpose. The aircraft impacted a concrete palisade fence and columns and came to rest on the sports field of Merebank High school in the Bluff area.
It is remarkable that the skill and expertise of the pilots was such that in
this emergency they were able to pilot their aircraft to avoid contact with
members of the public and buildings and that a major catastrophe was
averted. Pilots are specifically trained for engine "power loss on takeoff"
emergencies, and clearly this training has played its role. As luck would
have it, due to it being a public holiday, there were no learners at school
at the time.
Airlink has taken care of the travel and hotel accommodation arrangements for immediate family to be at the side of their loved ones.
Airlink advises that its scheduled air services have not been disrupted .
Operations continue as normal.
Journalists should call 082 854 1988 for further information.
Issued for Airlink
KARIN MURRAY
its positioning flight (ferry flight), SA 8911 from Durban to
Pietermaritzburg which was involved in an accident at 08h00 on Thursday 24
September 2009 . There were no passengers on board and no fatalities.
Our three crew members and a bystander on the ground are in hospital in
Durban receiving medical attention for their injuries.
1. Flight Attendant Rodelle Oosthuizen sustained facial and back
injuries. She is stable and will be operated on today.
2. Capt Alistair Freeman sustained multiple injuries including facial
fractures, broken ribs and ankle and a suspected punctured lung. He is
still critical but stable and will be operated on his legs today, once the
facial swelling has reduced his facial fractures will be attended to.
3. First Officer Sonja Bierman also sustained multiple injuries. She is
in a stable condition and currently under sedation. She has broken both her ankles and a hand and has sustained fractures in the pelvic area and chest. Her ankles were operated on successfully yesterday.
4. The member of the public, Mr Abraham Mthethwa sustained leg
fractures and will be operated on today, He is critical but in a stable
condition.
5. Airlink can confirm that the wreckage of the aircraft has been
released to Airlink's on-site technical team, who are working closely with
the South African Civil Aviation authority in its investigation of the
accident. The digital flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder have
been retrieved and will be analyzed. The original equipment manufacturer
BAE SYSTEMS PLC has dispatched a team of technical experts to assist with the investigation should they be required by the SACAA.
Airlink executive management is at the hospital to support the Family and
loved ones and the injured personnel. Airlink can also confirm that trauma
counseling for the Family members has been arranged for today.
The aircraft a Jetstream 41 (29 seats) departed from Durban International
Airport and shortly after take-off declared an emergency. It had been
reported on the active Air Traffic Control radio channel by other pilots and
air traffic controllers that smoke was seen coming from one of the engines. The crew then reported that they had encountered engine loss of power and they declared an emergency.
The aircraft ditched approx 400 m off the Airport. It appears that the crew was executing a forced emergency landing. They had selected a small open field in the built up area which was clearly not adequate for this purpose. The aircraft impacted a concrete palisade fence and columns and came to rest on the sports field of Merebank High school in the Bluff area.
It is remarkable that the skill and expertise of the pilots was such that in
this emergency they were able to pilot their aircraft to avoid contact with
members of the public and buildings and that a major catastrophe was
averted. Pilots are specifically trained for engine "power loss on takeoff"
emergencies, and clearly this training has played its role. As luck would
have it, due to it being a public holiday, there were no learners at school
at the time.
Airlink has taken care of the travel and hotel accommodation arrangements for immediate family to be at the side of their loved ones.
Airlink advises that its scheduled air services have not been disrupted .
Operations continue as normal.
Journalists should call 082 854 1988 for further information.
Issued for Airlink
KARIN MURRAY
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One can only hope the Islander wasnt a prelude to this accident, and that something extraordinary occured that made this aircraft go down. The turbo-prop aircraft I am familiar with will fly perfectly well on Avgas though... Does anyone know if there is a restriction on the use of Avgas in the J41? I'm left pondering the thought of a possible dual engine failure.
Reason being the aircraft should be able to sustain level flight for long enough for a proficient crew after identifying an engine-out, to monitor Auto-feather, and if need be, manually feather said failed engine. The only reason I can therefore think of (barring pilot error) for the left hand engine not to have been feathered by the crew, is that they lost both, and therefore had to focus all efforts on a forced landing.
Can any J41 rated pilots please shed some light as to the performance characteristics of the J41 on one engine, with the inoperative windmilling...?
Good luck to the crew... hope they recover quickly.
D431
Reason being the aircraft should be able to sustain level flight for long enough for a proficient crew after identifying an engine-out, to monitor Auto-feather, and if need be, manually feather said failed engine. The only reason I can therefore think of (barring pilot error) for the left hand engine not to have been feathered by the crew, is that they lost both, and therefore had to focus all efforts on a forced landing.
Can any J41 rated pilots please shed some light as to the performance characteristics of the J41 on one engine, with the inoperative windmilling...?
Good luck to the crew... hope they recover quickly.
D431
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The only way to get AVGAS in your a/c at DUR is to physically taxi up to the AVGAS pump and fill it up. All the trucks and the underground pressure points handle only Jet A1.
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PROBABLE CAUSE: "The pilot employed a incorrect go-around technique and took inappropriate actions during the emergency situation, which aggravated the situation.
Contributory Factors:
(i). Prevalent carburettor icing probability conditions for any power setting.
(ii). Lack of experience of the pilot on the aircraft type."
PROBABLE CAUSE: "The pilot employed a incorrect go-around technique and took inappropriate actions during the emergency situation, which aggravated the situation.
Contributory Factors:
(i). Prevalent carburettor icing probability conditions for any power setting.
(ii). Lack of experience of the pilot on the aircraft type."
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Heard that the no 2 engine was smoking on the take off run.If you look at the pictures you can appreciate that the no 1 engine was not feathered and clearly not generating power. The no 2 engine was still generating partial power.I sincerely hope they did not shut the wrong engine down..We can only speculate until the investigation is over..
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Airlink can confirm that the wreckage of the aircraft has been
released to Airlink's on-site technical team, who are working closely with
the South African Civil Aviation authority in its investigation of the
accident. The digital flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder have
been retrieved and will be analyzed. The original equipment manufacturer
BAE SYSTEMS PLC has dispatched a team of technical experts to assist with the investigation should they be required by the SACAA.
It's that last little bit about should they be required that might cause the sceptical a little unease. Is there any possibility that BAE would not be required to assist?
The even more sceptical might question why the wreckage had been released to Airlink engineers ( presumably) before the manufacturers crash team had arrived.
released to Airlink's on-site technical team, who are working closely with
the South African Civil Aviation authority in its investigation of the
accident. The digital flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder have
been retrieved and will be analyzed. The original equipment manufacturer
BAE SYSTEMS PLC has dispatched a team of technical experts to assist with the investigation should they be required by the SACAA.
It's that last little bit about should they be required that might cause the sceptical a little unease. Is there any possibility that BAE would not be required to assist?
The even more sceptical might question why the wreckage had been released to Airlink engineers ( presumably) before the manufacturers crash team had arrived.
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What would the procedure be after and engine fail in Airlink on the Jetsteam 41? In our airline, the pilot flying (PF) confirms and reduces the thrust lever of the affected engine, and then the PNF will continue the ECAM action and confirm and cut the engine master, as per ECAM. (A330/A340)
Who confirms and hands on feathers a dead engine in Airlink?
Who confirms and hands on feathers a dead engine in Airlink?
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The last time I flew a multi-engine,multi crew turbo prop, the"feather" of the "dead engine" manually was done by the pilot NOT flying after confirmation af the pilot Flying that he or she agrees that the correct( or shall I say"the dead")engine was identified before the pilot NOT flying feathers the engine( This procedure I would would like to believe is standard practice in all multi crew enviroments) whether it's a turbo prop or a jet, you DON'T just shut down systems( pull fuel handles or disconnnect generators etc) without the other party's( other pilots agreement with you on the situation) ! Just my humble 2 cents on this.
I think the crew did a very good job on this !! Wishing them all a speedy recovery,including the poor chap on the ground .
I think the crew did a very good job on this !! Wishing them all a speedy recovery,including the poor chap on the ground .
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Again Al, Kathy, Shannon, Dylan and I have you at the absolute forefront of our prayers. TO YOU, YOUR CREW, YOUR BEAUTIFUL FAMILIES, we wish you only the best.
Lindsay
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