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The Huey in Capetown (including Huey down)

Old 25th May 2005, 06:36
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Have another "Jack" Bert, we have seeing how you guzzle the stuff........then we can chat.

How about this, next time you are in Cape Town, pop in and take advantage of the hospitality (like you did last time before you ran away to back stab everyone) the Huey Extreme Club offers.

Im trying to open your eyes man. You said you have been in the Caribbean, then Alaska and now back in Vegas...is that right??
Everything you talk about is old **** from that we have all heard before...you keep and i mean KEEP dragging it up.

Now remember when you visit Cape Town next, have a shave, dry up and visit the Huey AMO...i will personally make myself available to help bring you up-to-date...

O yes, the "Jack" will be on the house.

Nighty night Bert.
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Old 25th May 2005, 06:59
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Sorry Johan, I dont believe we got together more than once.............. I actually bought the Jack for you guys. You obviously didnt appreciate the gesture..

"Everything you talk about is old **** from that we have all heard before...you keep and i mean KEEP dragging it up."

DUH...........Nothing has changed.............Same old scrap airframes...


"i will personally make myself available to help bring you up-to-date..."

I think Tusker just did.........

And as to this.............."We all know that you are the Huey expert who knows everything about everything."
Never claimed by me, Im just a Pilot who flew Hueys for a little over 20 years and a couple thousand hours....

Your beatin a dead horse Mr Grundlingh. Suggest you sell those hulks to the movie industry so they can blow them up for some B rated Movie.

Your turn........
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Old 26th May 2005, 06:51
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No Bert, you have not done your homework but instead you rely on info "spoon fed" to you by Foxtrot Mike.

Please dont insult me, my name is not (if only I could remember the forum rules) or whatever.

You need to have a little more respect of the old war birds that you flew for 20 years. Over 2000 hours on these machines...you know well enough that they were the backbone of the conflict.

Tusker said a few things all of which indicates that he thrives on second/third hand bar talk...

Next time you are in town Bert, come down to the AMO, do an audit..check the documentation, check the AMO out, the qualifications of the engineers... do i need to name everything?

Why dont you guys hammer the SACAA instead? You can get all the answers direct from them.

Ps. Bring some Jack...
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Old 26th May 2005, 08:17
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From Bert :

I actually bought the Jack for you guys. You obviously didnt appreciate the gesture..
Tassies get's appreciated mate .. buy the good stuff next time ...
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Old 26th May 2005, 14:06
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Rebound...

I have known Bert for a good few years, so permit me to give you just a little advise - pick a fight somewhere else mate...!!

If there is one person on this forum qualified to speak on this subject, it's Bert - there are also many others, equally qualified, who have agreed with him and the comments made about your operation - so, carry on with your
Everything you talk about is old **** from that we have all heard before...you keep and i mean KEEP dragging it up.
stories and buy your own Jack....

Bert - the beers are on ice and waiting...!

Cheers

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Old 26th May 2005, 14:48
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Rhodie..

Personally i have nothing against Bert. Have had the pleasure of meeting him and enjoying a drink with him. All i am trying to tell Bert along with the rest of you guys is that there has been a dramatic improvement down at the Huey AMO.

Also, i mentioned that the Huey is now in better condition than ever, is piloted by a comm pilot and has a qualified engineer to look after it.

I have never had the intention of picking fights with anyone, especially people that i hardly know. All i would like to see is some support for the Huey and the people who are invloved.

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Old 26th May 2005, 17:02
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"No Bert, you have not done your homework but instead you rely on info "spoon fed" to you by Foxtrot Mike.
Please dont insult me, my name is not XXX or whatever."

Maybe, maybe not..............you seem to know where it came from so............maybe. Could be Puddin Tame, I dont really care.

"You need to have a little more respect of the old war birds that you flew for 20 years. Over 2000 hours on these machines...you know well enough that they were the backbone of the conflict."

Nostalgia wont cut the mustard. Many Hueys out there have been preserved properly.

"All i am trying to tell Bert along with the rest of you guys is that there has been a dramatic improvement down at the Huey AMO.
Also, i mentioned that the Huey is now in better condition than ever, is piloted by a comm pilot and has a qualified engineer to look after it. "

Since you have mellowed out a bit. All I am saying is that the bottom line is that those specific airframes can NEVER ..Thats in Bold print....NEVER be properly registered without History.
Reverting back to my sarcastic self. A piece of dogsh1t with a nice paint job is still a nicely painted piece of dogsh1t..

"Why dont you guys hammer the SACAA instead?"

Yes, we could do a serious thread on that one also. They appear to be going third world faster than the third world. They certainly have lost a lot of steam in regards to this matter. If that is an example of the direction they are going then, soon they will just be a money collector for someones pocket. As I mentioned in one of these many pages, other countries will be suspect of every document with an SA origin. That will include Aircraft Registration,........and Pilots Licenses......

Guns......Sorry about insulting Tassies with no mention. We have some real good Wino stuff here in the states with names like Mad Dog 20/20, Night train etc......... Most of the folks who drink it sleep real good in the Allys..........ha ha. Someday we are going to have to get you up to Franschoek. Dinner at "The French Connection' with some wine that actually have Corks in the bottle.
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Old 27th May 2005, 16:48
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My alcohol ravaged brain got lost in the last few weeks....what was the outcome of the concerns about the aircraft that recently arrived from the States with such a speckled past? The 204 critter that might have been crashed...that might have some problems with component histories and such?

Did it get certified....has the outfit in Florida put to rest any concerns? Did the local aviation authorities rubber stamp the paperwork and bless the thing as airworthy?

Not trying to pull any scabs off old sores...just curious how all that turned out in the end?
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Old 27th May 2005, 17:41
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Keep it Alive SASless.....Some would certainly like to see it go away........
I believe you will find it is two different ballgames. The originals in the Cape and the SWFA 204. Big difference to the same problem.
Im sure SACAA have cow towed by now, and with a few Rand in the right place, paperwork will flow..........
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Old 28th May 2005, 04:30
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Well Bert, as long as the paperwork is right and the C of A has been issued.....that should put the matter to rest. That is what matters right...having the paperwork all in order.
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Old 28th May 2005, 08:03
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Why certainly...That would make it all right......And it probably will occur based on whats been posted here.
Just remember the paperwork will never be right, but it may be approved by the SACAA. Slight difference. As it stands now, I dont believe its been signed off.......
Again We are talking about the Cape Hulls not the latest SWFA204. Nobody has yet said that one has been done incorrectly, just some questions as to how it got there and how the STC applies in SA..
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Old 29th May 2005, 00:02
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Too many complaints and not enough time to devote to this thread any more ! It is now long and unwieldy and beyond most folks interest. For those that want to use real names or otherwise resort to "name calling" use the private message facility or e-mail. If there is any merit in continuing this topic then feel free to start a new thread.
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Old 21st Aug 2005, 09:46
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The Huey in Capetown (including Huey down)

I have stayed out of the Huey debate that has been going on here as I didnt really know much about it, However that changed last week when I spent a few days in Capetown doing a photo shoot for a friend.

Out of curiosity I decided to wander in to the Huey office there, not saying who I was or my involvement in the industry, and see what they had to say. Well after getting a brochure from the lady sitting behind the desk, a young guy came in from out the back. Dont know his name but was mid 20s and wearing one of their team baseball caps.

I asked him about the operation, like any good customer should. The words out of his mouth absolutely blew me away. I was basically told that they were operating the Hueys thanks to a loophole in the CAA regs, whereby they couldnt charge people for a ride in the Huey, but I could become a member of the "Club" and the ride was for nothing. I said to him that I presumed the cost of joining the club for the day was the same as what it would cost if I had to pay for a ride next door at Sport of any other local operator, and I was given a big grin with a yes.

They are also running an Alouette II, also an ex mil machine, the same way as the Huey. It just blows me away that they can get away with this. Makes a mockery of the efforts of the professional operators down there who are trying to do things the proper way. On that note I have to say I enjoyed flying with Gary from NAC Makana. The EC120 we were using as a camera ship developed a slight problem so we ended up using one of NAC's 206Bs. Nice smooth machine and Gary and Kim were great to work with.

While there we also took Gunship and Mrs Gunship out to dinner at Baia Restaurant. Great people and had an awesome time there.

Regards

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Old 21st Aug 2005, 10:59
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Ned,

To set the record straight, your hollier than thou NAC are also operating ZU registered A/c on the same principle i.e all their ZU registered PUMA's that are operating in the Sudan and Indonesia.

Also, you have Thunder City, Microlight Clubs, Sky Diving Clubs, Harvard Clubs etc....the list goes on and on all of which operate on a Part 94 (which is the use of ex Military A/c in civilian operations)

ZU or ZS reg A/c all can develope problems as you yourself admitted (the slight problem with the EC 120 )


Lastly, i have nothing against Gary and Kim from NAC, they are good people.
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Old 21st Aug 2005, 11:12
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LH - Sorry mate can only make comments about what I saw. Didnt know that NAC have those Pumas operating outside of SA. Was only basing my observations on what I saw there on the Waterfront. Thats all.

And never said NAC was hollier than thou, just said they came across as a very professional operation. Nice facilities, machines were clean, well looked after, smooth, pilots had professional attitude and were able to put me in all the positions I needed to get in for my photos, even if we did climb up to 2000ft to shoot the EC130 in front of the mountain, and it was blooooody cold in that doorway with no door.

My concern with the Huey is that if I am not mistaken not all of the history of the aircraft can be traced, and that goes to the parts as well. If you are going to fly paying tourists in a helo, then at least be 100% sure on what you are flying them in, just my two cents worth. And what seriously concerns me is that the guy who works there blatantly explained to me how they beat the CAA, thats not a wise thing to do. If you have a loophole, then for christ sake keep your mouth shut, not draw attention to it, as I could have been someone new from the CAA for all he knew.

And for the record have never met the guy or guys who own the Huey, nor do I know any of the owners of Sport Helicopters or NAC Makana, apart from Gary and Kim whom I met on the day, oh and that sexy blonde that works in the office

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Old 21st Aug 2005, 13:51
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Following the shift.............

Ned
Many threads on this topic in the African Aviation Forum. One in partcular is now archived and available because the Cape Kids couldnt handle the truth.
I also think this should be taken to that forum to keep the Sleeping Giant alive........although it does give others who are not aware of the BS going on in South Africa a chance to get their eyes wide open...
Nothing changes in Africa except money from one hand to another............
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Old 21st Aug 2005, 14:47
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anyone went to Carte Blanche with this allready and if so what did they say?
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Old 22nd Aug 2005, 07:07
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As Sousa said, this topic was placed here over and over again. The situation in the waterfront is an accident waiting to happen. Oh, and by the way, they didnt tell you that the Huey is sometimes flown by a PPL pilot. ..??

The guy with the cap...name is Shaun- their ops manager.

As nice as the other setups may look, they are all just fighting for the same scraps at the waterfront.

Its a childish attituse that they have their but I agree, NAC has the "cleanest " record there.

Just wondering when the next big accident is going to happen.....I hope it never will

Fly Safe
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Old 22nd Aug 2005, 12:20
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Like most professions as soon as something different comes along our instinctive checklist says REGULATE, STOP, NO... or something similar.

It is absolutely wonderful that organisations are allowed to fly ex-military aircraft. This is an adventure market and not the public transportation/sightseeing market. People are not going to fly an EC120 if they want the Vietnam experience, they are not going to fly a Caravan if they want a blast in a Lightning nor are they going up in a C210 when all they want to do is dangle under a hang glider.

They are NOT competing with us. So why always complain about them? They put fun and adventure back into aviation - let them be and long may they last.
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Old 22nd Aug 2005, 18:55
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"They put fun and adventure back into aviation - let them be and long may they last."

118.9 probably should be 121.5
Everyone agree that they want to see Ex-Military Aircraft flying, the numerous threads are just saying if your going to do it. Do it by the rules............

And if you think that group is not sucking tour money from other companies, you probably have some feathered relatives in Oudtshoorn checking out gopher holes.
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