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Tartiflette Fan 17th Jul 2022 19:06


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11263178)
There's no reference to mortar rounds in that link. Other sources suggest it was carrying land mines.

What difference does that make to anything, Dave ?

DaveReidUK 17th Jul 2022 19:48


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11263263)
What difference does that make to anything, Dave ?

It may or may not have made a difference to the outcome - I don't know. Do you?

NutLoose 17th Jul 2022 19:56


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11263279)
It may or may not have made a difference to the outcome - I don't know. Do you?

It was carrying 11.5 tonnes of munitions and 8 crew, tragic :(.

https://news.sky.com/story/plane-rep...reece-12653566

i can’t quote it as the site is playing up again on this thread on my iPad, I wish they’d stop using” soviet era aircraft “ It’s a Ukrainian built aircraft.

was it on fire before the crash?


again nothing to do with the war.

DaveReidUK 17th Jul 2022 20:10

I'm not a fan of Sky News, but I think in this instance we can cut them a bit of slack - the accident aircraft was built in 1971 and spent its first 20+ years flying for Aeroflot.

Tartiflette Fan 17th Jul 2022 20:34


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11263279)
It may or may not have made a difference to the outcome - I don't know. Do you?

Are you being serious ? The difference between a mixed load of mortar shells and land -mines* in an airplane -crash ? What do you want - neutron-microscopic analysis of the difference in explosive effect ? Just what is the point you are trying to make ?

* Subsequently reported by numerous outlets

FUMR 17th Jul 2022 21:29

Sorry guys, but this is another thread drift. Other than being an Ukrainian registered aircraft:
- It was operating for a civilian operator
- It's operation was in no way connected to the war going on in the Ukraine.
- There's a thread already running on this accident in the Accidents and Close Calls forum.
The mods may disagree with me, in which case fair enough, but I see no connection between the Ukrainian-Russian conflict and this accident.

NutLoose 17th Jul 2022 22:31

Totally agree, I said above nothing to do with the war, I wish people would stop adding stuff when they hear the words Ukraine and Soviet.

dogle 17th Jul 2022 22:49

Here's a more recent link:

https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/11...now-retrieved/

DaveReidUK 18th Jul 2022 07:12


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11263292)
Are you being serious ? The difference between a mixed load of mortar shells and land -mines* in an airplane -crash ? What do you want - neutron-microscopic analysis of the difference in explosive effect ? Just what is the point you are trying to make ?

I've already made my point - that it's possible the precise nature of the munitions being transported may have affected the survivability of the crash (given the reports that the aircraft exploded on impact).

You are of course free to assert otherwise, but until we see the results of the investigation, that's all it is - an assertion.


* Subsequently reported by numerous outlets
Yes, news reports subsequent to the one that I quoted contain more information. Believe it or not, that's how news works ...

MacRS 18th Jul 2022 08:54


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11263292)
Are you being serious ? The difference between a mixed load of mortar shells and land -mines* in an airplane -crash ? What do you want - neutron-microscopic analysis of the difference in explosive effect ? Just what is the point you are trying to make ?

* Subsequently reported by numerous outlets

More like are you serious?

Dave just commented that the link NutLoose posted didn't mention mortars shells but other sources said landimines. Then you're off on one challenging him about what's the difference!


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