EU Bans 90 Airlines...mostly from Africa
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EU Bans 90 Airlines...mostly from Africa
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4832648.stm
EU issues 'unsafe' airlines ban
The European Union has issued a blacklist banning 92 airlines from operating in the region.
Most of the companies, which the EU says fail to meet international standards, are based in Africa.
The list is available online and will be updated at least every three months. Passengers will have to be informed if they are to fly on a named carrier.
The move was proposed last year after a summer in which more than 500 people died in plane crashes worldwide.
The list of 92 firms which face a complete ban and three facing operational restrictions was compiled from recommendations from the 25 members of the EU.
It includes 50 carriers from the Democratic Republic of Congo, 14 from Sierra Leone and seven airlines from Swaziland.
Standards
From now, companies banned in one member state will be banned in the whole EU. Airlines can apply to be taken off the list.
"The European Union now has a coherent approach to banning airlines," said Jacques Barrot, Vice-President of the Commission for transport.
"This blacklist will keep dubious airlines out of Europe. It will also make sure that all airlines operating in Europe's sky meet the highest safety standards."
Mr Barrot said that although many of the carriers on the list did not currently fly to Europe, the list would "pre-empt" problems in the future.
He said it was difficult to say how many of the airlines had flown in Europe or used European airports.
The EU says bans and operating restrictions are based on evidence of airlines violating certain criteria, such as the use of poorly-maintained, antiquated or obsolete aircraft.
It says the blacklist will have encourage airlines operating in Europe to comply fully with safety standards and will dissuade unscrupulous airlines from starting up services in Europe.
EU issues 'unsafe' airlines ban
The European Union has issued a blacklist banning 92 airlines from operating in the region.
Most of the companies, which the EU says fail to meet international standards, are based in Africa.
The list is available online and will be updated at least every three months. Passengers will have to be informed if they are to fly on a named carrier.
The move was proposed last year after a summer in which more than 500 people died in plane crashes worldwide.
The list of 92 firms which face a complete ban and three facing operational restrictions was compiled from recommendations from the 25 members of the EU.
It includes 50 carriers from the Democratic Republic of Congo, 14 from Sierra Leone and seven airlines from Swaziland.
Standards
From now, companies banned in one member state will be banned in the whole EU. Airlines can apply to be taken off the list.
"The European Union now has a coherent approach to banning airlines," said Jacques Barrot, Vice-President of the Commission for transport.
"This blacklist will keep dubious airlines out of Europe. It will also make sure that all airlines operating in Europe's sky meet the highest safety standards."
Mr Barrot said that although many of the carriers on the list did not currently fly to Europe, the list would "pre-empt" problems in the future.
He said it was difficult to say how many of the airlines had flown in Europe or used European airports.
The EU says bans and operating restrictions are based on evidence of airlines violating certain criteria, such as the use of poorly-maintained, antiquated or obsolete aircraft.
It says the blacklist will have encourage airlines operating in Europe to comply fully with safety standards and will dissuade unscrupulous airlines from starting up services in Europe.
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could the countries involved impose same restrictions on EU carriers?
Instead of being springloaded to the "oppressed" position, maybe you should take a hard look at this list. Fifty airlines from DRC alone flying to Europe and busting regs. WTF? Does every Congolese over the age of 15 run his own airline?
Have you ever heard of flying a "flag of convenience"? Like the convenience of having oversight authorities who check nothing except the contents of the brown envelope?
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The banned EU list again smacks of hypocrisy. If all the aircraft on the Swaziland registry are banned, how come African International is not mentioned for their Swazi registered DC-8's and why is a certain IL-76 model T VINTAGE!!! from Zimbabwe also not on the list.
Perhaps because the owners and companies are British ? and even though they carry dubious tailnumbers they cant be all that bad. What is good for one is good for all and the rule should be applied equally accross the board. Selective morality is not good its hypocrisy has gotten the world into the State it is in today. I certainly hope that some retaliate and ban some European airlines soon. Heard that the Rwandan government attempted a tit for tat reprisal on SN Brussels a week or two ago in retaliation for a Rwandan DC-8 grounded in Brussels.
If we collectively applied our endevours I am sure we can point out dubious aircraft and operators that should really not fly on this forum and name and shame them. How about a bunch of funny looking home-converted and expired L1011's standing at Ras Al-Khimah Airport which's only possibilities is flying cheap cargo into Africa. Anybody seen them lately - what reg's are they carrying these days. Perhaps the EU should also focus on them. Photo's welcome.
Perhaps because the owners and companies are British ? and even though they carry dubious tailnumbers they cant be all that bad. What is good for one is good for all and the rule should be applied equally accross the board. Selective morality is not good its hypocrisy has gotten the world into the State it is in today. I certainly hope that some retaliate and ban some European airlines soon. Heard that the Rwandan government attempted a tit for tat reprisal on SN Brussels a week or two ago in retaliation for a Rwandan DC-8 grounded in Brussels.
If we collectively applied our endevours I am sure we can point out dubious aircraft and operators that should really not fly on this forum and name and shame them. How about a bunch of funny looking home-converted and expired L1011's standing at Ras Al-Khimah Airport which's only possibilities is flying cheap cargo into Africa. Anybody seen them lately - what reg's are they carrying these days. Perhaps the EU should also focus on them. Photo's welcome.
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Buitenzorg- WELL SAID!
AAL- if you look on the list again you will see that infact African International Airways is listed. How they still go about it, I do not know.
Afriviation- Bold move? Is it? Or is it just sticking to a standard that should not be taken granted of? U tell me! And do you think a Congolese restriction on a European or other Western operator would affect them at all? I would like to know what grounds you think such a restriction would be based on? Or is it once again on the good old eye for an eye theory.
In my books it is not about restricting some operators rights to fly into a country for no reason, but merely a valid effort to try and keep statistics down. If an operator cannot play by the rules and standards then they should not be allowed to play...
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AAL- if you look on the list again you will see that infact African International Airways is listed. How they still go about it, I do not know.
Afriviation- Bold move? Is it? Or is it just sticking to a standard that should not be taken granted of? U tell me! And do you think a Congolese restriction on a European or other Western operator would affect them at all? I would like to know what grounds you think such a restriction would be based on? Or is it once again on the good old eye for an eye theory.
In my books it is not about restricting some operators rights to fly into a country for no reason, but merely a valid effort to try and keep statistics down. If an operator cannot play by the rules and standards then they should not be allowed to play...
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Would it not be better to take care of the safety oversight and regulation of air carriers in an effort to improve the standard rather than play the tit for tat game like a sulky child?
...Or would that be too difficult because it involves actually doing the jobs for which they are paid?
As has been said by KESHO, AIA are on the list and it's not just Africa that's targeted although they do appear to be in the majority among the defaulters.
...Or would that be too difficult because it involves actually doing the jobs for which they are paid?
As has been said by KESHO, AIA are on the list and it's not just Africa that's targeted although they do appear to be in the majority among the defaulters.
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WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS africa is crooked. the licensing is crooked, and the companies are crooked. Good move. Now lets start naming the crooked officials and blacklisting DCAs until the National authorities act. Now before any yarpies get the hump read the first four words again.
Until the Blue Bic form of licensing is eradicated (SRT YOU KNOW WHERE I AM COMING IF YOU HAVE ARE WHER U SAY U ARE).
Until the Blue Bic form of licensing is eradicated (SRT YOU KNOW WHERE I AM COMING IF YOU HAVE ARE WHER U SAY U ARE).
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Bushbolox wrote:
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Now lets start naming the crooked officials and blacklisting DCAs until the National authorities act.
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This move is underway with ICAO:
22 MAR 2006 ICAO will release country safety assessments in two years
The ICAO has overcome opposition from most African and South American countries to win approval of a plan to open the organization's safety assessment records to the public. ICAO`s top official Kotaite offered up to two years to get national aviation safety records in order and allow the organization`s safety assessment to be made public. (International Herald Tribune)
and there is already an unofficial list circulating of the countries not up to standards (source is the French parliament):
Albanie, Belize, Biélorussie, Birmanie, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Cambodge, Cameroun, Chypre, Croatie, Ghana, Guyana, Kenya, Laos, Hongrie, Macédoine, Mali, Mongolie, Mozambique, Niger, Ouganda, Palaos, Papouasie-Nouvelle-Guinée, Portugal, Russie, Samoa, Sénégal, Togo, Tonga
Note that countries that have not been audited yet by ICAO are not listed (eg. Congo RDC, Liberia). But surprise surprise, we find EU countries and Russia!
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Now lets start naming the crooked officials and blacklisting DCAs until the National authorities act.
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This move is underway with ICAO:
22 MAR 2006 ICAO will release country safety assessments in two years
The ICAO has overcome opposition from most African and South American countries to win approval of a plan to open the organization's safety assessment records to the public. ICAO`s top official Kotaite offered up to two years to get national aviation safety records in order and allow the organization`s safety assessment to be made public. (International Herald Tribune)
and there is already an unofficial list circulating of the countries not up to standards (source is the French parliament):
Albanie, Belize, Biélorussie, Birmanie, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Cambodge, Cameroun, Chypre, Croatie, Ghana, Guyana, Kenya, Laos, Hongrie, Macédoine, Mali, Mongolie, Mozambique, Niger, Ouganda, Palaos, Papouasie-Nouvelle-Guinée, Portugal, Russie, Samoa, Sénégal, Togo, Tonga
Note that countries that have not been audited yet by ICAO are not listed (eg. Congo RDC, Liberia). But surprise surprise, we find EU countries and Russia!
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Nigeria
Am I dreaming or is Nigeria really missing from the list?
This will surely come as a relief to NCAA and many Naija operators.
I've read somewhere that International Air Tours (based in Kano) was banned but I couldn't find it in the above list.
This will surely come as a relief to NCAA and many Naija operators.
I've read somewhere that International Air Tours (based in Kano) was banned but I couldn't find it in the above list.
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Originally Posted by Round Engine
Does this mean I get to fly pax into Europe with my properly maintained, certified, ELT, TCAS, radar equipped DC-3? Safe as a house my mate...
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Parked aircraft now new low cost airlines ?
I just wonder how many ZS registered aircraft would pass EU examination. Just think of all the junk and scrap metal value DC 9, MD’s 727’s and 737 still flying in SA.
All of these are cheaper than an early model C 208.
Do South African low-cost airlines fly low cost aircraft? (Ex parked aircraft)
We all know the story ……. don’t we?
All of these are cheaper than an early model C 208.
Do South African low-cost airlines fly low cost aircraft? (Ex parked aircraft)
We all know the story ……. don’t we?
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Just think of all the junk and scrap metal value DC 9, MD’s 727’s and 737 still flying in SA.
We all know the story ……. don’t we?
We all know the story ……. don’t we?
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Originally Posted by KESHO
Or is it once again on the good old eye for an eye theory.KESHO
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Hewa Bora others and GOMA
Originally Posted by Stratocaster
Talking of DRC, I noticed that all Congolese operators are banned... EXCEPT... the only one operating to Europe: Hewa Bora (with restrictions though).
The DC 9 is close behind not even to mention the old A32 of V Bout and very shabby AN 12’s
Well if Boeing see those take-off’s they shall put the 727 immediately in services again and call it a first class STOL aircraft!!!
Wonder if there is a new Performance Manual for the 727 and DC 9.
I know that the Russian are still busy updating the 32 manual. Every flight is a new adventure into the unknown. Just wonder when those time-ex engines are going to say enough is enough.
Watch Goma for a disaster. I heard a roomer that Murphy is eyeing that airport.
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Cheep airliners?
Originally Posted by Solid Rust Twotter
And your justification for that statement would be.....?
From VS 1500 ,Boeing Rules, Airforce 1
Kulula MD 82 before me reported an emergency after take off and a 1 Time also reported an emergency yesterday about 30 min after the Kulula at J'oburg. Any news on what happened?
Heard 1Time had a lost Comms problem....?
Well i don't know about the 1t A/C but apparantly all airtraffic were kept on hold and also all ground traffic, according to reports from staff on the ramp the MD82 came in with one engin and one engin on fire.
does any body know the whole story.
save flying.
Will this help you?
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Hewa Bora
Dec last yr...Lubumbashi to Jhb
Extra pax...no problem. Pull a 6 yr old kid out of his seat and shove him in between 2 other 7 yr olds further up the the cabin on two seats and place grown man on vacant seat. Mother of kid and other passengers objecting strongly. Cabin attendant doing his job by resolving over booking and boarding and being cost effective.
Jan this yr....Jhb to Lubumbashi
Check-in closes early....1hr20min before departure. Standby pax being let on and ticketed passengers being told NO more room. Finally get on and get seat aft starboard window. Last row........
Observe......overhead lockers FULL on cabin attendants personal goodies like kids nappies (lots and lots)....long life milk (lots and lots).....
Observe.....passenger baggage stacked between seat and EMERGENCY door two rows up on starboard side.....
Observe.....cooler boxes packed in aisle aside seats and rear galley blocking rear exit.....
Observe on take off RW 03......thru window Safair....Fedair....Execaerospace....Gal....Anglo....last new hangar....and then the eyes of a motorist on the highway as we screamed overhead barely airborne.
Can expect this kind of behaviour in the DRC as am old hat to that ....but here?!! Certainly time the CAA started doing some spot checks.....
Extra pax...no problem. Pull a 6 yr old kid out of his seat and shove him in between 2 other 7 yr olds further up the the cabin on two seats and place grown man on vacant seat. Mother of kid and other passengers objecting strongly. Cabin attendant doing his job by resolving over booking and boarding and being cost effective.
Jan this yr....Jhb to Lubumbashi
Check-in closes early....1hr20min before departure. Standby pax being let on and ticketed passengers being told NO more room. Finally get on and get seat aft starboard window. Last row........
Observe......overhead lockers FULL on cabin attendants personal goodies like kids nappies (lots and lots)....long life milk (lots and lots).....
Observe.....passenger baggage stacked between seat and EMERGENCY door two rows up on starboard side.....
Observe.....cooler boxes packed in aisle aside seats and rear galley blocking rear exit.....
Observe on take off RW 03......thru window Safair....Fedair....Execaerospace....Gal....Anglo....last new hangar....and then the eyes of a motorist on the highway as we screamed overhead barely airborne.
Can expect this kind of behaviour in the DRC as am old hat to that ....but here?!! Certainly time the CAA started doing some spot checks.....
