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KQ Job advertisement
Hi,
In today's Daily Nation Kenya Airways has put an advertisement in which they say they are looking for (Kenyan) pilots. I took a look at their site to see the requirements, which are as follows for those interested.
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Full Job Description Qualified Pilots
Country: Kenya
Description:
Responsibilities:
Experience:
Educational Requirements
• Minimum educational qualification of mean grade C+ or equivalent
with at least grade C+/Credits in English, Mathematics, Physics,.
Higher qualifications will be an added advantage.
• Grade “A” aeroplane performance rating.
• Kenyan CPL with instrument rating with no limitations.
• Gas turbines
• Minimum of 250 hours. Accident/incident free
• Must possess strong inter-personal, communication and organisational
skills.
• Must be strong team players.
• High integrity.
Close Date:22 November 2007
In today's Daily Nation Kenya Airways has put an advertisement in which they say they are looking for (Kenyan) pilots. I took a look at their site to see the requirements, which are as follows for those interested.
Good luck
Full Job Description Qualified Pilots
Country: Kenya
Description:
Responsibilities:
Experience:
Educational Requirements
• Minimum educational qualification of mean grade C+ or equivalent
with at least grade C+/Credits in English, Mathematics, Physics,.
Higher qualifications will be an added advantage.
• Grade “A” aeroplane performance rating.
• Kenyan CPL with instrument rating with no limitations.
• Gas turbines
• Minimum of 250 hours. Accident/incident free
• Must possess strong inter-personal, communication and organisational
skills.
• Must be strong team players.
• High integrity.
Close Date:22 November 2007
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The ad is restricted to Kenyan nationals only. KALPA strongly resists the employment of non Kenyans either permanently or as contractors and the company has been reluctant to cross this line.
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Skylion , you are spot on . I may do line training on 738s , I even speak Swahili , but no chance I am afraid !
Should have applied for a passport when I was eligible , back in the mists of time , but pointless now as I am far too mzee to be an FO now !!
Work permits at Wilson are like rocking horse s**t too , so I will just have to
sit on the beach !
Should have applied for a passport when I was eligible , back in the mists of time , but pointless now as I am far too mzee to be an FO now !!
Work permits at Wilson are like rocking horse s**t too , so I will just have to
sit on the beach !
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KQ progression
hey u kq pilots, how many hours do 737-300 first officers fly? i understand if u join them u go on the 737-300s. Who flies the saab 340's and the embraer 170 lrs?How long can it take a first officer to have 3000 hrs?i hope to fly with you guyz soon.
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Well, I'm also waiting in the cue...
Look at this:
With 777 and 737 ratings, both active, as PIC and TRI with experience on both types, many hours, additional qualifications, and despite the fact that I speak Kiswahili (among four other languages) and have lived in Nairobi for 19 years of my life.
Unfortunately, I'm a mzungu with the "wrong" passport.
KALPA = 
Look at this:
With 777 and 737 ratings, both active, as PIC and TRI with experience on both types, many hours, additional qualifications, and despite the fact that I speak Kiswahili (among four other languages) and have lived in Nairobi for 19 years of my life.
Unfortunately, I'm a mzungu with the "wrong" passport.
KALPA =
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well if you are joining kq as a pilot you are very lucky just make sure they pay you as much as they pay their locals. as for engineers talk about modern day slavery you got full blown engineers with the complete fleet to their signature but the boys aint seeing even a quater of what they captains make. thats sad and cheap from the pride of africa.
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Bwana, I'm not concerned about the payscale. As a pilot, I'm interested in my own salary; everybody else has their own union to take care of their wages.
And anyway, KQ will not take any foreigners, least of all as a PIC, thanks to KALPA-discrimination.
And anyway, KQ will not take any foreigners, least of all as a PIC, thanks to KALPA-discrimination.
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Wouldn't the concern of any ALPA be to protect jobs for nationals? If they can bring a required skill the airline needs, with no nationals able to fill the position, I see no reason why foreigners shouldn't be considered.
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You can look at it that way, true. But here are my reasons:
For many years during which I kept trying to send in my papers, there was a demand for pilots at KQ (they even advertised positions through Sigmar Aviation for a while). KALPA, however, prevented anybody from coming in.
Kenyan pilots are working in various other nation's airlines where they earn more money or have better career-opportunities - and why not, I would do the same if I were them - but then, why can other guys not also try their luck in Kenya?
Nowadays, the market should decide. More so, since KQ is a private company and no longer government-owned. So if they need pilots, everybody with suitable qualifications and references should get a chance to apply. Not only those people who happen to be citizens of Kenya.
It would also raise the professional standard of the company, if HR-dept could select from a larger pool of pilots, instead of only a few dozen. So the airline would benefit from it.
The job of any ALPA is to protect the rights of flight crew. But if the government decides to issue somebody a work-permit, then an individual company should not have the right to discriminate against certain applicants. I have a work-permit, and I'm not just a low-experienced F/O who's looking to fly a few hours, but have spent many years of studying and taking checks. So I don't even take away the chances of a new graduate, but compete against other professionals.
For many years during which I kept trying to send in my papers, there was a demand for pilots at KQ (they even advertised positions through Sigmar Aviation for a while). KALPA, however, prevented anybody from coming in.
Kenyan pilots are working in various other nation's airlines where they earn more money or have better career-opportunities - and why not, I would do the same if I were them - but then, why can other guys not also try their luck in Kenya?
Nowadays, the market should decide. More so, since KQ is a private company and no longer government-owned. So if they need pilots, everybody with suitable qualifications and references should get a chance to apply. Not only those people who happen to be citizens of Kenya.
It would also raise the professional standard of the company, if HR-dept could select from a larger pool of pilots, instead of only a few dozen. So the airline would benefit from it.
The job of any ALPA is to protect the rights of flight crew. But if the government decides to issue somebody a work-permit, then an individual company should not have the right to discriminate against certain applicants. I have a work-permit, and I'm not just a low-experienced F/O who's looking to fly a few hours, but have spent many years of studying and taking checks. So I don't even take away the chances of a new graduate, but compete against other professionals.
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As a kenyan, I will defend the union's decision on that matter;Look at it as just a good way of taking care of the great kenyan nationals. Ain't nothing wrong with a union safeguarding its nationals best interests.
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corruption
any one with an idea when kq will stop employment in regards to favours to known guys!!! so i heard some F/o was relieaved of duty after miss performing since he was employed through the parent being powerfull in a top govt boby!! there are guys who sincerly deserve the oportuinty.... now they spent money on type rating and the guy is out back to the backbone wilson airport......
No hard feelings but mybe its something kalpa should look at if Kq is to withold its integrity !!!!!
i think Kenya is maturing off the old schoolway of doing things and we should join hand s
No hard feelings but mybe its something kalpa should look at if Kq is to withold its integrity !!!!!
i think Kenya is maturing off the old schoolway of doing things and we should join hand s
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Where on earth doesn't corruption exist ? Good thing someone in KQ isn't putting up with BS and is quick to kick incompetent guyz to the cub Can't quote any prominent family's kid that has been in that spot, but I was in kenya in 2003 when something of that sort had just happened. Checks and balances at works 
Where on earth doesn't corruption exist ? Good thing someone in KQ isn't putting up with BS and is quick to kick incompetent guyz to the cub
Can't quote any prominent family's kid that has been in that spot, but I was in kenya in 2003 when something of that sort had just happened. Checks and balances at works
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checks & balances are being checked yes but who then checks incompitence heard few new released capt's complain about thier F/o's making it seem like a single crew aircraft?????? on the other hand those who join from wilson or got few hours and experince all i hear is praise and competence and guess a live and confident flight dec!who is to screen or look after that!!!! just confirm kalpa.......
if i you could listen to the ATC Rt with some of the guys you would really wonder whats up but hei guess more jobs for kenyans
if i you could listen to the ATC Rt with some of the guys you would really wonder whats up but hei guess more jobs for kenyans
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I think we can safely say that the union does not have the airlines best interests at heart . This is nothing new , I am working for one now ( in Europe ) and the guys here adopt the dog in the manger attitude . I don't really like my company but I do not want anybody else to work here !
If people really cared about their airline and its furure they would want the best people working there . The policy of employing by nepotism is very dodgy indeed.
KQ are a great company , but I was told that the 767 on order was cancelled because of the refusal to even offer short term contracts to experienced crew . There seems to be a good supply of Kenyan pilots coming through the schools , probably enough to crew the airline in the future . But there should be SOME selection issues which do see past the possession of a passport as the be-all and end-all of recruitment.
The expansion of any airline can be accelerated by the judicious employment of short-term trainers on contract while the new boys acquire the necessary hours for promotion etc. This is not rocket science .
The unions absolute refusal to agree to ANY contracts does not bode well .
The day will come when a strike will be called because one of their number is disciplined and the only people who suffer are the passengers , followed by the airline itself.
The union could do its credibility a power of good by at least offering to agree to certain MUTUALLY AGREED short term contracts . If the company then tries to alter this , then the necessary action can be taken.
Invoking an IFALPA ban when nobody has been disenfranchised is vexing.
If people really cared about their airline and its furure they would want the best people working there . The policy of employing by nepotism is very dodgy indeed.
KQ are a great company , but I was told that the 767 on order was cancelled because of the refusal to even offer short term contracts to experienced crew . There seems to be a good supply of Kenyan pilots coming through the schools , probably enough to crew the airline in the future . But there should be SOME selection issues which do see past the possession of a passport as the be-all and end-all of recruitment.
The expansion of any airline can be accelerated by the judicious employment of short-term trainers on contract while the new boys acquire the necessary hours for promotion etc. This is not rocket science .
The unions absolute refusal to agree to ANY contracts does not bode well .
The day will come when a strike will be called because one of their number is disciplined and the only people who suffer are the passengers , followed by the airline itself.
The union could do its credibility a power of good by at least offering to agree to certain MUTUALLY AGREED short term contracts . If the company then tries to alter this , then the necessary action can be taken.
Invoking an IFALPA ban when nobody has been disenfranchised is vexing.
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I have a bunch of mates that left the states with ATP's and are running miraa routes and flying 206's in the bush. Kenya at the moment has more than enough hot blooded pilots that can be trained to suit KQ needs. I don't think KQ will have any shortage of pilots on any near future for that matter. Why should KQ be hiring wazungus while kenyans have enough brains and skill to keep those wings afloat? Come on guyz...too sad no expertriates can be let in. For the 767 issue, can't comment on that but I highly doubt KQ can't be able to outfit guyz to drive it. The last report from KQ's CEO Taitus Naikuni illustrated shrunken profits attributed to escalating gas prices and partly by the depreciating US dollar rates; so maybe thats the reason that order might have been cancelled. Don't forget about the 73 they lost afew months ago.
Nightfire.........Pole sana boss. You want a kenyan passport you can alwayz get it. Toa kitu kidogo still works . You wonder why all those asians are "kenyans" by birth and hold kenyan passports ?
Nightfire.........Pole sana boss. You want a kenyan passport you can alwayz get it. Toa kitu kidogo still works . You wonder why all those asians are "kenyans" by birth and hold kenyan passports ?
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Well, SiMBA KALI, that's exactly the point:
As you said yourself: Kitu Kidogo always does the trick. So tell me, why should I then buy a passport at Nyayo house, when I might as well buy a manager at KQ? Thing is: I refuse to take part in that sort of thing. Anybody with some backbone should, and certainly a responsible pilot must also have the guts to draw a morale limit.
I want to be a pilot for my favorite airline in my beloved country. But not like that. KQ should take me because I'm good and because I'm experienced and loyal. Not, repeat NOT because I'm a rich mzungu!
As for those 206-drivers flying miraa around the country: Sorry for them if they are forced to take that sort of job. But as a TRI I tell you that those guys have had it anyway. A former bush-pilot, who has been in the GA for too long (with 500 hours flying 5Y-cessnas as a hobby over the last 16 years I saw A LOT of bad stuff at HKNW) will never make a good airline pilot again. The attitude and the way of doing things of these "cowboys" is not suitable.
For sure they know how to land a plane on a short runway, but they find it hard to get back to SOP's, to study manuals, and to rely on instructions instead of instincts (the other day I had a verbal fight with a student who refused to accept a go-around from an unstable approach, saying "but I could have made it!").
No, there are thousands of pilots available, many of them professional pilots in the field they work in (for MAF or as agricultural pilots), but not suitable for an airline in the flight-deck of a Boeing.
And yes, an airline should employ pilots according to their skills. Which I am ready to demonstarte in an interview, a written test and a sim-check - right here and now.
But if the airline choses to take candidates according to their parents' status, personal friendships, and "chai" - well, then that's not professional, is it? Then don't be surprised if a Cmdr. has to fly "single pilot", because of a confused F/O.
KALPA protects Kenyan pilots, which you, as a Kenyan, like. Of course you do. Probably you are even a member of them.
But it does not benefit the airline, I can tell you that. In the long run, it will do you more harm than good - at the latest, when your next aircraft crashes due to pilot's error (which mungu may prevent!!).
And, by the way, I will never accept a short-term contract. That's only for mercenaries.
I will fly for a fixed contract upon the airline and I can agree. In return I offer my commitment to the company. No more, no less.
As you said yourself: Kitu Kidogo always does the trick. So tell me, why should I then buy a passport at Nyayo house, when I might as well buy a manager at KQ? Thing is: I refuse to take part in that sort of thing. Anybody with some backbone should, and certainly a responsible pilot must also have the guts to draw a morale limit.
I want to be a pilot for my favorite airline in my beloved country. But not like that. KQ should take me because I'm good and because I'm experienced and loyal. Not, repeat NOT because I'm a rich mzungu!
As for those 206-drivers flying miraa around the country: Sorry for them if they are forced to take that sort of job. But as a TRI I tell you that those guys have had it anyway. A former bush-pilot, who has been in the GA for too long (with 500 hours flying 5Y-cessnas as a hobby over the last 16 years I saw A LOT of bad stuff at HKNW) will never make a good airline pilot again. The attitude and the way of doing things of these "cowboys" is not suitable.
For sure they know how to land a plane on a short runway, but they find it hard to get back to SOP's, to study manuals, and to rely on instructions instead of instincts (the other day I had a verbal fight with a student who refused to accept a go-around from an unstable approach, saying "but I could have made it!").
No, there are thousands of pilots available, many of them professional pilots in the field they work in (for MAF or as agricultural pilots), but not suitable for an airline in the flight-deck of a Boeing.
And yes, an airline should employ pilots according to their skills. Which I am ready to demonstarte in an interview, a written test and a sim-check - right here and now.
But if the airline choses to take candidates according to their parents' status, personal friendships, and "chai" - well, then that's not professional, is it? Then don't be surprised if a Cmdr. has to fly "single pilot", because of a confused F/O.
KALPA protects Kenyan pilots, which you, as a Kenyan, like. Of course you do. Probably you are even a member of them.
But it does not benefit the airline, I can tell you that. In the long run, it will do you more harm than good - at the latest, when your next aircraft crashes due to pilot's error (which mungu may prevent!!).
And, by the way, I will never accept a short-term contract. That's only for mercenaries.
I will fly for a fixed contract upon the airline and I can agree. In return I offer my commitment to the company. No more, no less.
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ya guys lets get facts together, kq is great , i did interviews i got like 5000hrs 30yrs old prime for airline hr and **** did on do well in maths but i am Pic on 206, 208, DHC-6 , beech craft 200 and finally on dash 8 , wonder where maths comes in , but i guess thats reqiurement,if they still get their prefarence in terms of accademics and KALPa aint doing **** about it then gues we will have few more duala,a before reality hits the nail on the head..... who em i to speak...... guess theybhave their selection process so up to standards that i can flop theirs and pass an airbus 320 sim check ride and interview process, anyaways Kapla is the reciting body of Kq and i guess their check list is better than the rest of the airlines......
So if we to help the pride of africa keep its satuts i guesss guys have to face facts and sort this out and get experience 1st then personal pride after get experienced help too keep up. NO NEED TO BE PRIDE OF AFRICA FOR 5 YEARS THEN IT FALLS TO ****. KALPA has young guys WAKE UP TO THE CALL!!! OUT
So if we to help the pride of africa keep its satuts i guesss guys have to face facts and sort this out and get experience 1st then personal pride after get experienced help too keep up. NO NEED TO BE PRIDE OF AFRICA FOR 5 YEARS THEN IT FALLS TO ****. KALPA has young guys WAKE UP TO THE CALL!!! OUT
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what kind of riffa are you smocking???
"Pilot error that a mzungu may prevent"....
And by the way the last time I checked wilson airport, alot of yanks and yahoos from alabama, north carolina and wisconsin were looking for bush flying gigs to get experience. Maybe you are one of the Delamere syndrome products who thinks you are too good compared to native kenyans; what the dude are you racist ?? Thats the exact reason why we have Kalpa to which am not even a member; to keep the likes of you with that retarded mentality off limits.So you think you can fix kenya's corrupt system as if you are living in your own little island singing kumbaya all day. Even the vatican itself has corruption deeply rooted. So yes, this is a noble proffession but I will scratch somebody's back if they sure will scratch mine in retro Corruption is why humanity wins!!! At the end of the day, I will be somewhere at the Carnivore enjoying the simple pleasures of life the kenyan way to which I believe you dearly miss!!!! My guess is , you are probably somewhere in the sandpit where you can not even get a simple lay.....go mount a mule
And oh by the way ask those young blokes you see there under 30 and they will mention training in Texas or Florida while the old timers Ex-military. So yes, KQ has an outstanding crew.
Onitl...sorry about yor case but wakenya twaweza kujikaza basi usife moyo. I have a pal after flying those miraa routes got hired and last time I checked , he got his way to left seat of a 757. He only but had a C plain overall in his grades. Naja nami pia nipange mlolongo moja kwa moja hadi siku ile itakuja.
what kind of riffa are you smocking???
"Pilot error that a mzungu may prevent".... And by the way the last time I checked wilson airport, alot of yanks and yahoos from alabama, north carolina and wisconsin were looking for bush flying gigs to get experience. Maybe you are one of the Delamere syndrome products who thinks you are too good compared to native kenyans; what the dude are you racist ?? Thats the exact reason why we have Kalpa to which am not even a member; to keep the likes of you with that retarded mentality off limits.So you think you can fix kenya's corrupt system as if you are living in your own little island singing kumbaya all day. Even the vatican itself has corruption deeply rooted. So yes, this is a noble proffession but I will scratch somebody's back if they sure will scratch mine in retro Corruption is why humanity wins!!! At the end of the day, I will be somewhere at the Carnivore enjoying the simple pleasures of life the kenyan way to which I believe you dearly miss!!!! My guess is , you are probably somewhere in the sandpit where you can not even get a simple lay.....go mount a mule And oh by the way ask those young blokes you see there under 30 and they will mention training in Texas or Florida while the old timers Ex-military. So yes, KQ has an outstanding crew.Onitl...sorry about yor case but wakenya twaweza kujikaza basi usife moyo. I have a pal after flying those miraa routes got hired and last time I checked , he got his way to left seat of a 757. He only but had a C plain overall in his grades. Naja nami pia nipange mlolongo moja kwa moja hadi siku ile itakuja.
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