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You live by the sword, You die by one
I hear that those who enjoyed downgrading others have been downgraded themselves.
Funny that no-one actually made mention of anything in that direction.
Like someone said in an earlier post, it is a matter of time before the 'tin gods' outdo each other.
It definitely seems like the direction they're headed.
Funny that no-one actually made mention of anything in that direction.
Like someone said in an earlier post, it is a matter of time before the 'tin gods' outdo each other.
It definitely seems like the direction they're headed.
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Virgin Nigeria Interview Info
Hi Guys,
I have recently been told by Virgin Nigeria that I'll be invited for phase two when they begin recruiting again. I would really appreciate it if anyone who has been through the interview process would mind sharing their experiences with me. Any help would be greatly appreciated. PM me if you prefer.
Many thanks,
ShockSymbol.
I have recently been told by Virgin Nigeria that I'll be invited for phase two when they begin recruiting again. I would really appreciate it if anyone who has been through the interview process would mind sharing their experiences with me. Any help would be greatly appreciated. PM me if you prefer.
Many thanks,
ShockSymbol.
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I agree with you mate!
That time is certainly near! All others have kept quiet in fear of being victimised by the so called 'tin gods', but strangely, nature has a way of healing itself.
FB keep it up mate, i see you're on the right track.
That time is certainly near! All others have kept quiet in fear of being victimised by the so called 'tin gods', but strangely, nature has a way of healing itself.
FB keep it up mate, i see you're on the right track.
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Howdy,
I too have recieved an email saying I will be invited to stage two when recruiting starts again.
Can someone please give a brief rundown of what is involved in stage two, is there a stage three?
Also would be keen to read a run down of day to day life on the line from an ex-pat F/O flying for VK. Schedules, pay, operating standards, maintenance standards. Where do you do your training? Is the standard high? What is the take home pay per fortnight after basic living expenses (ie how much can you save or if you're not that way inclined, spend on overseas holidays)
Also, do you pay for your type rating? Are you bonded? I am sure most of this information is hidden away in the 32 pages behind here but to be honest, most of it is drivel and I'm paying through the nose at a cafe so if someone could write a wee story that would be great, Cheers
I too have recieved an email saying I will be invited to stage two when recruiting starts again.
Can someone please give a brief rundown of what is involved in stage two, is there a stage three?
Also would be keen to read a run down of day to day life on the line from an ex-pat F/O flying for VK. Schedules, pay, operating standards, maintenance standards. Where do you do your training? Is the standard high? What is the take home pay per fortnight after basic living expenses (ie how much can you save or if you're not that way inclined, spend on overseas holidays)
Also, do you pay for your type rating? Are you bonded? I am sure most of this information is hidden away in the 32 pages behind here but to be honest, most of it is drivel and I'm paying through the nose at a cafe so if someone could write a wee story that would be great, Cheers
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Guys,
the 2nd part of the interview consists of a physcometric and sim assesment. No one to my knowlege has been made to pay for their type and i really have to say its discouraging when individuals unaware of what transpired in training sessions blames the Dfo for demoting crew. All who passed GCAT as captains are still captains to the best of my knowlege. Pls correct me if i am wrong. Fly safe. Virgin nigeria is not the best but far from the worst.
the 2nd part of the interview consists of a physcometric and sim assesment. No one to my knowlege has been made to pay for their type and i really have to say its discouraging when individuals unaware of what transpired in training sessions blames the Dfo for demoting crew. All who passed GCAT as captains are still captains to the best of my knowlege. Pls correct me if i am wrong. Fly safe. Virgin nigeria is not the best but far from the worst.
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Thanks NIJASEA,
A google search has found a company in Yorkshire that claims to do the VK sim training, is that correct?
Do VK expect people invited to the 2nd stage to find there own way there? I am in Australia and not sure that I would be keen to fund my own way to Nigeria or UK or wherever the 2nd stage is held.
Come on chaps, out with the info for a prospective VK pilot, where do the ex-pat pilots live when they are in Lagos?
Thanks in advance.
A google search has found a company in Yorkshire that claims to do the VK sim training, is that correct?
Do VK expect people invited to the 2nd stage to find there own way there? I am in Australia and not sure that I would be keen to fund my own way to Nigeria or UK or wherever the 2nd stage is held.
Come on chaps, out with the info for a prospective VK pilot, where do the ex-pat pilots live when they are in Lagos?
Thanks in advance.
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cjam,
i went to the second stage at vk a couple of weeks ago. it was held at Altion in gatwick.
vk pays for everything.
u might be asked to arrange your own travel and payment initially and vk will reimburse you.
I was quite happy with the whole thing.
I wish u luck..
i went to the second stage at vk a couple of weeks ago. it was held at Altion in gatwick.
vk pays for everything.
u might be asked to arrange your own travel and payment initially and vk will reimburse you.
I was quite happy with the whole thing.
I wish u luck..
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VK long haul
Dear folks, im intrested in a career with vk, but on the long haul fleet, can anyone whose been through the assesement tell me how you get selected for the long haul fleet.
Im rated on the B737 and A330 with 8500 total time.
Thanks all
Im rated on the B737 and A330 with 8500 total time.
Thanks all
I am sometimes left wondering whether some of you guys looking for jobs ever bother to read a thread before bleating on about your hours and pleading for a job!!
As stated not many pages back the VK A340 fleet is being returned to the lessors, the A330 is being damp leased from BMi as a stop gap, therefore BMi pilots will be used, and the B767 is also on a damp lease from Astraeus, same deal with Astraeus pilots being used.
The 733 fleet has a good number of very good Nigerian flight deck
As stated not many pages back the VK A340 fleet is being returned to the lessors, the A330 is being damp leased from BMi as a stop gap, therefore BMi pilots will be used, and the B767 is also on a damp lease from Astraeus, same deal with Astraeus pilots being used.
The 733 fleet has a good number of very good Nigerian flight deck
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Mr surely know it all
I thought this was an open forum where information is shared freely, i dont see the need to be brash, cos if youre not willing to respond to others in a civil manner there,re a lot of helpfull guys out there willing to offer good info.
Finally i cant recall any "pleading" in my thread, cos you know any competent experienced pilot doesnt need to plead for a job.
Finally i cant recall any "pleading" in my thread, cos you know any competent experienced pilot doesnt need to plead for a job.
Granted I have been out of the loop for awhile now, but weren't most of the A340 pilots were secondees from VK? The few Nigerians they had will have been accomodated on the 733 I guess. RevNetwork what say you?
Dear Mr Whitedove2, I am so sorry if the tone of my post caused you upset and anxiety. I think though that if you bothered to read it properly it would be clear that I wasn't suggesting that help and assistance should be witheld.
On the contrary I was suggesting that if people bothered to show some initiative, they could have gone back no more than 2 pages of this thread and gained the knowledge that they were seeking
I realise that not having an Ops boy to change the pages for you is something of a disadvantage, but go on give it a try..............
On the contrary I was suggesting that if people bothered to show some initiative, they could have gone back no more than 2 pages of this thread and gained the knowledge that they were seeking
I realise that not having an Ops boy to change the pages for you is something of a disadvantage, but go on give it a try..............
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quote "And the Nigerian A340 pilots go where"
Where ever Bransons boys want them to be put
for goodness sakes I hope some of my Niger colleagues here are pilots cos its obvious whats been going on with the A340 from time and lately, that the locals are not very welcome handling their A340s and I say that with all authority.
I have seen this same scenario in other countries
with this same kind of JV.
The news about the local and west african pilots who ere dropped was all over the place and not surprising for the likes of myself, expected it.
Some of these guys, one I know well flew the Airbus for years and was an excellent aviator. What about the others who flew the A310s with airways!!!
Some of them I fly with here at Bluetail who preach Airbus everyday.
Maybe not good enough for VirginNigeria fellas eh....
THEY PREFERRED THE VIRGIN ATLANTIC CREW WHOM THEY PAID UNIMAGINABLE £££££ TO DO THE VIRGIN NIGERIA FLIGHTS.
And as my co-prunner SN put very well "The few Nigerians they had will have been accomodated on the 733 I guess."
Well you guessed well mate!
Wont be sad to see the A340s go cos they never belonged here anyway.
zaz
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Where ever Bransons boys want them to be put
for goodness sakes I hope some of my Niger colleagues here are pilots cos its obvious whats been going on with the A340 from time and lately, that the locals are not very welcome handling their A340s and I say that with all authority.I have seen this same scenario in other countries
with this same kind of JV.The news about the local and west african pilots who ere dropped was all over the place and not surprising for the likes of myself, expected it.
Some of these guys, one I know well flew the Airbus for years and was an excellent aviator. What about the others who flew the A310s with airways!!!
Some of them I fly with here at Bluetail who preach Airbus everyday.
Maybe not good enough for VirginNigeria fellas eh....
THEY PREFERRED THE VIRGIN ATLANTIC CREW WHOM THEY PAID UNIMAGINABLE £££££ TO DO THE VIRGIN NIGERIA FLIGHTS.
And as my co-prunner SN put very well "The few Nigerians they had will have been accomodated on the 733 I guess."
Well you guessed well mate!
Wont be sad to see the A340s go cos they never belonged here anyway.
zaz
NIGERIA AIRWAYS
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ZAZOO,
I wonder what authority that is when on almost every A340 flight I've been on, there has been a Nigerian as part of the cockpit crew. In fact my penultimate 340 flight had a Nigerian captain and what a good job he did!!
Maybe the guys who were dropped were deemed not good enough at their interview/sim/whatever. Remember that it costs VK a lot of money to hold the assesments. How do you then explain that some got through? You should also see the number of foreigners who were also dropped.
There are quite a fair number of Nigerian Capts/FOs on the A340 fleet and they will be flying the 340's till they leave the fleet. My guess is that after that, they will be offered places on the 767 or 737.
Some of the crew were VS, but the majority were directly employed by VK and seconded to VS as the aircraft are still leased from and managed by VS on the UK register which is why only JAA guys could go on the 340 fleet. Were the Nigerians/Scandinavians/Germans et al VS crew before? I think not!!
SN,
Don't know what the fate of the 340 pilots will be, but as there will still be longhaul flying to be done, and VK types pilots, I guess they'll get the choice about where they go.
Where ever Bransons boys want them to be put for goodness sakes I hope some of my Niger colleagues here are pilots cos its obvious whats been going on with the A340 from time and lately, that the locals are not very welcome handling their A340s and I say that with all authority.
Maybe the guys who were dropped were deemed not good enough at their interview/sim/whatever. Remember that it costs VK a lot of money to hold the assesments. How do you then explain that some got through? You should also see the number of foreigners who were also dropped.
There are quite a fair number of Nigerian Capts/FOs on the A340 fleet and they will be flying the 340's till they leave the fleet. My guess is that after that, they will be offered places on the 767 or 737.
THEY PREFERRED THE VIRGIN ATLANTIC CREW WHOM THEY PAID UNIMAGINABLE £££££ TO DO THE VIRGIN NIGERIA FLIGHTS.
SN,
Don't know what the fate of the 340 pilots will be, but as there will still be longhaul flying to be done, and VK types pilots, I guess they'll get the choice about where they go.
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Im getting an impression that there might be a discreet discriminatory policy against the local guys at vk and arik.
Ive flown with some good guys here in europe who were ex wt (nigeria airways) pilots on the b747 and a310, as f/os and capts, and i can say they can hold their own under any circumstance.
If these guys represent the typical nigerian pilot in terms of competence proficiency and aptitute, its hard to imagine the need to downgrade capts to f/os especially after having passed a pre-employment captains assesment.
We as expartrates, are already seen as on a far better renumeration package than they are, i therefore feel policies which futher create resentment and alienation should be discouraged.
Zazoo, your point well taken !
Ive flown with some good guys here in europe who were ex wt (nigeria airways) pilots on the b747 and a310, as f/os and capts, and i can say they can hold their own under any circumstance.
If these guys represent the typical nigerian pilot in terms of competence proficiency and aptitute, its hard to imagine the need to downgrade capts to f/os especially after having passed a pre-employment captains assesment.
We as expartrates, are already seen as on a far better renumeration package than they are, i therefore feel policies which futher create resentment and alienation should be discouraged.
Zazoo, your point well taken !
Lets get a little perspective here shall we.
VK is seen as an employer that people wish to work for, hence it has many hundreds (maybe thousands) of responses every time it advertises a job.
VK's fleet is still in its infancy and it doesn't need thousands of pilots, it needs enough to cover the programme and a few in the back pocket for growth.
There will be many very qualified and capable pilots in the applications, probably more than VK needs, so VK ends up turning down (for now) some of these pilots. VK has systems in place to try to ensure that they can be certain all the licences are valid and accurate, that the people they employ are stable of mind and will be able to work within the regs of the company. They then look at those who pass and if they have more people than positions then some folks miss out.
Surely people aren't suggesting that they should employ all the applicants regardless of positions available?
I am sure that the same problem exists for easyjet, Virgin Atlantic, Lufthansa, and possibly even Arik, whenever they advertise.
Long term the airline will grow and more positions will become available.
VK is seen as an employer that people wish to work for, hence it has many hundreds (maybe thousands) of responses every time it advertises a job.
VK's fleet is still in its infancy and it doesn't need thousands of pilots, it needs enough to cover the programme and a few in the back pocket for growth.
There will be many very qualified and capable pilots in the applications, probably more than VK needs, so VK ends up turning down (for now) some of these pilots. VK has systems in place to try to ensure that they can be certain all the licences are valid and accurate, that the people they employ are stable of mind and will be able to work within the regs of the company. They then look at those who pass and if they have more people than positions then some folks miss out.
Surely people aren't suggesting that they should employ all the applicants regardless of positions available?
I am sure that the same problem exists for easyjet, Virgin Atlantic, Lufthansa, and possibly even Arik, whenever they advertise.
Long term the airline will grow and more positions will become available.