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Old 7th Sep 2008, 17:14
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Maun 2008-2009 season

Guys and Gals,

It's that time of the year again! Coming up to hiring season in Maun, so I thought I would start off a thread for the 2008-2009 period. I just wanted to ask a couple of questions (and yes I have done many searches on this site looking at some posts even dating back to the previous millenium, Google, Youtube (by the looks of things the god squad and indeed the scientologists have a keen presence out there), numerous blogs, trip advisor and even my granny's Botswana photo album from last year so please don't tell me to do a search, I cannot find the answers to these questions). I know it isn't really part of the adventure spirit meticulously getting every grain of information I possibly can before I go, but it is a big decision for me and I want to know what I might be getting myself into!

I am getting sick of this credit crunch, and just want to get flying, so am thinking about heading off to Maun to try my luck out there. If some of you that have done the whole Maun thing could just answer a few questions I haven't seen asked anywhere else, I would be most incredibly grateful. The questions are at the bottom of the post.

First of all a summary of the info I have collected so far about Maun for those of you who are thinking of making the leap over, to save you some research time.


The Operators:

Sefofane: Caravan/ 206/172/Airvan (www.sefofane.com)
Moremi Air: Caravan/Islander/210/206/172 (www.moremiair.com)
Kavango Air: Caravan/206/172 (www.kavangoair.com)
Delta Air: Islander/210/206 (www.okavango.bw/air.html)
Mack Air: Caravan/Airvan/210/206 (www.mackair.co.bw)
Safari Air: Babyvan/Caravan/Islander/Airvan/206 (not their website but gives details)
Edit: Thankyou Dupre for keeping me up to date!

How to get a job:

Go to Maun primarily between October and February! You can send off CV's to the aforementioned companies, but they won't hire you unless you are on their doorstep, looking imploringly into their chief pilot's eyes (this is very important).
Fly to Johannesburg, then either Air Botswana it to Maun for about $250 or get a bus to Gaborone and then onwards to Maun for a cheaper, but many more times sweaty, excursion. (www.seabelo.bw & tjmotlogelwa.com)
Audi camp (www.okavangocamp.com) seems to be the place to stay for pilots, bring a tent, mention you are a pilot looking for a job, and apparently they give you a discount! (35 Pula per night for Mr/Mrs the mere mortal pleb holidaymakers so even cheaper for us demi-god aviators! 35 Pula = £3 and £5 extra if you want power). It is 12km North of Maun, so I am not quite sure how you actually get there, but I suggest walking would be a decision left severely lacking.
A C206 rating with at least five hours on type, and an instrument rating are both bonus's but not required. Age is not really an issue.


Visa & license conversion:


You can go to Botswana for a job hunt based on your passport, so no special visa is required. In order to get your license converted to the Botswana equivalent, you will need five hours in the C206, then you will need to pass a flight test, and also an air law exam. Apparently this is easy. The company will also sort out the work permit visa papers that you will need once and if you get a job, and this will take a couple of months.


Life in Maun:


Pay is around about £500-£1000 per month, some operators offer housing/allowances. The facebook group 'Maun Pilots' gives an insight into the pilot life in Maun and brings to mind two words: 1) shenanigans, and 2) nudism. Maun has many bars with paved roads in the centre and a smallish airport (which is always a bonus when you are trying to find a pilot job). A modern hospital has just been built, but I don't know if this is open yet. The low season for pilots is the Summer and is the wet season in Botswana, and is the hiring season as well, so you will need to take a good waterproof tent and be prepared to get a little moist. It gets cold at night so bring warm things you can layer yourself up with in the evenings and shed them like some sort of onion in the mornings.


That I think pretty much sums up what I have found out so far. Please let me know if I have got the wrong end of the stick with any of that. I still don't know whether I will be going, but based on the assumption that I do here are my questions that I pose to you current and ex-Maun pilots!


Questions:

1. What do I need to bring with me in terms of official documents? I'm guessing my logbooks, licenses, and passport - are these enough or will I need to take my original birth certificate, and stuff as well?

2. What do I need to bring with me in terms of equipment and clothing? I'm guessing sturdy shoes, lots of shorts, boxers (I don't suppose you want to 'cramp your style' in 40 degree heat), many layers for the cold nights, sleeping bag, good tent, torch blah blah blah. Any particularly handy items people usually forget?

3. Leccy. What kind of plugs do they use out there - I see it is a mixture of both modern UK (handy!) and pre war UK plugs (I knew I shouldn't have thrown out my 1918 mp3 player last week) - is there a predominant one?

4. Internet. I know the Sedia hotel has an internet cafe, but if and when you get a job are the houses connected up too? Can't live without the beloved pprune, plus I have a website to maintain!

5. Money. There is a western union, and visa seems widely accepted, so of course my bank have just switched my card to Mastercard 'for my convenience' - but how much do you reckon I need to live on whilst waiting for a job and then waiting for the visa (as in work permit not credit card) papers to come through? How many more months of waitering do I have to endure to save enough (a hypothetical question as you probably won't know how much I get paid. I can assure you it is excrement.)

6. Insurance. Know any good deals for insurance I can get and where to get it from? I am sure that going to Botswana with it's diseases while flying the public at 150mph at the age of 20 the premiums will be tiny - but best check.

And finally

7. Anyone else thinking of heading to Maun this season?


If anybody can answer any of these questions for me I would be a happy man.

Thankyou very much for your time and your answers in advance!


WP

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lets hope those botswana work permits aren't like the zambian ones..

remember the name man... we should catch up at Maun in a couple of months... i'm looking for info too... so any help is good help!
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OK firstly just an update on operators and aircraft: Northern Air is now a part of Safari air. Also there are a few more aircraft types to be added so your list looks more like:

Sefofane: Caravan/ 206/172/Airvan (www.sefofane.com)
Moremi Air: Caravan/Islander/210/206/172 (www.moremiair.com)
Kavango Air: Caravan/206/172 (www.kavangoair.com)
Delta Air: Islander/210/206 (www.okavango.bw/air.html)
Mack Air: Caravan/Airvan/210/206 (www.mackair.co.bw)
Safari Air: Babyvan/Caravan/Islander/Airvan/207/206 (wasn't working when I last tried - and haven't seen the 207 in a while - do they still have it?)

1) Bring at least 5 certified copies of your passport, licences, birth certificates etc. Also a new requirement is a Certificate of Clearance (from the police, stating that you are a good egg and haven't done anything terrible). Finally bring copies of all the certificates/education/degrees you've got... they lap that stuff up at immigration. Make sure that everything has an official looking stamp on it - for some reason Africa is the place of official stamps and any document lacking one is viewed with suspicion.

2) It doesn't get that cold at night in the summer (winter is a different story!) If you have big feet (UK 11 or larger) then consider bringing more shoes as you can't get them in Maun

3) The plugs depend on the house. You can easily buy an adaptor or change a plug if required. I got a great 4 way adaptor which takes almost any plug for P50 from suntronics in Maun.

4) You can get internet at home but it can be a mission and is pretty expensive from what I understand (not that I've done it...) There are quite a few internet cafes around town, and some companies allow their pilots free internet (some don't )

5) Being very conservative, I'd allow around P200/day while looking for work. You'll probably spend less, including a fair drinking allowance. Work out how long you're prepared to stay without a job and add 2 months on low pay before you get online. If you come with around 2000 quid you're certainly not going to run out of cash.

6) No idea sorry...

7) Already done this one

Feel free to PM me if you want any more info
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Dupre: Edited. Thanks for keeping me up to date & for getting back to me - very helpful. Good to hear from somebody who's done it all! Looks as though I'll have to continue to serve the consumers their beloved trout for another couple of months to scrounge that kind of money together <sigh> . At least I am a dainty size eight in shoes so don't need to worry on the footwear provision front.

Slimynyk: When are you off? I can't decide if I do go whether to go before or after Christmas. I'm going to email a couple of the companys to see if it is possible to go home over the xmas period while waiting for the visa stuff to come though. But that is an extra £700 in flights - which is a hell of a lot of trout to serve.
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One my way aswell

I just finished a summer flying a 206 in northern canada, and will be heading down to maun at the end of december, fire me an email we should meet up at some point, cheers

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Cash to bring

My 2000 quid is very conservative... just asked a mate (who's also been there!) who reckons 500 oughta do it.
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Maun info

Please don't forget your police clearance certificates - cannot apply for a license or work and res permits.
Lots of pilots leaving in the next few months - C206 time is a bonus.
With regards to your documentation - have everything certified, or bring over the originals. Birth certificate, passport, police clearance certificate, school certificate, licenses, logbooks, and anything else you can think of.
The application process for a license can take up to month - but to organise work and res permits is a matter of a week - depending who's doing it for you, but not a mission at all. So work on a minimum of 6 weeks to get up and running after being employed -some companies offer a retainer, but don't bank on it.

The latest trick form DCA is to say that they have to contact your DCA to clear your license - if you can try and get a letter from your DCA as some form of clearance letter indicating that your license is valid and you're not a fraud - I'm not even sure if it will help - but we're trying to cover all our basis.

PM me if you need any more info.

See you all soon
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Tango24: Thanks - last thing I would want to do is get out there then hang around waiting for a piece of paper to be couriered through. And judging from my luck with the last two Amazon orders I made, my original birth certificate would arrive a ripped up soggy mass. Was wondering if you can start your training whilst waiting for the license or whether you would need that to start?

Dupre: Good news! Slightly less trout to serve. Hoo rah.

EliPasquali: Wilco in the next few days.


Cheery Bye! I'm off to throw some of those trout at customers.
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Ok, now I have a question or two. I've been reading this thread and I'm honestly amazed. I've checked out photos from the facebook groups that contain pictures and stories from flying in Africa and this feeling overwhelms me that I've missed out on quite a bit in my aviation career.

I spent a year after receiving my CFIs teaching instrument, multi, and commercial pilots...and a few CFI classes. Then I joined a regional airline here in the states (ExpressJet...Continental Express) when I had about 800 hours. So for the last year I've been flying about 40 hours a month in an Embraer 145, and it's been fun...but something has been lacking. And as of recently about 300 of us have been furloughed for what's estimated to be about a year, maybe more.

I've been mass emailing companies with my resume, and then meanwhile I see this thread.

What's the likelihood of me getting a chance to do this for a year or so and see how I like it? The original poster seems to have done quite a bit of research, and I pray he gets to fulfill this dream of his to do this, but he's seemed to perk my interest in this.

Now my questions are:

*What type of aircraft do these companies fly, or is it all single engine piston. Do not think I'm talking down, I just want to know if they use larger aircraft that might require two person crews. My previous experience is that's where I'll end up being assigned due to my CRM environment I've been around recently. They think all FOs are stupid and don't remember how to fly without a boss on board. LOL.

*What is the day-to-day operations like? Is it pickup and drop off...are you suppose to stay with the customer on the ground for days on end while vacation? How much flying is actually done daily? How long are the legs from camp to camp???

*Are there any short cuts you can take by providing certain documentation ahead of time (work visas and whatnot)? Is there no chance of contacting these companies ahead of time and lining up something prior to the 18 hour flight plus commuter over? Don't get me wrong I understand the benefit of chattin in up with the chief, but it's a long commute to find out their staffed or not interested.

*Lastly, one of my biggest DREAMs was to work for relief work as a pilot getting cargo to those in need. Problem is, where do you go to find work like this? Don't get me wrong Maun is right up there with it, but I've never found info on that. I figure you guys would know about that too, since I'm sure the bars are litered with you guys.

Thanks for any info and fly safe.

-DT
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7) Already done this one
I have a question for you. What you went there, did you just blindly buy a ticket and just hope to find something? Or did you do a lot of planning and had a lot of connections set up before you left? The going rate is $2250 for a one way flight from the US to Johannesburg. I'd literally have to sell everything I own in order to afford just the airfare. Thats a pretty big gamble if you can't be sure you'll find work. Plus, a lot of those companies linked in the OP look like they have a fleet of 8 planes at the most and a staff of maybe 15 pilots.
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DannyTanner: If you have a look at the fleets above, you'll see Maun is mainly piston singles. Plenty of Caravans, and 3 Islanders make up the turbine/twin contingent. Maun is not the place if you want to get aid to the needy... it is all about flying (mainly) wealthy tourists/hunters to plush safari camps in the delta. I'm sure your multi-crew time wouldn't be looked on badly though and your chance of a job would be just as good as anyone elses. If you want to keep in the MCC environment, do a search on "african contract flying" - the likes of Solenta, Qwila, Zimex and many others. They operate some singles (caravans mainly, zimex has porters) and many multi crew twins - twin otters, B1900s etc. - and they do it into difficult areas. I understand it's largely under contract to the UN, as well as support for the oil/mining industries.

The work is 99% pick up/drop off. You won't be able to arrange any permits in advance, as you need to have a firm job offer before you can apply. By all means email the companies before you go - that's a very good idea. But don't expect them to hire you before they have met you.

NBV4: Yep, bought a ticket to Maun (about US$3000 for me) and went. I emailed all the operators and 3 or 4 pilots that I managed to get contacts for... but I really didn't know a soul on the continent when I arrived! I was prepared to spend 3 months on the job hunt, but was very lucky - got a job after 6 days. Sometimes in life, you just have to take a risk - what's the worst case? You go back home having spent a couple of months experiencing a new and very foreign place!

Sefofane is the biggest, with 16 planes and about 23 pilots I believe. Kavango is probably the smallest with 4 planes and 4 pilots (stand to be corrected on that).

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Dupre: thanks for the great information. Looking around I seem to get kind of mixed information about when the "hiring season" is over there. Some say June, some say October, and then theres some who say February. In your experience, when is the best time to go over there?

Also, would you say that your success at finding a job in 6 days was extreme luck, or is that about how long it usually takes?

Oh and one more question. How do you actually find where these places are? A lot of these companies have websites, but no physical address listed anywhere. I assume they are all located on the Maun airport property? What do you do to get around when you first arrive? Taxi? Bicycle? Buy a car?
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From East to West...

By the way, if at worse you run out of luck in Maun (or maybe your are a complete DumAss and manage to get fired from a company before even managing to get in...) you can still Head to the West... (I personaly did Hitchike from Ghanzi...but you can also choose plane, or bus...)

Even if Namibia had a dramatic accident history for the past 18 months, they also do Look for pilots (but not as a "hiring season" as in Maun...its much more random, but do work the same way...show up your face, get into a Backpacker, visit, have some beers, and try again with the Boss or Chief pilot!...or maybe first try again, and then have some beers...interviews with a booze breath won't help you much...).

Life in Windhoek is different than in Maun, but very very fun and bush style also...Life in Swakop is much closer to what you would get in Bots (...except the bloody fog that keeps everyone at the bar....what a shame...)

Oh, I forgot, you could also bring some documents as International Driving License, and Vaccination card, that might be helpfull sometimes..

Good Luck

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Nomad according to some recent posts on Prune from the Nambian Pilots' mouths on the forum, a beer breath might just be the way to get hired...

I do believe it was said a few weeks back that the drinking and flying is not THAT bad anymore...
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Oh for a physical address Unfortunately Maun has very few road names, and even fewer house numbers. There is no postal delivery service either. Hence the only addresses you'll find will be Private Bag numbers – even though no-one lives in a bag

The furthest operator is about a 5 minute walk from the airport terminal. Most people (myself included) get around by taxi/combi - very cheap and cheerful... if crampt sometimes You can buy a car if you have $$$$$$ but even rust buckets aren’t cheap. Not sure I’d cycle – extreme heat and maniac drivers tend to put me off!

I’m told the hiring season used to be quite distinct from January to March. But to be honest I don’t see a hiring season at the moment. Sefo are still hiring, and it’s the middle of the peak season. There is much less competition for jobs than there used to be – used to have 60 pilots waiting round for 10 jobs a few years ago, but that isn’t happening now. If you’re a good candidate and you hit it at the right time, 6 days is do-able . I’ve seen it done several times. If you’re a bad candidate (i.e. a complete numpty) or just happen to arrive immediately after a whole bunch of guys have been hired, you can expect to wait a bit.
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Dupre: I think I can speak for everybody when I say thankyou for all your replies and allowing us to drink from your vast font of wisdom (and I am sure everyone would say exactly that phrase). I certainly hope I haven't inadvertently advertised Maun too much with this thread! Don't want all THAT much competition!

Move along folks nothing to see here.....

I still can't get my head round imagining the part where you step off the flight from Jo'burg at Maun, and everyone else heads off with their tourguides in the arrivals hall and you are left in solitude wondering what the hell to do now!

DannyTanner: I know exactly how you feel with the whole cripple-royal-mail-by-sending-millions-of-CVs approach (and then recieving one letter back telling you to bugger off) and that is exactly why I'm looking to go to Maun instead - I want to fly!

The aircraft flown are mainly single engine piston six seater (including pilot) aircraft. Bit different to your Embraer, since you are the only pilot, and steward, baggage handler, gate agent etc. and the only toilets on board are the water bottles (especially challenging if you are a lady). Inflight entertainment for Mack Air is a book of Gary Larson cartoons apparently. As Dupre said you start on the Cessna 206, and then after maybe a year you can transfer onto something different and bigger like the Caravan.

Still don't know whether to do it but I have to say this thread is pushing me further and further in that direction! I guess all you that have done it would recommend it?
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The way it is...

Honestly, most of us did it that way.

Arriving in Maun "International" Airport...checking at the 206's trying to climb feet after feet on a hot and turbulent day (another one)...dreaming...finding your way to Audi Camp, going to Inet Cafe to annouce your folks your are still alive, being **** scared at the first 7cm spider or scorpion you'll cross, or taking 300 pictures in high Quality of the first Drongo or Hornbill you'll see sittng in front of you (while at the end, you'll know them all by their latin scientific name)..then knocking at "charter companies"'s doors...and having the usual "come back tomorrow, not now"...or "yes, you interest us, but come back in a month"...and then , by pissing those guys off day after day, ending up a few days, weeks, or month, actually flying for them..

And if this doesn't work, when your heart tells you to be carefull, when you cash start to be a concern... move away...(not anymore to Zimbabwae..but Zambia, Namibia, even RSA...)

This IS how it worked for most (not All) of us... the usual Maun Route...some stoped there..some continued further...and most of us did actually find a job..

Its a risk, sure...but it DOES worth it...and I am pretty sure every single pilot who knows what I am talking about will agree with it...

Don't forget your camera....and a good one...
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Hey guys

I got my first flying job in Maun in 1997. I had little over 200 hrs! I met my wife there, in the Sports Bar - would you believe it?! I now fly an Airbus with Emirates, but I can honestly say that those two years were the best years of my life!!

Yeah, looking at those pics on Facebook certainly bring a lump to my throat.
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Anyone for a Maun adventure?

Hi,

Great info on this thread which I have just found after doing the research myself. What I have found through speaking to some who have worked there, a couple of CFIs there and the internet links in with what is posted here which is a bonus.

I am heading down to Maun in mid Oct to bang on some doors and get chatting to some CFIs so feel free to get in touch if you are going at a similar time.

I have been told to turn up in the pub on fridays and find some pilots to talk to about it all. Its a small place and everyone knows everyone else and the hub of it all seems to be in the pub, not sure which one but will find out.

I was told to get a police certificate which I have done, £10. The only other thing that I haven't read here that might be useful is that it is best advised not to have a one way ticket into Botswana as this comes with a lot of questions. Maybe they think you are a journalist looking to get into Zimbabwe or something?

I have never even been to Africa but I am just going to do it, buy the ticket and bite the bullet.
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I was told to get a police certificate which I have done, £10. The only other thing that I haven't read here that might be useful is that it is best advised not to have a one way ticket into Botswana as this comes with a lot of questions. Maybe they think you are a journalist looking to get into Zimbabwe or something?
Where did you hear this? What about buying a one way ticket to Johannesburg, South Africa? I don't think I could afford to buy a round trip ticket
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