Cash strapped 1-Time ????
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T.H.H......thnx mate....I was basically trying to say the same but as you all know ....Yogi Bear is not your average bear....
And to the rest of you guys.....SORRY dont work for CE or ANY other airline for that matter.....just know a lot of folks who know a lot of folks who know a lot of folks......
And to the rest of you guys.....SORRY dont work for CE or ANY other airline for that matter.....just know a lot of folks who know a lot of folks who know a lot of folks......
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Sounds like a load of old dingo kidneys to me. No crew are leaving 1Time, hence the lack of vacancies/interviews. They employ when new aircraft are added to the fleet. This can only mean the guys are happy where they are and have faith in the company.
Personally, I believe guys are boxing in the car park to get into 1Time, myself among them....
Personally, I believe guys are boxing in the car park to get into 1Time, myself among them....
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Broer.It seems that some oke's have their tits in a tangle over one airline,but in the very next subject,(Nationwide strike),are very quick to keep quiet.
Barry T,all Yogi did was voice what he had heard.
I for one am greatful as I pax frequently on 1 Time and yes,I also buy my tickets in advance.
So if there is **** on the horizon,I for one woul like to know.
The same dangers can be said about the subject,"Nationwide strike".
Just now some one says,Oooooh,strike,lets rather buy from Civair,as their pilots are not going on strike.
People are very quick to slander SAA,but no up-roar is heard.
What about the Huey saga.(and Bert please dont come back with one better).
As far as SAFAIR buying into 1 time....check the finacial paper!!!!.
Go for it Yogi. (By the way,Yogi happens to be the training captain on an A/C you would all like to pole).
Goffel still sitting by the sea smokkling kreef.
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chill out and take the crit on the chin
Hey, 1timers! relax and bat the rumours from where they come. It is a rumour network and my carrier gets shredded to pieces very often..............they actually deserve it but none the less, it is a rumour network and us aviation types are good at 2 things-flying aircraft and spreading rumours.
Have a pleasant weekend
Have a pleasant weekend
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Ha......I love it, the low cost airlines fighting with eachother, wonderful stuff keep it up.
Just one quick word, all the comments of "oh my gosh how irresponsible" try a search of SAA and take a look at some of the irresponsible comments made there, so please dont get so sensitive when someone says something about 1time or Kulula...........it happens a lot.
yogibear, you could not pay me enough to sit infront of a computer all day..........some of us are paid to do the job we love dont need to fly a R22 around on weekends to forget the IT job
Just one quick word, all the comments of "oh my gosh how irresponsible" try a search of SAA and take a look at some of the irresponsible comments made there, so please dont get so sensitive when someone says something about 1time or Kulula...........it happens a lot.
yogibear, you could not pay me enough to sit infront of a computer all day..........some of us are paid to do the job we love dont need to fly a R22 around on weekends to forget the IT job
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Gay or not too gay, that is the question..
Fluffy, sounds gay, but it doesn’t sound like you can blow anything anyway, hence the name fluffyfan???
Flying for SAA doesn't put you at the top of the pyramid, although in your small world you might think so....
What to do when you lose your medical due to your soft nature…
Back to your electric socket…and think about your future.
IT is a good alternative. He can most probably choose when he wants to fly, and at the end of the day probably pays half your salary.
So don't step on the toes that carry the arse you might have to kiss one day. The taxpayers might get tired of you...
I’m off to Oprah… and yes, 1time will be around for a while longer...
hehehehe
Flying for SAA doesn't put you at the top of the pyramid, although in your small world you might think so....
What to do when you lose your medical due to your soft nature…
Back to your electric socket…and think about your future.
IT is a good alternative. He can most probably choose when he wants to fly, and at the end of the day probably pays half your salary.
So don't step on the toes that carry the arse you might have to kiss one day. The taxpayers might get tired of you...
I’m off to Oprah… and yes, 1time will be around for a while longer...
hehehehe
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Fluffy I also love my job in I.T........The only difference between you and I is.....you fly an aircraft belonging to someone else and I fly my own !!!!!......Does make the whole event of getting up in the morning and going flying a bit sweeter dont you think and besides.......can the aircraft you fly hover ?????Cheers Mirage....
....off to my cave (luxuriously fitted by the way) for a little sleep....
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Gents (and ladies)
There have been so many posts aimed at either "dis"information(ref LCC's) or, as is the purpose of the site, rumour verification and origination that I feel compelled to add my 13.475 cents worth. 1 Time is in great shape and going from strength to strength. "Cash only" basis with vendors would best describe the way they pay service providers at month end(several large bags filled with green). There are some sharp chaps at the helm and I think the phrase watch this space springs to mind.
There have been so many posts aimed at either "dis"information(ref LCC's) or, as is the purpose of the site, rumour verification and origination that I feel compelled to add my 13.475 cents worth. 1 Time is in great shape and going from strength to strength. "Cash only" basis with vendors would best describe the way they pay service providers at month end(several large bags filled with green). There are some sharp chaps at the helm and I think the phrase watch this space springs to mind.
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Any one know 1-Time's plans for expansion, new routes, new equipment?
Just out of interest would anyone care to comment on the fact that SA LCCs are using old aircraft as opposed to carriers in europe (easyjet/ryanair) that use new kit.
I'm just speculating but surely with the strong rand/weak dollar, and the high price of oil, wouldn't now be the time to get some shiny new aeries in the fleet.
Your thoughts gentlemen (and ladies as well of course)......
Just out of interest would anyone care to comment on the fact that SA LCCs are using old aircraft as opposed to carriers in europe (easyjet/ryanair) that use new kit.
I'm just speculating but surely with the strong rand/weak dollar, and the high price of oil, wouldn't now be the time to get some shiny new aeries in the fleet.
Your thoughts gentlemen (and ladies as well of course)......
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The reason the overseas LLC's use new/er equipment is partly due to the far stricter emissions/ noise regulations in Europe as well as their ability to buy large numbers of new aircraft (when they buy)- thus getting the price down. Getting your fares in the same currency as the one your leases are paid in also helps.
Why dont the local LLC's fly new metal? its still cheaper to fly older aircraft- lets be honest the MD82/B737-400 are still good performers on the balance sheet- especially if you have paid them off! Yes, a B737-800 will deliver lower seat mile costs (assisted by the fact that they also have more capacity) operationally, but you are going to have a heafty lease every month to pay- linked to the USD. This somewhat nullifies your savings operationally- fuel. Some may argue that the additional maintinace costs will become an issue in the longer term- D checks etc but the reality is that SA is still a cheaper place to conduct this type of work than say Europe.(The DC9's may not fall into this catagory and Im sure they will be sent up into Africa on contracts in due course- perhaps opening up a new source of revenue?)
The last reason why they dont need to fly shiney new Boeings/Airbuses is that the punters dont really care what kind of aircraft they fly in- for them its all about the price. Yes aircraft must look in good shape (1Time put leather seats into 35 year old DC9's) coupled to a slick paint job and the customer thinks the plane is quite nice. The fact that the SAA A319 parked in the bay next door is the last word in aviation technology means very little to the customer- fact is the punters would probably like it more if it had purple stiripes down the side!
Why is this so? market reaserch done in SA revelaled that safety comes in at no4 on the average customers list of priorities when choosing an airline. I guess the reason for this is that SA has a good track record in terms of aviation safety in the sheduled airline environment (lets make sure it stays that way!!) Although I have no doubt that the recent spate of media articles covering certain technical problems that some of the local airlines have been having will start to focus public attention on the age of the commercial fleet in South Africa.
Lastly the one thing that will keep the LLC's flying older metal will be the fact that in order to follow their European Cousins example and place big orders for new jets- will be the fact that the domestic market is just to small as well as being overtraded -so neither of them will achive that critical mass nessasary for that type of investment- Let me just stress here- this does not mean they will not survive- rather the market is just too small to allow for the kind of expansion we have seen in Europe. If there was an open skies policy implimented in Africa then obveously all that changes.
Anyway my 10c worth...
Why dont the local LLC's fly new metal? its still cheaper to fly older aircraft- lets be honest the MD82/B737-400 are still good performers on the balance sheet- especially if you have paid them off! Yes, a B737-800 will deliver lower seat mile costs (assisted by the fact that they also have more capacity) operationally, but you are going to have a heafty lease every month to pay- linked to the USD. This somewhat nullifies your savings operationally- fuel. Some may argue that the additional maintinace costs will become an issue in the longer term- D checks etc but the reality is that SA is still a cheaper place to conduct this type of work than say Europe.(The DC9's may not fall into this catagory and Im sure they will be sent up into Africa on contracts in due course- perhaps opening up a new source of revenue?)
The last reason why they dont need to fly shiney new Boeings/Airbuses is that the punters dont really care what kind of aircraft they fly in- for them its all about the price. Yes aircraft must look in good shape (1Time put leather seats into 35 year old DC9's) coupled to a slick paint job and the customer thinks the plane is quite nice. The fact that the SAA A319 parked in the bay next door is the last word in aviation technology means very little to the customer- fact is the punters would probably like it more if it had purple stiripes down the side!
Why is this so? market reaserch done in SA revelaled that safety comes in at no4 on the average customers list of priorities when choosing an airline. I guess the reason for this is that SA has a good track record in terms of aviation safety in the sheduled airline environment (lets make sure it stays that way!!) Although I have no doubt that the recent spate of media articles covering certain technical problems that some of the local airlines have been having will start to focus public attention on the age of the commercial fleet in South Africa.
Lastly the one thing that will keep the LLC's flying older metal will be the fact that in order to follow their European Cousins example and place big orders for new jets- will be the fact that the domestic market is just to small as well as being overtraded -so neither of them will achive that critical mass nessasary for that type of investment- Let me just stress here- this does not mean they will not survive- rather the market is just too small to allow for the kind of expansion we have seen in Europe. If there was an open skies policy implimented in Africa then obveously all that changes.
Anyway my 10c worth...
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Miragepilote (pilot does not have an e on the end) .........How old are you boet? 12?
Come back and talk to the big boys when you have grown up a bit and dont let the manager at Macdonalds find you using his computer whilst he's out.........
And the answer to the question I know you want to ask "No.....flightsim is nothing like the real thing"
Come back and talk to the big boys when you have grown up a bit and dont let the manager at Macdonalds find you using his computer whilst he's out.........
And the answer to the question I know you want to ask "No.....flightsim is nothing like the real thing"
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Thanks Deskjocky, for your post. Answers a lot of my questions. I guess Easyjet and Ryanair must have received an awesome deal from Airbus and Boeing respectively due to the scale of their ops.
My only question that really remains unanswered is that at what level the fuel price must be for the older a/c to really become un-economic. I heard the other day that it costs 400% more today to fill up than it did in December 2001. Additionally the LCC's have not adopted the practice of adding a fuel levy so ultimately this will affect the bottom line???
My only question that really remains unanswered is that at what level the fuel price must be for the older a/c to really become un-economic. I heard the other day that it costs 400% more today to fill up than it did in December 2001. Additionally the LCC's have not adopted the practice of adding a fuel levy so ultimately this will affect the bottom line???
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George Tower,
You are indeed correct- the LLC's dont impliment the fuel levies like the other carriers do. There are 2 reasons for this:
1. They have a much lower cost structure than a traditional airline- reason for this:
-lower distribution costs. Right now the average LLC in SA is spending about 3% of turnover on distribution, while the traditional airlines spend between 6%(optimistic - assuming that the 0 commisision structure has fully taken effect) and 14%(this is where the only 1 domestic carrier sits as they are still paying comissions and over rides etc) In addition to this the LLC's have no "legacy" agreements with unions, service providors etc. In addition to the obveous agreements with labour etc- a good example of this is SAA's relationship with Equity Aviation. Equity charge SAA a heafty sum to handle their airside operations, the charges are mandated in the sale agreement that was drafted when Equity(Then Apron Services) was sold onto its new shareholders- so SAA has to sit tight until the contract period comes to an end and can terminate the deal. 1Time is also handled by Equity- their rate is much much cheaper than what SAA pays due to the fact that 1Time has a choice and could play one service providor off against the other. So it costs 1Time 50% less to board a passenger than it does say SAA and there is zip SAA can do about it for at least a few more years!
2. There seems to be a different approach in the market as to how to pass on the ever increasing fuel costs- the traditional carriers have gone the way of a fuel levy as its a more transparent way of indication the effect of the fuel price. It is also cheaper to go the levy route as the traditional carriers pay all sorts of charges to overseas intermediaries to have their published fares changed in the global distribution systems- this amounts to thousands of dollars each time you change a fare- so it makes a bad situation even worse. The LLC's do not publish their fares in the same way becuase they do not sell their inventory via GDS's and so dont need to file their fares in the same way as the other airlines do- so for them its easier to just increase the fare when the fuel price goes up- which they have done. They also percieve it to be a competitive advantage over the traditional carriers as they feel its more consumer friendly and they are right- one price is all the punter wants to see!
Hope that clears it up for you!
You are indeed correct- the LLC's dont impliment the fuel levies like the other carriers do. There are 2 reasons for this:
1. They have a much lower cost structure than a traditional airline- reason for this:
-lower distribution costs. Right now the average LLC in SA is spending about 3% of turnover on distribution, while the traditional airlines spend between 6%(optimistic - assuming that the 0 commisision structure has fully taken effect) and 14%(this is where the only 1 domestic carrier sits as they are still paying comissions and over rides etc) In addition to this the LLC's have no "legacy" agreements with unions, service providors etc. In addition to the obveous agreements with labour etc- a good example of this is SAA's relationship with Equity Aviation. Equity charge SAA a heafty sum to handle their airside operations, the charges are mandated in the sale agreement that was drafted when Equity(Then Apron Services) was sold onto its new shareholders- so SAA has to sit tight until the contract period comes to an end and can terminate the deal. 1Time is also handled by Equity- their rate is much much cheaper than what SAA pays due to the fact that 1Time has a choice and could play one service providor off against the other. So it costs 1Time 50% less to board a passenger than it does say SAA and there is zip SAA can do about it for at least a few more years!
2. There seems to be a different approach in the market as to how to pass on the ever increasing fuel costs- the traditional carriers have gone the way of a fuel levy as its a more transparent way of indication the effect of the fuel price. It is also cheaper to go the levy route as the traditional carriers pay all sorts of charges to overseas intermediaries to have their published fares changed in the global distribution systems- this amounts to thousands of dollars each time you change a fare- so it makes a bad situation even worse. The LLC's do not publish their fares in the same way becuase they do not sell their inventory via GDS's and so dont need to file their fares in the same way as the other airlines do- so for them its easier to just increase the fare when the fuel price goes up- which they have done. They also percieve it to be a competitive advantage over the traditional carriers as they feel its more consumer friendly and they are right- one price is all the punter wants to see!
Hope that clears it up for you!
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To kill the Safair take over of 1time, I pulled this off the web:
http://www.businessday.co.za/article...x?ID=BD4A93657
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Posted to the web on: 20 September 2005
1Time takes cheap fares to rest of Africa
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Classic Business Day Transcript: 1Time - eyeing international routes
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THE first low-fare cross-border flights in Africa could take off next year, with South African airline 1Time saying that plans are at an advanced stage.
The no-frills, low-fare airline said yesterday that an announcement could be made in the next few weeks, and it hoped to launch the first flight next year.
1Time marketing director Rodney James said the undisclosed destination was between two and three hours away, and that the country was not a direct neighbour of SA.
He said the airline that operated the route at the moment ran at full capacity most of the time.
1Time also announced yesterday that it had concluded a R20m deal with Imperial Group subsidiary Safair for the acquisition of an MD83 aircraft to enter into service at the end of the month.
1Time CE Glenn Orsmond said that the longer-range capabilities of the new aircraft compared with its current MD82s would give the airline the flexibility to expand its services into Africa.
Orsmond said that the lease cost was fixed in rand terms for the duration of the contract, which made the deal “very attractive”. He said the lease rate was also based on depressed post-September 11 aircraft values, which ensured 1Time a long-term cost advantage.
The airline said the larger aircraft would enable it to keep fares low, despite high jet fuel prices.
The MD83 will replace one of 1Time’s 110-seater DC9-32 aircraft.
1Time now operates a fleet of six aircraft, carrying 80000 passengers a month. The low-fare carrier recently launched its first coastal route — between East London and Cape Town.
http://www.businessday.co.za/article...x?ID=BD4A93657
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Posted to the web on: 20 September 2005
1Time takes cheap fares to rest of Africa
Carli Lourens
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Classic Business Day Transcript: 1Time - eyeing international routes
Trade and Industry Editor
THE first low-fare cross-border flights in Africa could take off next year, with South African airline 1Time saying that plans are at an advanced stage.
The no-frills, low-fare airline said yesterday that an announcement could be made in the next few weeks, and it hoped to launch the first flight next year.
1Time marketing director Rodney James said the undisclosed destination was between two and three hours away, and that the country was not a direct neighbour of SA.
He said the airline that operated the route at the moment ran at full capacity most of the time.
1Time also announced yesterday that it had concluded a R20m deal with Imperial Group subsidiary Safair for the acquisition of an MD83 aircraft to enter into service at the end of the month.
1Time CE Glenn Orsmond said that the longer-range capabilities of the new aircraft compared with its current MD82s would give the airline the flexibility to expand its services into Africa.
Orsmond said that the lease cost was fixed in rand terms for the duration of the contract, which made the deal “very attractive”. He said the lease rate was also based on depressed post-September 11 aircraft values, which ensured 1Time a long-term cost advantage.
The airline said the larger aircraft would enable it to keep fares low, despite high jet fuel prices.
The MD83 will replace one of 1Time’s 110-seater DC9-32 aircraft.
1Time now operates a fleet of six aircraft, carrying 80000 passengers a month. The low-fare carrier recently launched its first coastal route — between East London and Cape Town.
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Jeez, Fluffy...
Most Spoories drivers I know are a good bunch of blokes. You must stick out like a sore thumb with that attitude. Angling for a management position, perhaps...
PP
Good news!! Great to hear of expansion in airlines as it means more jobs for aircrew. That can't be a bad thing.
Back to irritating the HR folks at 1Time into giving me a job.
Most Spoories drivers I know are a good bunch of blokes. You must stick out like a sore thumb with that attitude. Angling for a management position, perhaps...
PP
Good news!! Great to hear of expansion in airlines as it means more jobs for aircrew. That can't be a bad thing.
Back to irritating the HR folks at 1Time into giving me a job.
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A bit huffy fluffy
hehehehehe
Thanks fluffy, I had a good giggle....hehehehe
I will be flying with 1Time in December, with my parents concent of course and will be doing so next Decmber as well when I turn 13.
Oh yes, 1Time is here to stay, not sure though if SAA will be in business if huffy fluffy becomes a manager at SAA.
And wherever they go I will be onboard GT, as their aircrew and cabincrew is much friendlier SAA's.
hehehehe
Thanks fluffy, I had a good giggle....hehehehe
I will be flying with 1Time in December, with my parents concent of course and will be doing so next Decmber as well when I turn 13.
Oh yes, 1Time is here to stay, not sure though if SAA will be in business if huffy fluffy becomes a manager at SAA.
And wherever they go I will be onboard GT, as their aircrew and cabincrew is much friendlier SAA's.
hehehehe