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Know what you mean. Not too different trying to get spares into eastern DRC, but could you not apply for a Rectification Interval Extention (RIE) due to those very circumstances which should double the rectification interval. Or trying to get some items down as Non Required Items.
It's easy to sit in the real world and say 'snag all defects', but the reality of having to fly the length of Europe to get a spare part must be considered too. Unfortunately you can't go on record for saying 'don't snag it'.
Unfortunatly with some outfits chances are if you do snag it, the pilot will be replaced before the part is. Fortunatly not with who I worked with.
Know what you mean. Not too different trying to get spares into eastern DRC, but could you not apply for a Rectification Interval Extention (RIE) due to those very circumstances which should double the rectification interval. Or trying to get some items down as Non Required Items.
It's easy to sit in the real world and say 'snag all defects', but the reality of having to fly the length of Europe to get a spare part must be considered too. Unfortunately you can't go on record for saying 'don't snag it'.
Unfortunatly with some outfits chances are if you do snag it, the pilot will be replaced before the part is. Fortunatly not with who I worked with.
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woofe..i know exactly what you are saying, spent 3 years in the desert...but never the less, in the middle of summer one could encouter icing in the north, algiers or constantine.
if what you are saying was the case, why did beechcraft not say in their mel, not applicable if in temperatures exceedind 45 degrees?
you know, we accept the manufacturer to know more than ourselves when it comes to limitations, checklists, normal, abnormal, and emergency, we accpet their mass and balance, and yet you still claim to know better than their people who wrote the mel/mmel?
i just dont understand the logic?
the whole point is, if you cannot afford to run the operation legally then you should not do it.
your example is fine, it is middle of summer and prop blade de-icing is u/s, you agree to accept the plane as is and it is not written in the flight folio, that is all well and good, but unfortunately, the sa operators then see you do this and it is not chased up or conisdered important enough to put on a priority, instead the snag is just left to be forgotten and next thing you know, the seasons have changed and it is autumn and winter and still not fixed and i am due to fly the plane and i read back in the highly illegal unofficial snag book and see this snagged and not written up as fixed...so i say, no, i am not flying this because we might encounter icing conditions....to which the reply is...but everyone else was flying it before, who are you to now say you wont fly it?
why not just implement a better maintenance set up, an effecient method of ordering and tracking spares, and engineers capable of being able to do the necessary in field maintenance, then everything is correct, proper and legal.
but that would be doing it properly and therefore not in the business plan of an sa operator!
if what you are saying was the case, why did beechcraft not say in their mel, not applicable if in temperatures exceedind 45 degrees?
you know, we accept the manufacturer to know more than ourselves when it comes to limitations, checklists, normal, abnormal, and emergency, we accpet their mass and balance, and yet you still claim to know better than their people who wrote the mel/mmel?
i just dont understand the logic?
the whole point is, if you cannot afford to run the operation legally then you should not do it.
your example is fine, it is middle of summer and prop blade de-icing is u/s, you agree to accept the plane as is and it is not written in the flight folio, that is all well and good, but unfortunately, the sa operators then see you do this and it is not chased up or conisdered important enough to put on a priority, instead the snag is just left to be forgotten and next thing you know, the seasons have changed and it is autumn and winter and still not fixed and i am due to fly the plane and i read back in the highly illegal unofficial snag book and see this snagged and not written up as fixed...so i say, no, i am not flying this because we might encounter icing conditions....to which the reply is...but everyone else was flying it before, who are you to now say you wont fly it?
why not just implement a better maintenance set up, an effecient method of ordering and tracking spares, and engineers capable of being able to do the necessary in field maintenance, then everything is correct, proper and legal.
but that would be doing it properly and therefore not in the business plan of an sa operator!
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"why not just implement a better maintenance set up, an effecient method of ordering and tracking spares, and engineers capable of being able to do the necessary in field maintenance, then everything is correct, proper and legal."
Very simple answer.
Unfortunately in all over the world there are many opeartors that dont run operations for the "Love" of aviation, it means that some of them they prefer their profits immediately and then run ,rather then in 5 years and also have the appretation of all the aviation comunity.
The point is that many operarts "open"and "bancarupcy"their business any time they want not caring at all what there is behind.Closed one after a while they open another one and some times even with governement help.It is the story of the"Touch and Go".
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Riccardo Volante
Very simple answer.
Unfortunately in all over the world there are many opeartors that dont run operations for the "Love" of aviation, it means that some of them they prefer their profits immediately and then run ,rather then in 5 years and also have the appretation of all the aviation comunity.
The point is that many operarts "open"and "bancarupcy"their business any time they want not caring at all what there is behind.Closed one after a while they open another one and some times even with governement help.It is the story of the"Touch and Go".
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
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If it weren't for the crews going out on a limb, the operators would actually have to spend money and get things done properly. On top of that, there is second guessing from HQ who decide spares ordered aren't necessary or too expensive and just don't send them until things go pear shaped and the aircraft is AOG. The unfortunate reality is that there are many young guys who would be only too happy to have that job and the operators know it, thus the abuse of the system that goes on.
My original point stands - Be selective about who you work for.....
My original point stands - Be selective about who you work for.....
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not sure what you are on about riccardo...but no one runs a business for the love of it..not sure where you got that impression from...all i said is why not try to just do things propery, nothing more, nothing less...just consistant.
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south coast,
I do agree with you when you say that is right to try do things properly ,I only give an answer why that is not happen in several cases around the world.Any one that does business without"Passion" wil do for 'Fast"profit .Usually that is why thing are not done properly.Someone took an exmple of Anti ice not working in the desert , it is illegal I do agree ,but try to think about the same situation on a night flight in North of USA during the Winter time , well not only is illegal also is dangerous an especially when flying an MU2.
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Riccardo Volante
I do agree with you when you say that is right to try do things properly ,I only give an answer why that is not happen in several cases around the world.Any one that does business without"Passion" wil do for 'Fast"profit .Usually that is why thing are not done properly.Someone took an exmple of Anti ice not working in the desert , it is illegal I do agree ,but try to think about the same situation on a night flight in North of USA during the Winter time , well not only is illegal also is dangerous an especially when flying an MU2.
Sincerly
Riccardo Volante
