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1a sound asleep 11th Apr 2019 09:33

AA A321 takes off after smashing ground sign
 

American Airlines A321-231 (N114NN) taxiing out at New York-JFK New York on flight #AA300 to Los Angeles with 109 pax was damaged when its left outer wing struck a sign leaving a large dent on the wing.

Despite the damage, the flight took off.

The pilots then contacted the New York Center controller and stated their intentions to return to JFK Airport, citing they had a "strong roll to the left" on departure

DaveReidUK 11th Apr 2019 11:33

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ceb92012b0.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/aa3...G&__tn__=*NK-R

jewitts 11th Apr 2019 11:43

US News reporting says passenger witnesses claim the plane went to a 90 degree angle on takeoff and hit a runway light. Doesn't sound right.

RAC/OPS 11th Apr 2019 11:45


Originally Posted by jewitts (Post 10445071)
US News reporting says passenger witnesses claim the plane went to a 90 degree angle on takeoff and hit a runway light. Doesn't sound right.

sounds about right for a news report though!

737 Driver 11th Apr 2019 12:26

Word is that at rotation, aircraft lurched left follow by left wing drop, and hit a runway remaining sign before liftoff.

Wake turbulence maybe?

SteinarN 11th Apr 2019 13:04


Originally Posted by RAC/OPS (Post 10445076)


sounds about right for a news report though!

Hahahaha :D

chuks 11th Apr 2019 13:12

What sort of a sign would be installed on movement areas of an airport so high off the ground that a taxying aircraft could hit it with its outer wing? What is that, 15 or 20 feet up?

DaveReidUK 11th Apr 2019 13:19


Originally Posted by chuks (Post 10445145)
What sort of a sign would be installed on movement areas of an airport so high off the ground that a taxying aircraft could hit it with its outer wing? What is that, 15 or 20 feet up?

Other possible scenarios are available. :O

Micky 11th Apr 2019 13:31


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10445152)
Other possible scenarios are available. :O



Maybe there tried something like this

BluSdUp 11th Apr 2019 15:35

Ernst Udet
 
Arch Du Liber!
This chap was brilliant , 62 enemy aircraft shot down in WW1
Barnstormer in the 20s and developed the Stuka in the 1930s together with Melitta Staufenberg.


Sailvi767 11th Apr 2019 15:54

With 13L/31R closed until next Nov JFK tower is very reluctant to come off the 4/22 runways for landings regardless of crosswind. Don’t know the winds yesterday but there will be lots of crosswind training there this summer. If the go to 13/31 they are single runway ops which means massive delays.

Airbubba 11th Apr 2019 16:52

AA300 reported 'we were banking an uncontrolled bank 45 degrees to the left' and 'an uncommanded roll to the left as we rotated' on takeoff to New York Center on 134.6 as they were leveling at FL200 and said they wanted to return to JFK. They said the aircraft was 'fine' but that they wanted to get it checked out.

wiedehopf 11th Apr 2019 19:08


Originally Posted by Sailvi767 (Post 10445256)
With 13L/31R closed until next Nov JFK tower is very reluctant to come off the 4/22 runways for landings regardless of crosswind. Donít know the winds yesterday but there will be lots of crosswind training there this summer. If the go to 13/31 they are single runway ops which means massive delays.

Ironically they departed 31L from KE intersection with winds of 010 at 17 reported by tower prior to takeoff roll.

So 04L would have actually been less crosswind, but they were departing 04L and 31L KE dependingn on the first fix on the route.
(Flights with first fix RBV are in that scenario generally departed 31L KE)

Lord Farringdon 11th Apr 2019 19:39


Originally Posted by Micky (Post 10445156)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7sBJ7Qky8Y


Maybe there tried something like this

Oh now come on. He should know you're not supposed to smoke within 50 feet of the aircraft! Every thing else seemed safe? :)

Lord Farringdon 11th Apr 2019 19:57


Originally Posted by Micky (Post 10445156)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7sBJ7Qky8Y


Maybe there tried something like this

LOL. Must be a near cousin of Lord Flasheart this guy.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....99cfdac94e.jpg

"Captain Darling? Funny name for a guy isn't it? Last person I called darling was pregant twenty seconds later"

Lord Farringdon 11th Apr 2019 21:14

Doesn't take much! Certainly not the media reported 90 degs!!!! Still not sure whether the damage occurred on the ground and affected longitudinal stability immediately after the wheels left the ground (which the crew reported) or, did this happen very shortly after take off?



https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....028d38aae3.png

CurtainTwitcher 11th Apr 2019 21:21


Originally Posted by Lord Farringdon (Post 10445462)
LOL. Must be a near cousin of Lord Flasheart this guy.


"Captain Darling? Funny name for a guy isn't it? Last person I called darling was pregant twenty seconds later"

Blackadder: Always treat your kite like you treat your woman - Lord Flasheart



Auxtank 11th Apr 2019 21:30

The R & N thread is becoming the domicile of non-pilots and jokers with little emphasis paid/ professional input applied, to the story being told who think Blackadder was funny. It was in parts, like the curate's egg.

But really, this thread should be a serious discussion (does anyone remember how to do that?) on current affairs and industry news, rumours, happenings, reported mishaps and upsets and accidents.

Save the other stuff for Jet Blast.

Lord Farringdon 12th Apr 2019 02:28


Originally Posted by Auxtank (Post 10445521)
The R & N thread is becoming the domicile of non-pilots and jokers with little emphasis paid/ professional input applied, to the story being told who think Blackadder was funny. It was in parts, like the curate's egg.

But really, this thread should be a serious discussion (does anyone remember how to do that?) on current affairs and industry news, rumours, happenings, reported mishaps and upsets and accidents.

Save the other stuff for Jet Blast.


Your post is a bit like the Curates egg too. It raises some goods points about serious discussion then complete ignores it's own advise and comes across as a 10,000 post forum administrator giving everyone a stern talking too!! Perhaps you could follow your own advice and spend more time discussing the subject at hand maybe by helping to answer my question at post #16?

WingNut60 12th Apr 2019 03:16


Originally Posted by Auxtank (Post 10445521)
...........

Save the other stuff for Jet Blast.

Some funny things happening with PPRune site at the moment; thread jumps, lost posts, etc.
The Blackadder post seems right out of context (to me).

Maybe just a victim of the thread jumping.



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