Two Air Mishaps Averted In Lagos And Abuja
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Two Air Mishaps Averted In Lagos And Abuja
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I saw this in my news feeds folder.Any body with additional info please?
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NIGERIA'S airspace, which not too long ago, was serially traumatized by accidents, was saved from two major air mishaps yesterday in Lagos and Abuja. A total of 263 lives were saved in the two incidents.
An IRS airbus Fokker 100 with registration number 5NCEO scheduled to leave Lagos at about 7.30 pm en-route Abuja-Kano and Maiduguri developed flat tyres while taxiing on the the Murtala Muhammed Airport runway, and veered off into the surrounding field. Two of its tyres reportedly went flat while preparing to take off. The 101 passengers and seven crew members on board were immediately evacuated, with some of them being taken to hospitals for minor treatment to injuries sustained in the panic that ensued in the belly of the aircraft.
Spokesman for the airline, Solomon Ibharunefe, confirmed the incident but told The Guardian that the aircraft had run into sharp objects ("debris") on the runway, which then punctured the tyres. He, however, said that the passengers had been well taken care of.
The Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria, FAAN also affirmed that the aircraft had been towed to the cargo apron of the airport.
In Abuja, A British Airways aircraft, Boeing 777, with registration number 11H with 155 passengers was discovered to have developed fire in its engines after it had taken off from the Nnamdi Azikwe Airport at about 10am. It was therefore diverted to the Kano airport.
In a statement late released a few minutes to midnight by the BA public relations consultant, Quadrant company, said that the aircraft "declared a PAN on approach to Abuja this morning".
It continued: "The BA82 Abuja Heathrow flight was diverted to Kano in Nigeria.
"The flight crew detected smoke in the cockpit and took the decision to divert as a precaution.
The aircraft was inspected by engineers, who thought they had fixed the problem by isolating an air conditioning pack.
"Approximately 60 minutes into the return BA82 Abuja Heathrow flight, smoke was again detected in the cockpit.
"The flight crew went on to oxygen and while passengers in First and Club were believed to have smelled smoke, oxygen masks were not deployed.
" There are 155 passengers on board.
The Captain took the decision to declare a PAN and diverted to Kano (Airport code KAN).
"The aircraft landed safely in Kano.
" The passengers are on the aircraft at the moment".
However, a distraught parent of one of the passengers, lamented that it was inhuman for the airline to keep the passengers "from 4pm to this time (11pm)." She continued: Why does the BA have to treat the passengers like animals, keeping them for a clear six hours in the aircraft? As I am talking to you, they are still on board, hungry, tired and uncertain of their fate; and without any notification on when their ordeal would be over". She stressed: "Why would they treat the passengers in such a cruel manner. Can they do that to their own citizens? They can only do that to Nigerians".
But BA officials claimed that they had indeed appealed to the understanding of the passengers, and were working on how to sort them out. They delay, they said was caused by the fact that they did not have operation staff on the ground in Kano, and had to deploy experts from Abuja at about 7pm, who had to travel for at least four hours to get to the Kano airport.
Said the statement from the BA Pr consultants, "It is a five hour drive for engineers based in Abuja to reach Kano to inspect the aircraft.
"BA is looking at bringing an aircraft currently in Dubai across to Kano to pick up the passengers, subject to the crew in Kano receiving sufficient rest.
"This could prove difficult if there are no hotel rooms".
The airline's statement concluded: "We apologise to passengers for the inconvenience caused".
By Wole Sadare
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NIGERIA'S airspace, which not too long ago, was serially traumatized by accidents, was saved from two major air mishaps yesterday in Lagos and Abuja. A total of 263 lives were saved in the two incidents.
An IRS airbus Fokker 100 with registration number 5NCEO scheduled to leave Lagos at about 7.30 pm en-route Abuja-Kano and Maiduguri developed flat tyres while taxiing on the the Murtala Muhammed Airport runway, and veered off into the surrounding field. Two of its tyres reportedly went flat while preparing to take off. The 101 passengers and seven crew members on board were immediately evacuated, with some of them being taken to hospitals for minor treatment to injuries sustained in the panic that ensued in the belly of the aircraft.
Spokesman for the airline, Solomon Ibharunefe, confirmed the incident but told The Guardian that the aircraft had run into sharp objects ("debris") on the runway, which then punctured the tyres. He, however, said that the passengers had been well taken care of.
The Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria, FAAN also affirmed that the aircraft had been towed to the cargo apron of the airport.
In Abuja, A British Airways aircraft, Boeing 777, with registration number 11H with 155 passengers was discovered to have developed fire in its engines after it had taken off from the Nnamdi Azikwe Airport at about 10am. It was therefore diverted to the Kano airport.
In a statement late released a few minutes to midnight by the BA public relations consultant, Quadrant company, said that the aircraft "declared a PAN on approach to Abuja this morning".
It continued: "The BA82 Abuja Heathrow flight was diverted to Kano in Nigeria.
"The flight crew detected smoke in the cockpit and took the decision to divert as a precaution.
The aircraft was inspected by engineers, who thought they had fixed the problem by isolating an air conditioning pack.
"Approximately 60 minutes into the return BA82 Abuja Heathrow flight, smoke was again detected in the cockpit.
"The flight crew went on to oxygen and while passengers in First and Club were believed to have smelled smoke, oxygen masks were not deployed.
" There are 155 passengers on board.
The Captain took the decision to declare a PAN and diverted to Kano (Airport code KAN).
"The aircraft landed safely in Kano.
" The passengers are on the aircraft at the moment".
However, a distraught parent of one of the passengers, lamented that it was inhuman for the airline to keep the passengers "from 4pm to this time (11pm)." She continued: Why does the BA have to treat the passengers like animals, keeping them for a clear six hours in the aircraft? As I am talking to you, they are still on board, hungry, tired and uncertain of their fate; and without any notification on when their ordeal would be over". She stressed: "Why would they treat the passengers in such a cruel manner. Can they do that to their own citizens? They can only do that to Nigerians".
But BA officials claimed that they had indeed appealed to the understanding of the passengers, and were working on how to sort them out. They delay, they said was caused by the fact that they did not have operation staff on the ground in Kano, and had to deploy experts from Abuja at about 7pm, who had to travel for at least four hours to get to the Kano airport.
Said the statement from the BA Pr consultants, "It is a five hour drive for engineers based in Abuja to reach Kano to inspect the aircraft.
"BA is looking at bringing an aircraft currently in Dubai across to Kano to pick up the passengers, subject to the crew in Kano receiving sufficient rest.
"This could prove difficult if there are no hotel rooms".
The airline's statement concluded: "We apologise to passengers for the inconvenience caused".
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The question has to be asked why BA continue to fly to Nigeria at all.
With the state of the airports & air-traffic control, the risks seem to be quite large.
Whilst visiting Lagos, I once spoke to the crew of a BA flight that said they wished they didn't have to keep coming here (if you're fortunate enough to arrive safely, you still have to contend with the bus-ride to the hotel!)
I would be interested to hear other crews thoughts on this.
With the state of the airports & air-traffic control, the risks seem to be quite large.
Whilst visiting Lagos, I once spoke to the crew of a BA flight that said they wished they didn't have to keep coming here (if you're fortunate enough to arrive safely, you still have to contend with the bus-ride to the hotel!)
I would be interested to hear other crews thoughts on this.
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I know the problem was internal, but read the facts in the article (there always seems to be a problem with facilities in Nigeria)!
"" She continued: Why does the BA have to treat the passengers like animals, keeping them for a clear six hours in the aircraft? As I am talking to you, they are still on board, hungry, tired and uncertain of their fate; and without any notification on when their ordeal would be over". She stressed: "Why would they treat the passengers in such a cruel manner. Can they do that to their own citizens? They can only do that to Nigerians".
But BA officials claimed that they had indeed appealed to the understanding of the passengers, and were working on how to sort them out. They delay, they said was caused by the fact that they did not have operation staff on the ground in Kano, and had to deploy experts from Abuja at about 7pm, who had to travel for at least four hours to get to the Kano airport.
Said the statement from the BA Pr consultants, "It is a five hour drive for engineers based in Abuja to reach Kano to inspect the aircraft"
By the way I got to Lagos with SAA !!
"" She continued: Why does the BA have to treat the passengers like animals, keeping them for a clear six hours in the aircraft? As I am talking to you, they are still on board, hungry, tired and uncertain of their fate; and without any notification on when their ordeal would be over". She stressed: "Why would they treat the passengers in such a cruel manner. Can they do that to their own citizens? They can only do that to Nigerians".
But BA officials claimed that they had indeed appealed to the understanding of the passengers, and were working on how to sort them out. They delay, they said was caused by the fact that they did not have operation staff on the ground in Kano, and had to deploy experts from Abuja at about 7pm, who had to travel for at least four hours to get to the Kano airport.
Said the statement from the BA Pr consultants, "It is a five hour drive for engineers based in Abuja to reach Kano to inspect the aircraft"
By the way I got to Lagos with SAA !!
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Flightsimman,
I wont go into a long speech about what is or what's not in Nigeria.
The one thing i will say though, is I do hope British Airways would get their hides out of Nigeria!!!!!!
Not surprising, the Aussie would jump to the support of it's colonial master!
Lagos happens to be one of the most lucrative routes operated by British Airways; Should they leave Lagos, i assure you, they'll be letting go of staff in a month!!
Its the only route in the world that has a total flight time of 5hrs 50mins and costs over £1000 for a cattle class ticket!!!!
It would make us happier if you ALL do not go to Nigeria, that way,. we would not have to hear the garbage that comes out of your 4R$eholes each time Nigeria is mentioned.
I can say a lot about London and Sydney, but i don't.
It's called using your head!!!
I wont go into a long speech about what is or what's not in Nigeria.
The one thing i will say though, is I do hope British Airways would get their hides out of Nigeria!!!!!!
Not surprising, the Aussie would jump to the support of it's colonial master!
Lagos happens to be one of the most lucrative routes operated by British Airways; Should they leave Lagos, i assure you, they'll be letting go of staff in a month!!
Its the only route in the world that has a total flight time of 5hrs 50mins and costs over £1000 for a cattle class ticket!!!!
It would make us happier if you ALL do not go to Nigeria, that way,. we would not have to hear the garbage that comes out of your 4R$eholes each time Nigeria is mentioned.
I can say a lot about London and Sydney, but i don't.
It's called using your head!!!
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Come on, LJT get over yourself.
The reason they charge that much is because that's what its worth to go to Lagosand the strong support they get ensures it will continue. You forget that the majority of the pax on that highly lucrative route are your fellow nationals going shopping and rushing off to the land of milk and money.
The expats that go to Nigeria to work there are filling a capability that you guys are not capable of doing for any decent length of time before it all falls down. If you think I am being unfair or biased then look at Bellview for an example - I flew with them on an F- registered machine form Lagos to Abidjan on a few occasions and it was great. Fast forward to the point where the planes are on the 5N register and where are they now??
When PENGASSAN went on strike in Escravos and the Nationals walked off the job yet again the Expats kept the show running and when the strike was over and the guys came back to work, production actually dropped!
The reason they charge that much is because that's what its worth to go to Lagosand the strong support they get ensures it will continue. You forget that the majority of the pax on that highly lucrative route are your fellow nationals going shopping and rushing off to the land of milk and money.
The expats that go to Nigeria to work there are filling a capability that you guys are not capable of doing for any decent length of time before it all falls down. If you think I am being unfair or biased then look at Bellview for an example - I flew with them on an F- registered machine form Lagos to Abidjan on a few occasions and it was great. Fast forward to the point where the planes are on the 5N register and where are they now??
When PENGASSAN went on strike in Escravos and the Nationals walked off the job yet again the Expats kept the show running and when the strike was over and the guys came back to work, production actually dropped!
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unstable load,
Get over myself?
Wow!!! Thats a first!
What its worth? Hahahaha. I have not heard this much cod's wallop in a while!
I want you to define what and where you think is the land of 'milk and honey'!!??
What?
They improve your economy and you sound like you're doing us a favour?? You must be out of your mind!
You refer to Bellview using F registered airplanes? I must ask you to get your facts straight! I flew both of those airplanes and one of which is now being used as spares for the last flying one!!!
Mind you, though F registered, they were all operated by Nigerians!!!!!
For you re-education, when the locals go on strike, it's because they are fighting for basic rights; It pays the Expats to stay on because they don't have a problem in the world!
They are escorted round in SUV's, given cooks, Gardner's, cleaners, drivers etc.
Tell me, can you afford all those things in your neck of the woods???
YOU're the one who needs to get over himself mate!!!
Get over myself?
Wow!!! Thats a first!
What its worth? Hahahaha. I have not heard this much cod's wallop in a while!
I want you to define what and where you think is the land of 'milk and honey'!!??
What?
They improve your economy and you sound like you're doing us a favour?? You must be out of your mind!
You refer to Bellview using F registered airplanes? I must ask you to get your facts straight! I flew both of those airplanes and one of which is now being used as spares for the last flying one!!!
Mind you, though F registered, they were all operated by Nigerians!!!!!
For you re-education, when the locals go on strike, it's because they are fighting for basic rights; It pays the Expats to stay on because they don't have a problem in the world!
They are escorted round in SUV's, given cooks, Gardner's, cleaners, drivers etc.
Tell me, can you afford all those things in your neck of the woods???
YOU're the one who needs to get over himself mate!!!
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BA fly to a lot of destinations in Africa. That means flying over Africa. Flying to Cape Town one flies over Nigeria and faced with an emergency requiring a landing the crew have the same limited choices. Passenger delays and discomfort would be one of the last things on my mind if I thought I had a potential fire and needed to get on the ground. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Surely it is better to have the aircraft and passengers safely parked up than a possible smoldering heap.
Once again I am bemused on how people love to bash BA. There will be a team working to get those passengers, crew and aircraft recovered as quickly as possible, but then for those of us who know and love Africa, there will be obstacles to overcome, which are not found in other parts of the world.
Once again I am bemused on how people love to bash BA. There will be a team working to get those passengers, crew and aircraft recovered as quickly as possible, but then for those of us who know and love Africa, there will be obstacles to overcome, which are not found in other parts of the world.
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Unstable load, I flew for bellview and the F registered aircraft was flown and maintained to the same standards that bellview maintained the 5N registered aircraft by Africans. I agree with you on the fact that BA is full of Nigerians going shopping and going on hols. I feel however you seem biased against Nigeria and our Aviation industry. If you feel bellview is a good example of a good Nigerian carrier then i feel you need to raise your standards somewhat (no disrespect to bellview). I have flown out of Lagos on lots of carriers and really BA is the most disrespectful.
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flightsimman,what does diverting to an airport were you dont have staff there have to do with facilities?It is a five hour drive from abuja to kano
BA is still preferred by the Nigerian Elite,first and biz classes are always oversold,and no doubt lagos is about its most profitable route.
BA can never leave lagos,irony is the same folks who complain about BA,still fly BA.
The so called boycott,never happened,and the boycott people themselves have been sighted on BA flights.
Dont think the problem is with BA!
Nigerians!
BA is still preferred by the Nigerian Elite,first and biz classes are always oversold,and no doubt lagos is about its most profitable route.
BA can never leave lagos,irony is the same folks who complain about BA,still fly BA.
The so called boycott,never happened,and the boycott people themselves have been sighted on BA flights.
Dont think the problem is with BA!
Nigerians!
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you forgot to say that wich the F100 lock on the rwy ( just one rwy at night in lagos ) , the AF and KLM have to diverts..
normal pocedure just 2 or 3 hours delay
normal pocedure just 2 or 3 hours delay
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NIJASEA,
Please allow me to clarify my point if I may.
I am not biased towards Nigerians or your aviation industry.
What I AM biased againsed is someone with the attitude that LJT displays from time to time where the Expats working in and for his country and others that serve the periferal industries are considered to be leeches and exploiters of the excellence that is Nigeria and her people.
It is a refrain that is heard all over the world, and most loudly in my homeland, South Africa where all the problems of the land are the fault of and were caused by the white man. What many seem to overlook is that while the colonial "system" was far from perfect and was indeed exploitive, when it was finally kicked out or voted out, it by and large left behind it a country that had a functioning and intact infrastructure that then took not too long to degenerate to the state it is now in. All the while the decline is blamed on the whites who had the cheeck to run off and stop maintaining the stuff, thus allowing it to get into rack and ruin.
As for your aviation industry, my involvement in it was in the helicopter section where I worked with Nigerian engineers and pilots, some of whome were first class and some rather less - much like any other country, I might add.
My point about the Bellview flights I did was to illustrate that regardless of where or by whom the F-reg machine/s were maintained, Bellview was at the time a respected part of the industry in Nigeria and once the machines went onto the 5N-reg it all went south.
As for needing to raise my standards with regard to the industry, I say absolutely I do. It has been some years since I was in your country and by way of illustration, Bellview were still flying F-reg metal, Chanchangi was still in business (albeit tenuously) and Chrome was on the ramp at MMIA and the collection of hulls parked in the bushes across the apron from PAAN and the old Concorde hangar had only recently been removed, so it has been a while.
I worked in Nigeria for almost 7 years and by and large I had a good time there. My contact with your people was mostly hassle free, I was not mugged, scammed, 419'd, shot or anything bad which is, for me at least, a positive sign. As with anywhere there were the ones who considered me and my fellow expats to be an irritation and a target for racial and other attacks and they got short change from me.
I do not suffer from what has been termed "the white conscience". I do not feel guilty that I am white because I had nothing to do with that decision. Historically, my family never supported the National government in South Africa, but as the minority of the voting population had little choice but to make do with an imperfect world. I grew up on a farm and my father tried as far as possible to treat his staff with dignity and respect, and I believe he taught me the same respect.
What gets up my nose is a person who blames me and my "type" for the ills that befall him. Let's be blunt here for a second - tell me what the white man has done to facilitate the decline of the Nigerian industry and it's infrastrcture please. Which whitey stopped the trains running, allowed the festering of tribalism that has led to MEND and similar festering sores, created the current incarnation of a phone system, turned off the power stations, and closed the refineries?
Now take that question for the sake of fairness to the rest of Africa just to illustrate that I am not Nigeria bashing and the answer becomes clear - It has been self inflicted.
If I have offended you, I apologise, but understand me when I say that by and large the white man is not responsible for the current state of affairs in Africa.
As fot you, LJT...
You mean like the recent case of the SAA crew that were caught at Heathrow with a few hundred grands worth of drugs? Where it turns out the security guard who "checked their bags" in Jozi and got herself arrested was married to a Nigerian who it seems is part of an international drug ring?
Believe me, that sort of enrichment we can do without, thank you.
Why aren't the ALL still flying, and in the same conditition they were then?
Apart from being occasionally hijacked and sometimes killed when they get caught up in the middle of the mess that your government has created with the oil dollars and their distribution to the masses.
I don't drive an SUV, but I do have a housekeeper and a gardener, while I prefer to drive myself like I would have preferred in Nigeria if it was not made compulsory by the company in order to create the jobs that your government can't be bothered to do themselves.
How come those basic rights are not afforded to the people whose land has been dug up to allow for the industry that gives the strikers the opportunity to strike in the first place? Maybe it's to do with greed and corruption, which if it were a national sport would guarantee Nigeria a clean sweep of gold medals at the All Africa Games despite stiff competition from Zimbabwe.
I don't need to get over anything at all. I still communicate with my Nigerian friends from time to time and my dreams at night are not haunted by the likes of you.
I do believe though that you need to take a step back and take a long hard look at what you consider to be the ideal. Unless that is you are a part of the elite who benefit from the exploitation that you blame me for, in which case it's best left well alone then, right?
Please allow me to clarify my point if I may.
I am not biased towards Nigerians or your aviation industry.
What I AM biased againsed is someone with the attitude that LJT displays from time to time where the Expats working in and for his country and others that serve the periferal industries are considered to be leeches and exploiters of the excellence that is Nigeria and her people.
It is a refrain that is heard all over the world, and most loudly in my homeland, South Africa where all the problems of the land are the fault of and were caused by the white man. What many seem to overlook is that while the colonial "system" was far from perfect and was indeed exploitive, when it was finally kicked out or voted out, it by and large left behind it a country that had a functioning and intact infrastructure that then took not too long to degenerate to the state it is now in. All the while the decline is blamed on the whites who had the cheeck to run off and stop maintaining the stuff, thus allowing it to get into rack and ruin.
As for your aviation industry, my involvement in it was in the helicopter section where I worked with Nigerian engineers and pilots, some of whome were first class and some rather less - much like any other country, I might add.
My point about the Bellview flights I did was to illustrate that regardless of where or by whom the F-reg machine/s were maintained, Bellview was at the time a respected part of the industry in Nigeria and once the machines went onto the 5N-reg it all went south.
As for needing to raise my standards with regard to the industry, I say absolutely I do. It has been some years since I was in your country and by way of illustration, Bellview were still flying F-reg metal, Chanchangi was still in business (albeit tenuously) and Chrome was on the ramp at MMIA and the collection of hulls parked in the bushes across the apron from PAAN and the old Concorde hangar had only recently been removed, so it has been a while.
I worked in Nigeria for almost 7 years and by and large I had a good time there. My contact with your people was mostly hassle free, I was not mugged, scammed, 419'd, shot or anything bad which is, for me at least, a positive sign. As with anywhere there were the ones who considered me and my fellow expats to be an irritation and a target for racial and other attacks and they got short change from me.
I do not suffer from what has been termed "the white conscience". I do not feel guilty that I am white because I had nothing to do with that decision. Historically, my family never supported the National government in South Africa, but as the minority of the voting population had little choice but to make do with an imperfect world. I grew up on a farm and my father tried as far as possible to treat his staff with dignity and respect, and I believe he taught me the same respect.
What gets up my nose is a person who blames me and my "type" for the ills that befall him. Let's be blunt here for a second - tell me what the white man has done to facilitate the decline of the Nigerian industry and it's infrastrcture please. Which whitey stopped the trains running, allowed the festering of tribalism that has led to MEND and similar festering sores, created the current incarnation of a phone system, turned off the power stations, and closed the refineries?
Now take that question for the sake of fairness to the rest of Africa just to illustrate that I am not Nigeria bashing and the answer becomes clear - It has been self inflicted.
If I have offended you, I apologise, but understand me when I say that by and large the white man is not responsible for the current state of affairs in Africa.
As fot you, LJT...
They improve your economy and you sound like you're doing us a favour?? You must be out of your mind!
Believe me, that sort of enrichment we can do without, thank you.
I flew both of those airplanes and one of which is now being used as spares for the last flying one!!!
Expats to stay on because they don't have a problem in the world!
They are escorted round in SUV's, given cooks, Gardner's, cleaners, drivers etc.
Tell me, can you afford all those things in your neck of the woods???
Tell me, can you afford all those things in your neck of the woods???
For you re-education, when the locals go on strike, it's because they are fighting for basic rights;
I don't need to get over anything at all. I still communicate with my Nigerian friends from time to time and my dreams at night are not haunted by the likes of you.
I do believe though that you need to take a step back and take a long hard look at what you consider to be the ideal. Unless that is you are a part of the elite who benefit from the exploitation that you blame me for, in which case it's best left well alone then, right?
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Well put old chap!
If I had the time and energy, I would have liked to have written exactly the same as you. I am sick and tired of the Nigerians and their attiude towards expats and their blaming the self inflicted problems of their country on the "colonials"
If I had the time and energy, I would have liked to have written exactly the same as you. I am sick and tired of the Nigerians and their attiude towards expats and their blaming the self inflicted problems of their country on the "colonials"
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Jeez. Truce please.. No one blamed the whites.. And neither did you get a bad experience in the seven years you were there.. Aint that good?
Just two questions..
Couldn't BA organise for their passengers to wait in one of the terminals or something like that instead of being locked up in the cabin for 13 hours?
Are there no planes from Abuja to Kano?
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Just two questions..
Couldn't BA organise for their passengers to wait in one of the terminals or something like that instead of being locked up in the cabin for 13 hours?
Are there no planes from Abuja to Kano?
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unstable load,
Never once in my response did i mention anything racial!
You seem to forget that the word Expat sometimes includes Blacks from all over the world!!!
You have taken the pain to spout out a whole load of stuff that has nothing entirely to do with the point being raised here.
This thread started with British Airways and how they kept Pax in the Airplane on ground for hours on end.
I will start by reminding you that the failures of the Nigerian Government has nothing to do with the advancement of aviation generally in Nigeria, neither can you expect us here, mainly Pilots and engineers to fix what maybe the socio-economic problems Nigeria may have.
There are appropriate sites where all your bickering about Nigeria and it's style of government can be challenged or criticized!
This is not one of them!
There are also appropriate sites for racial comments, and as you can see, this STILL is not one of such!!
I implore you to take time to think before you go on a long Auto-biography about who you are and how you were brought up, this certainly does not solve the problems of British Airways!!
Like mkenya has said, there are ways that could have been averted, but very much like BA, they seem to think they are much smarter than everyone else!!!
I must again, reiterate the fact that Expats were never blamed by me for anything; I merely pointed out the fact that they are been paid to do a job, and thats what they do, period!
If the government did not meet their side of any bargain, i am sure they (The Expats) would be on the next flight out of the country.
In your whole write up, apart from wasting the time of our readers, I cannot find one valid point concerning BA??!!!!!
Not once did i use the term 'white man'!! The mention of colonials was directed specifically at Flightsimman who jumped whole-heartedly to the support of BA not bothering to comment on the problem that was cited.
British Airways continuously, disrespects the rights of Nigerians on board their airplanes, the service is crap, and the cabin crew untrained in customer relations!!
You do not treat a high paying customer like you are doing him/her a favour! That was simply my point! And if the crew do not wish to continue doing Lagos flights, they should be my guest! It's not i who'll be out of a job!!!
It amazes me how quick a lot of you are to castigate Nigeria and Nigerians.
I once thought this site was primarily for professionals who would come together to share ''professional views'' compare notes, and seek solutions to existing problems??!!
I see i must have thought wrong! All that ever happens, is at the mention of the word Nigeria, your types go off on a tangent, ignoring what the problem is, and getting into the political side of things existent in Nigeria.
British Airways has a fundamental problem with Nigeria and Nigerians! It is my take that if Nigeria and Nigerians make them so uncomfortable, they are free to pack their bags and leave that route!!!!
Stick to the points here man!!!!
I assume that you have some understanding of what i have said.
It's written in English!!
Never once in my response did i mention anything racial!
You seem to forget that the word Expat sometimes includes Blacks from all over the world!!!
You have taken the pain to spout out a whole load of stuff that has nothing entirely to do with the point being raised here.
This thread started with British Airways and how they kept Pax in the Airplane on ground for hours on end.
I will start by reminding you that the failures of the Nigerian Government has nothing to do with the advancement of aviation generally in Nigeria, neither can you expect us here, mainly Pilots and engineers to fix what maybe the socio-economic problems Nigeria may have.
There are appropriate sites where all your bickering about Nigeria and it's style of government can be challenged or criticized!
This is not one of them!
There are also appropriate sites for racial comments, and as you can see, this STILL is not one of such!!
I implore you to take time to think before you go on a long Auto-biography about who you are and how you were brought up, this certainly does not solve the problems of British Airways!!
Like mkenya has said, there are ways that could have been averted, but very much like BA, they seem to think they are much smarter than everyone else!!!
I must again, reiterate the fact that Expats were never blamed by me for anything; I merely pointed out the fact that they are been paid to do a job, and thats what they do, period!
If the government did not meet their side of any bargain, i am sure they (The Expats) would be on the next flight out of the country.
In your whole write up, apart from wasting the time of our readers, I cannot find one valid point concerning BA??!!!!!
Not once did i use the term 'white man'!! The mention of colonials was directed specifically at Flightsimman who jumped whole-heartedly to the support of BA not bothering to comment on the problem that was cited.
British Airways continuously, disrespects the rights of Nigerians on board their airplanes, the service is crap, and the cabin crew untrained in customer relations!!
You do not treat a high paying customer like you are doing him/her a favour! That was simply my point! And if the crew do not wish to continue doing Lagos flights, they should be my guest! It's not i who'll be out of a job!!!
It amazes me how quick a lot of you are to castigate Nigeria and Nigerians.
I once thought this site was primarily for professionals who would come together to share ''professional views'' compare notes, and seek solutions to existing problems??!!
I see i must have thought wrong! All that ever happens, is at the mention of the word Nigeria, your types go off on a tangent, ignoring what the problem is, and getting into the political side of things existent in Nigeria.
British Airways has a fundamental problem with Nigeria and Nigerians! It is my take that if Nigeria and Nigerians make them so uncomfortable, they are free to pack their bags and leave that route!!!!
Stick to the points here man!!!!
I assume that you have some understanding of what i have said.
It's written in English!!
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Long John Thomas,
You are absolutely correct in that my post had little to do with BA and their problems, my bad!
As for the rest, let's just agree to disagree because this topic will go on forever otherwise and I for one don't have the energy to keep bashing my head against that wall.
Truce, OK?
UL.
You are absolutely correct in that my post had little to do with BA and their problems, my bad!
As for the rest, let's just agree to disagree because this topic will go on forever otherwise and I for one don't have the energy to keep bashing my head against that wall.
Truce, OK?
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Guys, not all Nigerians are anti colonial or disagree with the need for expat workers. I respect the expat crew i work with but i feel it is a sad situation where we employ expat first officers when we have pilots fresh from school who self are sponsored and cant get a break. I am all for having qualified captains brought in to work and help train our crew but to have crew work 25years as an expat in the same country is a joke.
I have been to Nairobi so pls dont try to compare us to you.
I have been to Nairobi so pls dont try to compare us to you
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Nijasea
Your comment about employing Nigerian pilots straight from flight school, whether self sponsored or not, instead of expat F/Os was rather silly. I always thought that experience was necessary. Maybe Nigerian pilots are a cut above the rest of us and don't need any experience!!
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Unstable load. Can I just say I dont think you should apologise for offending LJT. He is being rather offensive himself. He makes it quite clear how proud he is of his use of the English language. I am sure he has heard the word 'inference' and knows exactly what it means. Your response was fair enough for me, even if it did not tackle the BA point of this thread it did deal with the underlying issue here.
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Habari,
Based on what you have just said, i see you are gearing up for a brawl.
Please try to be more tactful when referring to others here. You may disagree with what's said, but thats no reason to call a man silly!
Besides, it is not unusual to have rookies straight out of school on the big jets in Nigeria or anywhere else in the civilized world.
'BA' takes on cadets from zero time to fully fledged First Officers. Why not in Nigeria?
helldog,
As for you, i see you lack manners and are also in that sling-match mode!
If unstable load decides to be a gentleman, i don't see how you're instigation to be insulting tackles anything to do with BA.
All i have 'inferred' is that we should all stick to matters raised on this forum and not digress to socio-economic debates as you obviously would prefer.
Nigeria is not perfect, none of us has said so. But we would prefer constructive criticism and not people taking the liberty to go completely off course when the topic at hand is BA!!!
There is NO underlying issue here. Just BA's treatment of our citizens!
Fact is, BA has to shape up!
Yes, i am proud of my use of English; It shows that unlike what your likes assume?
Some of us ARE more educated than YOU!!!
Based on what you have just said, i see you are gearing up for a brawl.
Please try to be more tactful when referring to others here. You may disagree with what's said, but thats no reason to call a man silly!
Besides, it is not unusual to have rookies straight out of school on the big jets in Nigeria or anywhere else in the civilized world.
'BA' takes on cadets from zero time to fully fledged First Officers. Why not in Nigeria?
helldog,
As for you, i see you lack manners and are also in that sling-match mode!
If unstable load decides to be a gentleman, i don't see how you're instigation to be insulting tackles anything to do with BA.
All i have 'inferred' is that we should all stick to matters raised on this forum and not digress to socio-economic debates as you obviously would prefer.
Nigeria is not perfect, none of us has said so. But we would prefer constructive criticism and not people taking the liberty to go completely off course when the topic at hand is BA!!!
There is NO underlying issue here. Just BA's treatment of our citizens!
Fact is, BA has to shape up!
Yes, i am proud of my use of English; It shows that unlike what your likes assume?
Some of us ARE more educated than YOU!!!