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Bloated Stomach 3rd Oct 2021 14:11

Small plane crashes into empty building outside Milan, all 8 onboard die
 
Just been reported.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ie-2021-10-03/

Bonzo777 3rd Oct 2021 15:10

Aircraft registered in Romania.

DaveReidUK 3rd Oct 2021 16:09

2015-built Pilatus PC-12.

Del Prado 3rd Oct 2021 16:31

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...r-pdv#295f5ded

Just a spotter 3rd Oct 2021 17:08

PC-12 crash, Milan, Italy 3rd Oct 2021
 
Reports of a Pilatus PC-12 with 8 on-board crashing soon after take off from Linate airport.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/03/...n-milan-suburb

DaveReidUK 3rd Oct 2021 19:02

The empty building under construction that the PC-12 hit is directly across the road from a 6-storey car park that serves the terminus of the Milan metro line M3.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fc40811713.jpg

Could have been a whole lot worse.

Milano, precipita un ultraleggero: incendio a San Donato (mediaset.it)

nevillestyke 3rd Oct 2021 19:46

Sad news.
 
Ironically, the crash site was in via 8 ottobre 2001, named to commemorate the previous Linate crash in which one of my wife's fellow Unilever employees died, along with 117 others.

Mike Flynn 3rd Oct 2021 20:40

One of Romanias richest men according to this report.
https://www.italy24news.com/local/208989.html

DaveReidUK 3rd Oct 2021 22:29

nevillestyke

That would have been sadly ironic had it been true, but it isn't (though it's not far away). The building hit is in Via Giuseppe ("Peppino") Impastato, opposite the Emilia MSCP (visible on Google Maps/GE though not yet on Streetview).

Incidentally the ADS-B data suggests that the PC-12 augured in from 5000'.

Gianni57 4th Oct 2021 14:37

Italian media spoke about an engine failure based on testimonies by people on the ground. I think that it's the usual emotional reaction to the shock of watching an air crash: "ball of fire", "trail of fire" etc. Looking at the data available on Flightradar24, it's clear that the engine was running (positive rate of climb, even if very unstable) and that the pilot didn't try to land again in LIML (he passed the threshold of runway 36 without descending). My guess: crew incapacitation; or incorrect air data due to failure of static and/or dynamic ports.

B2N2 4th Oct 2021 22:11


Originally Posted by Mike Flynn (Post 11120798)
One of Romanias richest men according to this report.
https://www.italy24news.com/local/208989.html

How many enemies did he make I wonder.

DaveReidUK 4th Oct 2021 22:13


Originally Posted by Gianni57 (Post 11121117)
Italian media spoke about an engine failure based on testimonies by people on the ground. I think that it's the usual emotional reaction to the shock of watching an air crash: "ball of fire", "trail of fire" etc.

There are media reports citing CCTV images showing that the aircraft was on fire prior to impact, so not just eyewitness reports.

AN2 Driver 5th Oct 2021 08:52


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11121346)
There are media reports citing CCTV images showing that the aircraft was on fire prior to impact, so not just eyewitness reports.

If they are quoting then they should either publish the images or shut up. Because if they can't be produced, they most probably don't exist.

what next 5th Oct 2021 10:58


Originally Posted by AN2 Driver (Post 11121545)
Because if they can't be produced, they most probably don't exist.

The italian newspaper "Corriere dell Sera" writes today (5. October): "Nei filmati sulla tragedia di Linate non si vedono fiamme prima dello schianto sulla palazzina in ristrutturazione" (unfortunately the rest of the article is behind a paywall for me) which translates to: In the films taken from the tragedy at Linate there are no flames visible before the aircraft crashes into the construction site.

DaveReidUK 5th Oct 2021 13:21


Originally Posted by AN2 Driver (Post 11121545)
If they are quoting then they should either publish the images or shut up. Because if they can't be produced, they most probably don't exist.

Fair point.

And one that, I'm sure you'll agree, could equally be applied to the quote about videos (as yet unseen) showing the aircraft wasn't on fire ...

treadigraph 5th Oct 2021 13:56

Interesting, I see it was recently fitted with an MT 7-bladed prop. New one on me, quietens the type down apparently. Having M-ARTY amongst others regularly zip over my house at 1500' or so, I wouldn't have said it was particularly noisy.

B2N2 5th Oct 2021 14:11

Engine failures in SET’s are rare unless it’s been abused.
Owner flown, over temped on startup and took off anyway?
I have no PC-12 time, is it FADEC like everything else these days?
Auto start?

starling60 5th Oct 2021 15:45

Doesn't look on fire from what I see but that's a vertical dive.

Aereo caduto a Milano, il video dell'incidente: ecco gli ultimi due secondi del Pilatus in volo- Corriere.it

Hope video is visible to non subscribers.

EatMyShorts! 5th Oct 2021 15:48

The PC12 is high tech with FADEC and all the bells and whistles. This accident looks like loss of control inflight - probably the typical owner-pilot case?

DaveReidUK 5th Oct 2021 16:00


Originally Posted by starling60 (Post 11121753)
Doesn't look on fire from what I see but that's a vertical dive.

Aereo caduto a Milano, il video dell'incidente: ecco gli ultimi due secondi del Pilatus in volo- Corriere.it

Hope video is visible to non subscribers.

Behind the Corriere's paywall, but the same dashcam stills are visible here.

Appears to support the ADS-B data that indicates a 10,000+ fpm ROD.


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