Beech 1900D in Bush operations
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Beech 1900D in Bush operations
Was wondering if anyone has any experience about flying the beech 1900D in Bush operations. Namely the issue's are the fiber glass props in airstrips with gravel/stones also the performance of the aircraft in hot and high conditions. Namely 4500 feet elevation airstrips with ambient temps of around the 30 degree centigrade range. Also is there perhaps an online resource for the take off distances with a full load etc.. also operating costs for such an aircraft both wet and dry. And also operators leasing such aircraft and rates and insurance etc.
Thanks for any help forth coming
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Hi SBC,
Are u taking a stab at anyone in particular? still being the loyal servant?
You might wanna fly a 1900 one of these fine days
The 1900 does gravel quite well provided the surface is not too rough or undulating etc... The height of the intakes is not much different from the caravans, so inertial separation is more or less the same.
Only problem in my opinion is runway length if you stick to book V speeds (as one should when they fly in the bush, or anywhere for that matter)
Cheers gals and guys...
Are u taking a stab at anyone in particular? still being the loyal servant?
You might wanna fly a 1900 one of these fine days
The 1900 does gravel quite well provided the surface is not too rough or undulating etc... The height of the intakes is not much different from the caravans, so inertial separation is more or less the same.
Only problem in my opinion is runway length if you stick to book V speeds (as one should when they fly in the bush, or anywhere for that matter)
Cheers gals and guys...
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aha, i was wondering when kj was gonna speak up,and speak up he did...how are you buddy?
as difficult it may be to digest this but sbc is not being the guardian this time but perhaps he is just wondering how to handle the competition, like i have always said speed always win v/s anything..apparently there are a couple of 1900 in the country operating up north,and everyone including myself is wondering wht they perform like in a country where v-speeds are not often followed ....
mad at you i am kj cause i heard you were here and stopped by to see that messed up scooby but didnt buzz up your buddy.....
keep it up there fellows,
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as difficult it may be to digest this but sbc is not being the guardian this time but perhaps he is just wondering how to handle the competition, like i have always said speed always win v/s anything..apparently there are a couple of 1900 in the country operating up north,and everyone including myself is wondering wht they perform like in a country where v-speeds are not often followed ....
mad at you i am kj cause i heard you were here and stopped by to see that messed up scooby but didnt buzz up your buddy.....
keep it up there fellows,
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Props seem to handle it surprisingly well (at least the titanium(?) leading edges do, the blades themselves can get paint chipped off etc) if you're careful with reverse and feather checks, but everything on the underside of the aircraft, from the rotating beacon (we lost ours entirely at one point), to the blade antennaes (end up cracking, causing a banshee wail over the com in moisture) takes a real beating, as do the flap undersides (look like they've been hit with birdshot, despite being retracted immediately upon touchdown).
Have a beefed up shield made for the beacon, and plan on reskinning the flaps at some stage. Use plenty of blade tape on the antennaes. Keep it out of the rain as well when parked, otherwise they tend to need bilge pumps if you don't want to carry around 50 kgs of water. Plus the avionics/flap motor etc probably don't enjoy working too well when completely immersed in water.
Gotta love it!
Have a beefed up shield made for the beacon, and plan on reskinning the flaps at some stage. Use plenty of blade tape on the antennaes. Keep it out of the rain as well when parked, otherwise they tend to need bilge pumps if you don't want to carry around 50 kgs of water. Plus the avionics/flap motor etc probably don't enjoy working too well when completely immersed in water.
Gotta love it!
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Hey 406
Yes I was there for a short while. It was meant to be a clandestine hit and run mission, but it didn't work. I saw DP and KP and the scooby boys..... Anyhoo.. I remember talking to you after the Kili controller "reminded" you that u were supposed call him when clear of flight level 170. He held KLM up ther coz of you....
Well I am in NYC now. You know why. I wanted to go see the guy in Arusha, but got too busy before i left. The 1900's will do well. the right size and speed. The airstrips might have to be improved to accomodate, but where there is a will there is a way.
The flemish cowboy needs to go to HTAR and get away from the mafia... Its only a matter time before the mafia's business model becomes obsolete. The 1900 is a great machine.... Especially the D models...
Don't be mad SP... Be happy
Yes I was there for a short while. It was meant to be a clandestine hit and run mission, but it didn't work. I saw DP and KP and the scooby boys..... Anyhoo.. I remember talking to you after the Kili controller "reminded" you that u were supposed call him when clear of flight level 170. He held KLM up ther coz of you....
Well I am in NYC now. You know why. I wanted to go see the guy in Arusha, but got too busy before i left. The 1900's will do well. the right size and speed. The airstrips might have to be improved to accomodate, but where there is a will there is a way.
The flemish cowboy needs to go to HTAR and get away from the mafia... Its only a matter time before the mafia's business model becomes obsolete. The 1900 is a great machine.... Especially the D models...
Don't be mad SP... Be happy
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hi kj,
yeah i do remember that day in kili...it alright im not really mad at you buddy...any news from the pacific ocean? all the best on doing the real thing in nyc...tc
i know the guy running the show in htar if you are interested.....
keep it up there fellows,
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yeah i do remember that day in kili...it alright im not really mad at you buddy...any news from the pacific ocean? all the best on doing the real thing in nyc...tc
i know the guy running the show in htar if you are interested.....
keep it up there fellows,
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hey riccardo volante please please please get a life buddy,
please move on man, by now everyone is aware of the experiences you had but its upto you to decided that no one really cares about you so please do us all a favour and keep your sorrows to yourself..this is africa and s
t happens more often than you think...
to everyone else i saw the 1900d parked at kia,looks way to kool even if i was i was next to it in a fluffy.
keep it up there fellows
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please move on man, by now everyone is aware of the experiences you had but its upto you to decided that no one really cares about you so please do us all a favour and keep your sorrows to yourself..this is africa and s
t happens more often than you think...to everyone else i saw the 1900d parked at kia,looks way to kool even if i was i was next to it in a fluffy.
keep it up there fellows
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Dear no more 406
Dear no more 406,thank you for your reply.
I take your advice for the future but if I my suggest you do not need to read my reply if you do not want or if you do not like it.
I hope do not take my opinion personally.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
PS
All the best to the new air company , that is a sign of a new begining of a new era.BE 1900 is the right plane for the kind of business.Happy to hear that.
I take your advice for the future but if I my suggest you do not need to read my reply if you do not want or if you do not like it.
I hope do not take my opinion personally.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
PS
All the best to the new air company , that is a sign of a new begining of a new era.BE 1900 is the right plane for the kind of business.Happy to hear that.
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406 I think you are the one that needs to get a life and move on! I know you wish you were still flying the 406, but come on mate change your name dude
Take care tiger.
Take care tiger.
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Ah the slagging begins, how's it going Helldog?
Was wondering if this is the right plane for the Serengetti, considering it only takes 50 minutes to get form Arusha to Seronera in a Van or a Twin otter. Thinking perhaps it's too much plane for the job, also the hopping around in the serengetti, lot of short legs. But for sure it's the right plane for Arusha to Zanzibar and the Ruaha run. Also for some smaller internal routes that used to be flown by Eagle Air.
But what is intresting is that Arusha is Runway is limited to Seven tons, so officially it's too heavy, unless there have been some changes.
What other aircraft in a similar size range are suitable? We got the Let's and twin otters out here already and they do well, but what about CASA 212's Though officially also too heavy. Dornier 228's have prooved their worth out here too, so long as they are looked after, In my View the 228 is a great plane.
Was wondering if this is the right plane for the Serengetti, considering it only takes 50 minutes to get form Arusha to Seronera in a Van or a Twin otter. Thinking perhaps it's too much plane for the job, also the hopping around in the serengetti, lot of short legs. But for sure it's the right plane for Arusha to Zanzibar and the Ruaha run. Also for some smaller internal routes that used to be flown by Eagle Air.
But what is intresting is that Arusha is Runway is limited to Seven tons, so officially it's too heavy, unless there have been some changes.
What other aircraft in a similar size range are suitable? We got the Let's and twin otters out here already and they do well, but what about CASA 212's Though officially also too heavy. Dornier 228's have prooved their worth out here too, so long as they are looked after, In my View the 228 is a great plane.
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Bandit?
EMBRAER BANDEIRANTEBitmap STANDARD CRUISE SPEED210 KTSMAXIMUM RANGE INCL 1HR RESERVE950 NMMAXIMUM PASSANGERS (2 CREW)17FUEL ENDURANCE INCL 1HR RESERVE04:30 HRSMAXIMUM PAYLOAD AVAILABLE WITH 0 FUEL2270 KG OR 5000 LBSMAXIMUM PAYLOAD AVAILABLE WITH FULL FUEL816 KG OR 1800 LBSFUEL BURN PER HR
mate, not sure if these figures are 100% correct but it all seems ok. I liked the look of it but have never flown it so dont quote these figures. also not too sure how many there are arround, though there are a lot for sale in the states. non pressurised so could pose a problem with the rocks in the cloud. hope it helps.
Dog
mate, not sure if these figures are 100% correct but it all seems ok. I liked the look of it but have never flown it so dont quote these figures. also not too sure how many there are arround, though there are a lot for sale in the states. non pressurised so could pose a problem with the rocks in the cloud. hope it helps.
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let the slagging begin...
howzit helldog...
point taken dude, but the title stays until im in command of you know wht....missed your slagging though...
much to my annoyance i must agree with the cowboy that the short sector is not the ideal enviroment for the airliner,may be time will tell...it usually does..
while we are at it here is a new one: i've heard the F28 is on its way aswell competing with tanzania's finest and of course the national flag carrier,on the cut-throat dar-jro-znz run...karibu sana
keep it up there fellows,
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point taken dude, but the title stays until im in command of you know wht....missed your slagging though...
much to my annoyance i must agree with the cowboy that the short sector is not the ideal enviroment for the airliner,may be time will tell...it usually does..
while we are at it here is a new one: i've heard the F28 is on its way aswell competing with tanzania's finest and of course the national flag carrier,on the cut-throat dar-jro-znz run...karibu sana
keep it up there fellows,
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Let410!!!!!!!!
406,
For once i actually agree with your posting regarding Mr. RiccadoV. Riccardo Bambino Please Bwana Grow up!!!!! Leave it behind Get a Life!!!!!!!
I also agree with my buddy Helldogydog!!!!
406 its definately time for you to change your name bwana to say Bigbuddaboywhodigspopadoms!!!!!!
BTW I did try to call you to say hi when I was last in tz but your phone was always off both Zantel and the celtel no so pole bwana.
SBC I believe the Beech 1900 is a good A/C for these routes, however a cheaper alternative which is just as good for the short hops is the LET410 by far. The B1900 is the definately the winner hands down on longer routes eg Arusha-Dar, Dar-Mwanza, Mwanza-Nairobi etc.
With the figures quoted on the Banderantie they will do great on those short hops but I think you will find that you will again get more out of a LET410 in terms of profit. The only thing from those figures quoted on the bandit that beats the LET is the 210KT speed but on short hops who cares!!!!
Happy Landings!!!!!!
Pete!!!!!!
For once i actually agree with your posting regarding Mr. RiccadoV. Riccardo Bambino Please Bwana Grow up!!!!! Leave it behind Get a Life!!!!!!!
I also agree with my buddy Helldogydog!!!!
406 its definately time for you to change your name bwana to say Bigbuddaboywhodigspopadoms!!!!!!
BTW I did try to call you to say hi when I was last in tz but your phone was always off both Zantel and the celtel no so pole bwana.
SBC I believe the Beech 1900 is a good A/C for these routes, however a cheaper alternative which is just as good for the short hops is the LET410 by far. The B1900 is the definately the winner hands down on longer routes eg Arusha-Dar, Dar-Mwanza, Mwanza-Nairobi etc.
With the figures quoted on the Banderantie they will do great on those short hops but I think you will find that you will again get more out of a LET410 in terms of profit. The only thing from those figures quoted on the bandit that beats the LET is the 210KT speed but on short hops who cares!!!!
Happy Landings!!!!!!
Pete!!!!!!
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Tanzania
More than airplane Tanzania need more professional pilots.Looking at all those years with a lots aviation problems and attitude of pilots "serving" at any cost their boss the situation will never take off there.BE 1900 ? yes very good airplane so also the C208 and so on , but until the mentality of servilism and unprofessionality will remain , no matter what airplane you will put in tanzania nothing will change.
Regards
Riccardo volante
Regards
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hi guys
this is a great country with even greater people and the greatest of aviators why else would everyone who has been here be so passionate about contributing to this thread, i just love it when something is being said about tz aviation and all you guys who are not here anymore but once shared these skies with me contribute,even if its for the slagging.
pete ma men i need to thank pprune, where else would i find a guy who would counsel the let 410...only you and i know why you tend to vote for russian built or shall i say east european built trash...
i do think its illegal to have 2 pprune handles..so 406 rocks for now atleast
keep it up there fellows,
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this is a great country with even greater people and the greatest of aviators why else would everyone who has been here be so passionate about contributing to this thread, i just love it when something is being said about tz aviation and all you guys who are not here anymore but once shared these skies with me contribute,even if its for the slagging.
pete ma men i need to thank pprune, where else would i find a guy who would counsel the let 410...only you and i know why you tend to vote for russian built or shall i say east european built trash...
i do think its illegal to have 2 pprune handles..so 406 rocks for now atleast
keep it up there fellows,
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