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Simba Kali, as Renaissance has said, I wrote "Mungu" and not "Mzungu" as the one who may prevent more accidents.
Read my post once more, and this time properly, before writing comments like that. We're not in a Carnivore-barfight here.
And btw. I don't work in the sandpit, but even if I did, what does that have to do with anything we're talking about on this thread?
The only racists are those guys, who want to keep KQ free of foreigners.
Read my post once more, and this time properly, before writing comments like that. We're not in a Carnivore-barfight here.
And btw. I don't work in the sandpit, but even if I did, what does that have to do with anything we're talking about on this thread?
The only racists are those guys, who want to keep KQ free of foreigners.
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So Nightfire,
mungu mzungu....pilot error.....cut the crap, you know exactly what you meant
. Kalpa like any other unions in developed countries in the west; is bonafide and has the best of interests for the sovereign kenyan nationals. So far Kenya has been welcoming to wazungus even after the colonial era, and we shall keep it that way lest we kenyans want a "Mugabe" to take over
to which we actually don't. We shall stay moderate. FYI, Titus Naikuni happens to be a maasai too.....hats off!!!
Kotakota,
After its all said and done, we can only but speculate why they cancelled that 767 order. KQ at the end of the day will still remain profitable and should I say be "The envy of Africa" . Guyz , give credit where it is due and stop fidgetting with trivial matters.
mungu mzungu....pilot error.....cut the crap, you know exactly what you meant
. Kalpa like any other unions in developed countries in the west; is bonafide and has the best of interests for the sovereign kenyan nationals. So far Kenya has been welcoming to wazungus even after the colonial era, and we shall keep it that way lest we kenyans want a "Mugabe" to take over to which we actually don't. We shall stay moderate. FYI, Titus Naikuni happens to be a maasai too.....hats off!!!Kotakota,
After its all said and done, we can only but speculate why they cancelled that 767 order. KQ at the end of the day will still remain profitable and should I say be "The envy of Africa" . Guyz , give credit where it is due and stop fidgetting with trivial matters.
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SIMA KALI, I have been reading your posts on this thread and have come to the conclusion that your not really able to comment on this, being that you live in the UNITED STATES, Dallas if I am not mistaken to your location!! To bad our Unions do not stand up for us here in the US like they do in Kenya. I wish that our Unions here would only give jobs to American citizens and not Green card holders. This is a sore subject....I was raised in Africa, consider it my home and would do anything to go back there and work. My guess, your in flight training here, like everyone comes to do, living off of daddy's paycheck with a job all lined up back in Kenya when you get done......and if not your working here on a Green card and have really no room to lay into others that are just frustrated with the situation that it is. Don't get me wrong, I am glad that KALPA sticks up for you guz, too bad ours here in the US don't.......
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to be raelistic KALPA is self centerd and to my surprice when i visited kenya and tolke to me collegues we bumped into a few of them and yah i see the reason why KQ dropped in profits its not bad but men at the end of the day its a job like any other no need for guys to think its a big deal.!!!THEy are not ''indispenceble"'Look at what happened to the last chief..........!!!!!!where is Kalpa to his rescue.......
A helping hand is not bad!!Not all musungus want to live in kenya some would come exchange knowladge and enjoy and retire so the notion that foreiners are not cinsidered is a buch of crap????how many kenyans are flying all over guess they are not looked at so badly the way KAlpa does to forein's when it comes to KQ,
A helping hand is not bad!!Not all musungus want to live in kenya some would come exchange knowladge and enjoy and retire so the notion that foreiners are not cinsidered is a buch of crap????how many kenyans are flying all over guess they are not looked at so badly the way KAlpa does to forein's when it comes to KQ,
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Yup, very easy to jump on the patriot/xenophobic wagon.
What if all countries did this? how many Kenyan brothers will be without work.
Very African...
...blind to everything except the colour of your skin.
What if all countries did this? how many Kenyan brothers will be without work.
Very African...
...blind to everything except the colour of your skin.
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Before you guyz open you fat mouths and point fingures at Kalpa and KQ , do any of you really understand the plight a common kenyan national faces ? Can anyone give a guess to what the current unemployment rate is ? Income per capita ?? So why should I stand in line waiting for Mr. Johns who has taken my spot......
That's a bunch of BS !!! Does it make sense to any bloke in here to why anybody would let that happen to its citizens. Sounds clever doesn't it Nightfire ?? You claim to have lived in Kenya for 16 yrs and yet could not even identify what my point is ?..What a shame..!! What do you really know about Kenya?? Or were you one of those fat wazunguz enjoying yourselves at Panafric and Ngong playing Polo while a braniac stuck in Mathare slums could be having the job a yahoo is sitting on? Doesn't make sense does it ? Then here you are pissing in your own pool, sometimes you people are too smart to a point you get too foolish. Its like you are living in a radarless existence pretending not to know what Kenyans are all about. Should a "Mugabe" take over; God Forbid I don't know what then you will have to say about all your fellow yanks at wilson....Take that to heart and sleep on it. At the end of the day, its all about making a kenyan national's life better than it was yesterday. A pilots salary can feed an entire clan , believe me. For those who think life in kenya is a bed of roses, think and re-think again. Before you try to get a splint out of my eye, get those logs out of yours first!! Peace out !!
ONITL...You seem to have it all figured out about KQ's drop in profits. Please elaborate on this.Leave Kalpa out of this because kalpa has nothing whatsoever to do with it.....Shed some light
Buddhapilot.....I might be flying here in the states doing a job that any other American citizen doesn't want...comprende amigo???
That's a bunch of BS !!! Does it make sense to any bloke in here to why anybody would let that happen to its citizens. Sounds clever doesn't it Nightfire ?? You claim to have lived in Kenya for 16 yrs and yet could not even identify what my point is ?..What a shame..!! What do you really know about Kenya?? Or were you one of those fat wazunguz enjoying yourselves at Panafric and Ngong playing Polo while a braniac stuck in Mathare slums could be having the job a yahoo is sitting on? Doesn't make sense does it ? Then here you are pissing in your own pool, sometimes you people are too smart to a point you get too foolish. Its like you are living in a radarless existence pretending not to know what Kenyans are all about. Should a "Mugabe" take over; God Forbid I don't know what then you will have to say about all your fellow yanks at wilson....Take that to heart and sleep on it. At the end of the day, its all about making a kenyan national's life better than it was yesterday. A pilots salary can feed an entire clan , believe me. For those who think life in kenya is a bed of roses, think and re-think again. Before you try to get a splint out of my eye, get those logs out of yours first!! Peace out !!ONITL...You seem to have it all figured out about KQ's drop in profits. Please elaborate on this.Leave Kalpa out of this because kalpa has nothing whatsoever to do with it.....Shed some light
Buddhapilot.....I might be flying here in the states doing a job that any other American citizen doesn't want...comprende amigo???
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simbe kali......
Mugabe is really in your vokab.......
are you going to force kenyans to get pilot licence while the gvt aint even 'trainign candidates to oersue the career !!! unless you go through the military and thats takes time so if there would be shortage do you wana tell me we park the flet waiting for those who can afford to train and get qualified and take off.... there is where i think a helping hand comes in so before we start saying foreiner this that we look at the big picture, by the way i know a manager at safaricom who feeds his entire clan with his salary which is bettar than KQ capt on 777 so flying is cool but dont be mistaken that its all about salary>>>> Quality of life.... why earn loads and yo live a F... misearable life.... Kenya cannot survive on its own like anyother conrty we need each other so its fair enough to share or exchange where necessary....What happpens when Kq goes down i.e air uganda Kq aint anyspecial what are you gonna post !!!!!!! so we are getting learned and its a learining process till one is 6'' under so let surpport job sharing where its needed,,,,,,,
Mugabe is really in your vokab.......
are you going to force kenyans to get pilot licence while the gvt aint even 'trainign candidates to oersue the career !!! unless you go through the military and thats takes time so if there would be shortage do you wana tell me we park the flet waiting for those who can afford to train and get qualified and take off.... there is where i think a helping hand comes in so before we start saying foreiner this that we look at the big picture, by the way i know a manager at safaricom who feeds his entire clan with his salary which is bettar than KQ capt on 777 so flying is cool but dont be mistaken that its all about salary>>>> Quality of life.... why earn loads and yo live a F... misearable life.... Kenya cannot survive on its own like anyother conrty we need each other so its fair enough to share or exchange where necessary....What happpens when Kq goes down i.e air uganda Kq aint anyspecial what are you gonna post !!!!!!! so we are getting learned and its a learining process till one is 6'' under so let surpport job sharing where its needed,,,,,,,
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Onitl....you too needs some ganja
KQ isn't government owned or ran; used to be until in the early 90's but not any more. Have you heard of the KQ's ab-initio programme? If you are a kenyan citizen and didn't qualify; probably you are dumb or psycho to KQ 's standards. Blame that on the dayz when you were snoozing off and day dreaming in class while that poor kid from Mathare slums with straight A's got bonded to the airline's training programme. Lookie here mate, at this point, your opinions are rather pointless, utterly baseless and useless. You might be some kid from Muthaiga or Karen bla bla bla....so you may not understand where am headed with this. The overwhelming number of kenyan pilots, trained both locally and overseas is more than enough to cater to not only KQ but also any and all airlines in Kenya. For Kalpa, its a body to safeguard the honey pot i.e keep employment rights reserved entirely for kenyan pilots which isn't really a bad thing or is it? Rave, rant and whine all you want...Bang your heads all you want B ut at the end of the day, this is Kenya and shyte will remain the same. And good old Kalpa & KQ shall prosper. Lala salama..
KQ isn't government owned or ran; used to be until in the early 90's but not any more. Have you heard of the KQ's ab-initio programme? If you are a kenyan citizen and didn't qualify; probably you are dumb or psycho to KQ 's standards. Blame that on the dayz when you were snoozing off and day dreaming in class while that poor kid from Mathare slums with straight A's got bonded to the airline's training programme. Lookie here mate, at this point, your opinions are rather pointless, utterly baseless and useless. You might be some kid from Muthaiga or Karen bla bla bla....so you may not understand where am headed with this. The overwhelming number of kenyan pilots, trained both locally and overseas is more than enough to cater to not only KQ but also any and all airlines in Kenya. For Kalpa, its a body to safeguard the honey pot i.e keep employment rights reserved entirely for kenyan pilots which isn't really a bad thing or is it? Rave, rant and whine all you want...Bang your heads all you want
B ut at the end of the day, this is Kenya and shyte will remain the same. And good old Kalpa & KQ shall prosper. Lala salama..
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Guys, let's calm down again.
It'll get us nowhere if we yell at each other, and verbal abusement won't convince anybody. That's not how professionals should talk to each other, is it.
I understand that point, Simba, that it's extremely hard in Kenya to get a well-paid job, and if you do, then you are the one to feed the rest of your relatives. No doubt about it.
However, I believe that KALPA's true reason to protect the airline from foreigners coming in, is to protect the high salaries of pilots. Anybody working in KQ has the option to leave and to work in Asia or the Middle East, while at the same time knowing that their jobs in Kenya are protected.
So if it is just for feeding your family, then you don't rely solely on KQ.
And if KQ requires experienced airline pilots, then what's wrong with employing them from outside. As I said, we're not talking about young FO's who just come to collect some hours and then run for it.
As for ab-inits: Kids who can afford to pay for the training plus type-rating, are not the kind of guys who have to stand for and support the rest of their family. While ex-military and airline-sponsored trainees anyway have a reserved job to begin with. So they are also taken care of.
The requirement for experienced professionals, regardless of their skin-color or their passport, cannot be met by young start-ups. In fact, I only read an article a few days ago, that KQ is losing a lot of pilots right now.
So how about me wanting to come to KQ instead? I'll work as an instructor, so in fact I'm even going to help train some new pilots.
Truth is: If Kenya Airways wants to stay the pride of Africa (which I believe it still is), then they will have to go international.
It'll get us nowhere if we yell at each other, and verbal abusement won't convince anybody. That's not how professionals should talk to each other, is it.
I understand that point, Simba, that it's extremely hard in Kenya to get a well-paid job, and if you do, then you are the one to feed the rest of your relatives. No doubt about it.
However, I believe that KALPA's true reason to protect the airline from foreigners coming in, is to protect the high salaries of pilots. Anybody working in KQ has the option to leave and to work in Asia or the Middle East, while at the same time knowing that their jobs in Kenya are protected.
So if it is just for feeding your family, then you don't rely solely on KQ.
And if KQ requires experienced airline pilots, then what's wrong with employing them from outside. As I said, we're not talking about young FO's who just come to collect some hours and then run for it.
As for ab-inits: Kids who can afford to pay for the training plus type-rating, are not the kind of guys who have to stand for and support the rest of their family. While ex-military and airline-sponsored trainees anyway have a reserved job to begin with. So they are also taken care of.
The requirement for experienced professionals, regardless of their skin-color or their passport, cannot be met by young start-ups. In fact, I only read an article a few days ago, that KQ is losing a lot of pilots right now.
So how about me wanting to come to KQ instead? I'll work as an instructor, so in fact I'm even going to help train some new pilots.
Truth is: If Kenya Airways wants to stay the pride of Africa (which I believe it still is), then they will have to go international.
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what happens when Kq closes shop? thats me question u did not answer that, what are the kenyans gona safe guard if we shutting down doors now!!!!
Are ugandan.s and tanzanian foreiners......,
i might be rich yes so what!!! etc but worked for it but in our comunity we dont despair others its a small world mybe one day you will understand because i still dont understand your point on looking foreiners out.
what happens when Kq closes shop? thats me question u did not answer that, what are the kenyans gona safe guard if we shutting down doors now!!!!
Are ugandan.s and tanzanian foreiners......,
i might be rich yes so what!!! etc but worked for it but in our comunity we dont despair others its a small world mybe one day you will understand because i still dont understand your point on looking foreiners out.
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When Simba kali roars we know what the problem is . This is precisely what Mr Naikuni will be concerned about . People more concerned about themselves than the future of the company.
Waving the name Mugabe around shows some naivety . He maybe the scourge of the white man to many , but he is worse to many of his own people who must now regret voting for him . If a 'Mugabe' did get in power in Kenya , then you can kiss byebye to tourism and KQ as a going concern , so be a little more responsible with your remarks.
Shame we cannot have a balanced forum discussion about this topic without someone waving the race card.
Waving the name Mugabe around shows some naivety . He maybe the scourge of the white man to many , but he is worse to many of his own people who must now regret voting for him . If a 'Mugabe' did get in power in Kenya , then you can kiss byebye to tourism and KQ as a going concern , so be a little more responsible with your remarks.
Shame we cannot have a balanced forum discussion about this topic without someone waving the race card.
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Simba Kali,
You are a racist, ill informed ,loudmouth ,inexperienced tw@t. How come you can insult foreigners with overtly racist overtones (wazungu)but if I call you a stupid african with a village mentality Ill get slated for it. Or maybe you're just a nugu.
The "foreigners taking our jobs" is so last decade sonny. Get with the programme. If KQ wants to compete in an international ,market they will have to hire internationally as others do. A legally landed immigrants' status is no concern of KALPAs. They are hiding behind "no foreigners" to protect the cushy number theyare on. The real losers long term are people like you who get shafted by their own people. But then again you are already a loser. Living in the past.
If I come to KQ on a fixed term contract it isnt to steal your jobs, country, or shag your women (see below), its to fill a crewing/training gap in the interim and is used by airlines all over the world. If bigoted zealots like you are still around in todays kenyan youth then God help Kenya.
Dont worry though , after 12 years at wilson ive had enough of prats like you at dambusters ...all chip on shoulder and zero talent, waiting to crash. So lets blame the foreigners.
Word up . Its your own people that are feckin you up not a few contract pilots.
As for getting properly laid in Nairobi. I would rather cut my dick off than have casual sex in the carnivore.. Enough niceties. Its about time you were told. You see I dont have to worry about your cousin in Nyayo hse coming for me anymore because you lost an arguement, so it is what it is, and you are what i said.
Another generation blaming europe for their woes. three generations after they self determined. What a crock.
You are a racist, ill informed ,loudmouth ,inexperienced tw@t. How come you can insult foreigners with overtly racist overtones (wazungu)but if I call you a stupid african with a village mentality Ill get slated for it. Or maybe you're just a nugu.
The "foreigners taking our jobs" is so last decade sonny. Get with the programme. If KQ wants to compete in an international ,market they will have to hire internationally as others do. A legally landed immigrants' status is no concern of KALPAs. They are hiding behind "no foreigners" to protect the cushy number theyare on. The real losers long term are people like you who get shafted by their own people. But then again you are already a loser. Living in the past.
If I come to KQ on a fixed term contract it isnt to steal your jobs, country, or shag your women (see below), its to fill a crewing/training gap in the interim and is used by airlines all over the world. If bigoted zealots like you are still around in todays kenyan youth then God help Kenya.
Dont worry though , after 12 years at wilson ive had enough of prats like you at dambusters ...all chip on shoulder and zero talent, waiting to crash. So lets blame the foreigners.
Word up . Its your own people that are feckin you up not a few contract pilots.
As for getting properly laid in Nairobi. I would rather cut my dick off than have casual sex in the carnivore.. Enough niceties. Its about time you were told. You see I dont have to worry about your cousin in Nyayo hse coming for me anymore because you lost an arguement, so it is what it is, and you are what i said.
Another generation blaming europe for their woes. three generations after they self determined. What a crock.
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if i may ask are you flying in kenya i guess not so you in states ... good for you i hope you are not blaphing coz if you are then i guess there in no point of discussing issues with you till you mature a bit.
Anyways i thing guys simba kali things KQ is his families back yard company WHAT ashame........
i am kenyan by birth and proud to say i have learnt alot from Muzungus interms of flying which has consolidated my experience i guess wat simba if you good at what you do you should not be intimidated, so i command citation , dah 8 at 30 salary same as 777 capt kq????where has a muzungu bared me from making it??? dude if you one of those F/o's for life who cannot move Then re think your posting before you tell us how frustrated you are in your avaition career talking about mugabe n **** Men u are OLD school, WHO hengs out Panafik,carni is old school dude Get a life
if i may ask are you flying in kenya i guess not so you in states ... good for you i hope you are not blaphing coz if you are then i guess there in no point of discussing issues with you till you mature a bit.
Anyways i thing guys simba kali things KQ is his families back yard company WHAT ashame........
i am kenyan by birth and proud to say i have learnt alot from Muzungus interms of flying which has consolidated my experience i guess wat simba if you good at what you do you should not be intimidated, so i command citation , dah 8 at 30 salary same as 777 capt kq????where has a muzungu bared me from making it??? dude if you one of those F/o's for life who cannot move Then re think your posting before you tell us how frustrated you are in your avaition career talking about mugabe n **** Men u are OLD school, WHO hengs out Panafik,carni is old school dude Get a life
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What The?????????
Damn, you guys turned this into a war zone. Take it easy. Anyway i really pray for all the engineers at KQ beacause i know that non of the pilots have any financial issues at KQ. Unfortunately there is a lot of segregation, politics and the word KQ loves to use "canvasing" going on not only at KQ but also at wilson airport. So all those of you who are lucky to have "GOD FATHERS" dont go around struting like you are the shit. There is a war out there and always keep in mind that the guy you see cleaning or fuelling or even the porter during a transit could have made a much better pilot or engineer than you given the opportunity. You earn respect by giving it.
it. There is a war out there and always keep in mind that the guy you see cleaning or fuelling or even the porter during a transit could have made a much better pilot or engineer than you given the opportunity. You earn respect by giving it.
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Engg4life, I don't really understand what you are arguing about.
You seem to be upset about the salary-difference between pilots and other personnel. Nobody here is talking about, or is interested in communist stuff about who deserves to be paid more.
Yes, we consider ourselves lucky.
Yes, sorry for maintenance people who earn less.
Sorry for all those other people who earn less.
Now what? Does that make you feel better? Or do you just want to pour oil into the fire here? We're discussing about employment at KQ on this thread.
You seem to be upset about the salary-difference between pilots and other personnel. Nobody here is talking about, or is interested in communist stuff about who deserves to be paid more.
Yes, we consider ourselves lucky.
Yes, sorry for maintenance people who earn less.
Sorry for all those other people who earn less.
Now what? Does that make you feel better? Or do you just want to pour oil into the fire here? We're discussing about employment at KQ on this thread.
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so i hope we all agree KQ should employ regardless of race colour if its to prosper like any other sucessfull airliner. i think thats the way to go,
So when out there guys its a movement to educate and enlighten everyone racisum etc etc aint helpin anyone so simba kali calm down and lets face facts we need each other. bravo to all for participating and shining light TO THE REAL WORLD
So when out there guys its a movement to educate and enlighten everyone racisum etc etc aint helpin anyone so simba kali calm down and lets face facts we need each other. bravo to all for participating and shining light TO THE REAL WORLD