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Junkflyer 10th Mar 2024 19:39

Have not worked on the 777, but on other wide bodies we would torque the nut to a specific value while spinning the wheel to seat the bearings.
It would then be backed off and torqued within the proper range and the the lock bolts were installed.
A sign off in the US should include installed per Maintenance Manual Reference number for the particular procedure.

EXDAC 10th Mar 2024 20:12


Originally Posted by Capt Quentin McHale (Post 11612649)
and it is this matching bevelled shape of the bearings and bearing seats that pretty much holds the wheel on the axle.

Taper roller bearing naturally want to increase the separation between the inner races. Something has to oppose that natural separation force or the wheel will depart. An axle nut typically provides that retaining force. The axle nut holds the taper roller bearing with the correct loading and also keeps the entire wheel assembly on the axle.

The taper (or bevel as you describe it) of the bearings does not contribute to retaining the wheel. It does exactly the opposite.

In what way does the 777 wheel assembly defy these general principles?

TURIN 10th Mar 2024 21:54


Originally Posted by Capt Quentin McHale (Post 11612649)
aeromech3,

With respect, wheel rotation has nothing to do with tightening or loosening of said axle nut. The nut is torqued up against a keyed washer/spacer which in turn rests up against the outer wheel bearing face. This in turn holds the bevelled shape of the outer bearing against the matching bevelled shape of the outer bearing seat on the outer wheel hub (same for inner bearing and bearing seat assembly on the inner wheel hub), and it is this matching bevelled shape of the bearings and bearing seats that pretty much holds the wheel on the axle.
The wheel nut and washer/spacer are there to keep the whole assembly together and prevent lateral movement of the wheel and bearings on the axle. So, if the wheel nut was installed WITHOUT the wheel nut lock bolts , there is nothing to prevent the wheel nut eventually backing off and the wheel departing.

Rgds McHale.

You are assuming the spacer and lock nuts were fitted.....

Capt Quentin McHale 10th Mar 2024 22:52

EXDAC,

You are indeed correct.

Turin,

Not assuming anything, just saying without lock nuts the wheel nut may back off.

Rgds McHale.

TURIN 11th Mar 2024 01:59


Originally Posted by Capt Quentin McHale (Post 11612914)
Turin,

Not assuming anything, just saying without lock nuts the wheel nut may back off.

Rgds McHale.

That isn't in doubt.
No idea how we got here, I think two or three of us are talking at crossed purposes.

Capt Quentin McHale 11th Mar 2024 03:00

TURIN,

Agree, however I should have worded it better.

Rgds McHale.

aeromech3 11th Mar 2024 12:09

Just seen Stig shift, I ignore his comments, as far as I am concerned, if UA shop did the NDT or the bearing was over-loaded by torque or lack of grease or the wheel had been subject to very high temperature on earlier flights due to hot brakes.
No doubt there will be a few more to add to those possibilities. That is the brake heat sheild in the background.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....433fd2468c.png

Rebus 12th Mar 2024 06:44

It is possible to seat the washer against the shoulder of the axle and not on the axle itself but it should be noticeable. The safety bolt holes just about line up. I've also seen the tapered washer fitted back to front, again noticeable.

ST Dog 12th Mar 2024 20:23


At 7:56-8:10 the brakes appear intact. Looks like the axel nut came off.

JRBarrett 12th Mar 2024 21:25


Originally Posted by ST Dog (Post 11614330)
https://youtu.be/q4Dd50d45Bc?si=TrZHbKD-f3UY8nOj&t=476

At 7:56-8:10 the brakes appear intact. Looks like the axel nut came off.

No it did not. Pictures have been published of the axel of the incident aircraft after it landed at KLAX. See post number 47 just above.The axel nut and its locking bolts are still intact and installed. It appears either the wheel hub failed and/or the bearings disintegrated.

ST Dog 12th Mar 2024 21:45


Originally Posted by JRBarrett (Post 11614364)
No it did not. Pictures have been published of the axel of the incident aircraft after it landed at KLAX. See post number 47 just above.The axel nut and its locking bolts are still intact and installed. It appears either the wheel hub failed and/or the bearings disintegrated.

Just saw the picture at 2:30 in Juan's video today.


Nothing in post #47 made me think it was a photo of the incident aircraft.
Had to look up Stig shift. Then it's buried 20 minutes into a 45minute video not focused on the incident.

MechEngr 12th Mar 2024 23:26

Sometimes the dildo of fate arrives unlubed. Possibly that was also the case for the bearings on that wheel assembly. Time to check the storeroom to see how long the bearings have been on the shelf or if the new guy knows they need to fill with grease before installation.

Also check to see if the brakes were dragging. Had that happen on a car because the internal rubber sleeve in the brakeline collapsed; fluid could pump out but would not be allowed back. Wheel got to over 200F at the center.

If it's the brakes aren't there temp probes to detect overtemp?

aeromech3 13th Mar 2024 04:16

In our small aircraft wheel shop, attached to my last hangar set up, the specific greasing of the bearings was strictly applied and itemised on the wheel build sheets (preferred manufacturer had a red colour); the bearings stayed with the wheel and a dummy retainer long bolt with plastic dustbin shape wheel protectors keep the assy together.
The grease retainer (bonded rubber to metal disc/plate) would also be a contributing factor in the bearings life.
Did I understand, this aircraft had been overnight before the incident and yes brake temps are displayed, but who is looking; on older models they would have a green band etc and most Crew know that after T/O especially after short turnarounds or long taxi, they might leave the undercarriage down for longer to cool the brakes/wheels.
I have had aircraft arrive on stand, (mostly L1011) having had some newly fitted brakes at a previous night stop station and those steel brakes have been glowing hot; despite having a FE with the temperature read out on his panel, not a word over the headset; luckily for them we just divert the ground air con hoses onto those brakes before the fuse plug went.
Conversely I have had plugs blow on wheels, were the crew had not released the park brake after the chocks in signal!
The culmination of repetitive hot wheels would be a gradual loss of bearing grease or properties.
The incident aircraft outer bearing cage and rollers had likely disintegrated than the multi spokes of the wheel outer hub.
p.s. my memories of the Line/Ramp ended 16 years ago and so experiences today might be a lot different.

exeng 13th Mar 2024 23:11

I am told by a person who works for United that this incident was a result of axle failure.


Kind regards
Exeng

aeromech3 14th Mar 2024 05:58


Originally Posted by exeng (Post 11615223)
I am told by a person who works for United that this incident was a result of axle failure.

The video's all show the axle intact and the inner bearing race and its outer track resting on the axle, only the wheel and outer race parts are missing.
No doubt as good practice the axle was changed having been subject to high stress and temperatures and subject within the incident.https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....49370c2b3e.png

MechEngr 14th Mar 2024 06:04

That's what happens when they don't have the balls to work in aviation.

Ok, ok, probably tapered roller bearings but that's not a great basis for humor. Probably the spacer/a spacer was the first to go and after that it all degrades really fast.

aeromech3 14th Mar 2024 06:14

Ref to the axle end in the picture, the number of threads visible would be quite normal, hence the axle nut is in the correct torqued position, hence most likely the spacer is still present, would you not agree MechEngr ?
To add, the position of the axle nut locking bolts look normal and as the holes in the axle are most precise and the slots in the nut give limited tolerance, the bolts look about mid slot.

My interest is to deflect any unwarranted criticism of the wheel change crew but also to acknowledge that this incident is more serious than a few bent cars. The incident happening off airfield is one of more consequence, but also if a similar incident befalls a wheel in a different position, the retraction of the U/C could be impaired or indeed jammed with more serious consequences.

MechEngr 14th Mar 2024 06:30

The spacer in the bearing that keeps the rollers separated. If it is one piece it gets called a cage, but some bearings use individual spacers between the balls or rollers as it allows a better fluid film to form and presents a larger area to decrease the contact pressure.

The spacer on the axle, sure, it all looks in place.


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