Transformation in SA Aviation - going nowhere slowly (like this thread)
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Maybe you can enlighten us all and give us some figures of "representation" in the aviation industry. How many "non pales" are out there doing their PPL's compared to pale faces? I do NOT see "non pales" in the industry, so how do you suggest we get the "demographics" right. Must we import them from the rest of Arfica?
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I find it disturbing that you are the only "non pale" responding to this thread. Where are all the other "non pales" who are supposd to "level the playing field"? Why are they not responding to this thread?
A lot of questions have been asked, and many respondants made quite valid points. Would you mind responding to those?
A lot of questions have been asked, and many respondants made quite valid points. Would you mind responding to those?
Está servira para distraerle.
Perhaps the government is a little concerned at the reaction of the Star Alliance to their heretofore politically motivated pilot recruitment campaign for SAA? Perhaps this will be known in the annals of history as the geat white amnesty?
In any event, I would go for it like smoke. Good luck!
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sorry to those who are waiting,
have it on good authority that SAA were about to employ regardless of colour but the big boss canned the whole thing.
has more to do with the company being in the poo rather than a political/colour thing.
have it on good authority that SAA were about to employ regardless of colour but the big boss canned the whole thing.
has more to do with the company being in the poo rather than a political/colour thing.
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Transformation is slow in SA Aviation, Who is doing anything about it? No one. The parastatals maybe, some of them. The people in general aviation who are mostly white, wish there wasn't any transformation. I am not going to repeat the principles behind my argument, which have been repeated over and over again in this thread.
The industry needs to come up with solutions to redress the situation, not me not any of you ppruners. All other industries are doing it. look at the accounting, engineering and those fields. Folks it's just a matter of time that the government picks up on this and something is forced down on the industry.
This is not my squable, I've made an observation and yes it's true. Clearly the topic has generated a lot of interest judging by the number of responses, unfortuntely most hitting at me and not addressing the problem.
Day in Day out people in this forum complain of BEE etc. I say the complaining is not warranted judging by the severe lack of representitivity in this industry.
Now let me repeat this, Afriviation is not creating a problem, the problem exists because of this country's history.
Here is the conservative stats
Out of more than 3000 commercial pilots in SA, less than 150 are black, that's less than 5%. In a country with more than 85% black people. disgraceful indeed
Lastly if I'm talking so much kak, why are you even bothering to honour me with your responses and lowering yourselves to my level?
The industry needs to come up with solutions to redress the situation, not me not any of you ppruners. All other industries are doing it. look at the accounting, engineering and those fields. Folks it's just a matter of time that the government picks up on this and something is forced down on the industry.
This is not my squable, I've made an observation and yes it's true. Clearly the topic has generated a lot of interest judging by the number of responses, unfortuntely most hitting at me and not addressing the problem.
Day in Day out people in this forum complain of BEE etc. I say the complaining is not warranted judging by the severe lack of representitivity in this industry.
Now let me repeat this, Afriviation is not creating a problem, the problem exists because of this country's history.
Here is the conservative stats
Out of more than 3000 commercial pilots in SA, less than 150 are black, that's less than 5%. In a country with more than 85% black people. disgraceful indeed
Lastly if I'm talking so much kak, why are you even bothering to honour me with your responses and lowering yourselves to my level?
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Yes, you are right, those stats are appalling.
So why don't those affected the most get off their lazy arses and do something positive and constructive to remedy the situation, and I don't mean misappropriating taxpayers' money for more freebies and handouts???
Come, prove us "racist whites" wrong. Prove that you can do something on your own.
I fear for your sake, that you will fail dismally.
So why don't those affected the most get off their lazy arses and do something positive and constructive to remedy the situation, and I don't mean misappropriating taxpayers' money for more freebies and handouts???
Come, prove us "racist whites" wrong. Prove that you can do something on your own.
I fear for your sake, that you will fail dismally.
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How Stupid is Afrivation?
Do you really believe the drivel that comes out of your mouth. As one African to another brother. You are an idiot! Have you ever been outside of South Africa, to the rest of Africa.
You beat the drum of transformation but really you are trying to cover you up the fact that you are a racist! You are the kind of guy who does not believe he can be racist because he is black. You belive that you have earned your place in SAA. sad
Madiba's dream of a rainbow nation was to include everyone. Not just the privilaged few. Alot of us know about your connection that got you into SAA. So please dont act like the cadet scheme is really benefiting the under privilages because it is not. I am not complainin I got into SAA same way you did. I dont believe we deserve it. We are here by hugh good fortune.
I have travelled africa and there is truth in the fact that Africa is ungovernable and not because the people are incompetent. But because there is always some greedy idiot running the show! Africa biggest problem is there under utilisation of its resource and potential. Forced change is not the way, to rectify it!
Having our White brothers and sisters (that you are so desperately trying to get ride of) in SA is more beneficial to the contry than not having them. SA is seriously devoid of EXPERIENCE. I was educated by the European benefactors of the struggle but without experience I really cannot offer what someone with 20 years experience can.
Maybe you should be a little open to the idea that boertjie, who has been sitting in the left set can actually teach you something!
I should be fast tracked to command soon and pray that I dont have to do a night stop with someone as obtuse and narrow minded as you.
Here is a though...Rainbow Nation. A Rainbow does not have black or white in it!
Fly safe!
You beat the drum of transformation but really you are trying to cover you up the fact that you are a racist! You are the kind of guy who does not believe he can be racist because he is black. You belive that you have earned your place in SAA. sad
Madiba's dream of a rainbow nation was to include everyone. Not just the privilaged few. Alot of us know about your connection that got you into SAA. So please dont act like the cadet scheme is really benefiting the under privilages because it is not. I am not complainin I got into SAA same way you did. I dont believe we deserve it. We are here by hugh good fortune.
I have travelled africa and there is truth in the fact that Africa is ungovernable and not because the people are incompetent. But because there is always some greedy idiot running the show! Africa biggest problem is there under utilisation of its resource and potential. Forced change is not the way, to rectify it!
Having our White brothers and sisters (that you are so desperately trying to get ride of) in SA is more beneficial to the contry than not having them. SA is seriously devoid of EXPERIENCE. I was educated by the European benefactors of the struggle but without experience I really cannot offer what someone with 20 years experience can.
Maybe you should be a little open to the idea that boertjie, who has been sitting in the left set can actually teach you something!
I should be fast tracked to command soon and pray that I dont have to do a night stop with someone as obtuse and narrow minded as you.
Here is a though...Rainbow Nation. A Rainbow does not have black or white in it!
Fly safe!
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A round of applause to you man!
Just what the white man wants!!!
I suggest you keep comments about your fellow blackmen to yourself or do it face to face if you have the guts!
You have succeded in making an outright prick of yourself and your so-called meaning to be on the fence about issues that will eventually affect you.
I have flown airplanes on every continent and frankly, there's only one way to fly, THE RIGHT WAY!!!!!
Your comments are baseless and i see a lack of confidence in your ablility to be captain. Being a commander has a lot more to it than meeting flight time pre-requisites you know? Your IQ has to fit the bill, which i think at this point yours totals approximately -5 to be generous.
Good luck to those that fly with you, you are a danger even to yourself!!!
Just what the white man wants!!!
I suggest you keep comments about your fellow blackmen to yourself or do it face to face if you have the guts!
You have succeded in making an outright prick of yourself and your so-called meaning to be on the fence about issues that will eventually affect you.
I have flown airplanes on every continent and frankly, there's only one way to fly, THE RIGHT WAY!!!!!
Your comments are baseless and i see a lack of confidence in your ablility to be captain. Being a commander has a lot more to it than meeting flight time pre-requisites you know? Your IQ has to fit the bill, which i think at this point yours totals approximately -5 to be generous.
Good luck to those that fly with you, you are a danger even to yourself!!!
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LJThomas,
Unlike the African leaders who cover up for their thieving and morally and politically corrupt co-leaders, we should appreciate all views regardless, even if a "black man" disagrees with another "fellow black man" or white on white for that matter.
Or are you and your bretheren more used to dictatorships where you go with the flow or suffer the consequences.
During the Apartheid era, there where those whites who were prepared to vote yes and make a change against something they didn't agree with even though they were making a statement against their fellow whites. Why then should AN12 keep quiet?????
PS: You are not welcome in our rainbow nation . . . . P r O t E a S
Unlike the African leaders who cover up for their thieving and morally and politically corrupt co-leaders, we should appreciate all views regardless, even if a "black man" disagrees with another "fellow black man" or white on white for that matter.
Or are you and your bretheren more used to dictatorships where you go with the flow or suffer the consequences.
During the Apartheid era, there where those whites who were prepared to vote yes and make a change against something they didn't agree with even though they were making a statement against their fellow whites. Why then should AN12 keep quiet?????
PS: You are not welcome in our rainbow nation . . . . P r O t E a S
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Your "RAINBOW NATION" does not impress me nor is it anything i would want to be a part of, after seeing what you guys are capable of.
Like i said before, you'll need all the luck you can get with this attitude!!!....
Like i said before, you'll need all the luck you can get with this attitude!!!....
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AN12 - as a gentleman and aviator i salute you!
This is not a question of black or white. As pilots responsible for the lives of passengers, this is a question of experience and inexperience. Colour would make the equation look good, but experience takes time. Mess with that and the conclusion is foregone.
Flying is inherently dangerous. We like to gloss that over with clever rhetoric and comforting statistics, but the facts remain: gravity is constant and powerful, and speed kills. In combination, they are particularly destructive.
This is not a question of black or white. As pilots responsible for the lives of passengers, this is a question of experience and inexperience. Colour would make the equation look good, but experience takes time. Mess with that and the conclusion is foregone.
Flying is inherently dangerous. We like to gloss that over with clever rhetoric and comforting statistics, but the facts remain: gravity is constant and powerful, and speed kills. In combination, they are particularly destructive.
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Originally Posted by oba_idan_amani
Good one LongJohnThomas, I think we can all safely deduce that An12 and nugpot are the same person. You guys amaze me. Jeez.
I guess with your attitude you fly as safely as you deduce.
As for LongJohnThomas. Quite ironic that you tell Africans with European forefathers to get out of Africa, while you give your location as the United Kingdom. Glimpses of pot and kettle here.
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For once i think you guys should give it a rest.
LJT and the rest of you, we are supposed to be helping one another and seeking ways to better our little lives and not trying franctically to kill the other.
Grow up guys!
LJT and the rest of you, we are supposed to be helping one another and seeking ways to better our little lives and not trying franctically to kill the other.
Grow up guys!