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Maoraigh1 19th Sep 2018 19:25

Landing at a grass strip, the pilot has no way of assessing its softness, wetness, or grass length. He has to rely on information given. There's usually no qualification for the person giving this information, other than a radio licence.
I've landed and only on getting out, stepping into standing water under the grass, realized how wet it was. (I did manage to take-off, with mud splattered on top of the wings.) If arriving from a distance, you've no way of knowing how much rain there's been, or how it has drained and evaporated.

treadigraph 19th Sep 2018 20:09


Originally Posted by rolling20 (Post 10252925)
Having read that report and from my own experience of going into short fields and I am not criticising, just making observations. He would still have been heavy 6 up on landing. The distance of 489m doesn't leave much room for error. Why did he raise the flaps?

I have heard tell of other pilots raising the flaps to reduce lift and increase weight on wheels and therefore braking action after touch down. Can't comment whether that is a sound methodology though, but presumably drag also helps reduce landing distance?

rolling20 19th Sep 2018 21:31

That sounds like a ' performance' landing, if such a thing exsists? Leaving the flap down ,would as you say, create more drag. Also I am surprised that he raised them on the runway, always taught that was a no no in a retractable aircraft.

Mike Flynn 21st Sep 2018 22:08

Given the weather conditions reported he must have also undertaken some sort of GPS let down.
Not wise with passengers in to such a congested short waterlogged grass strip on a very wet day?

happybiker 25th Sep 2018 19:55


Originally Posted by Jay Sata (Post 10255056)
Given the weather conditions reported he must have also undertaken some sort of GPS let down.
Not wise with passengers in to such a congested short waterlogged grass strip on a very wet day?

Would this have happened if the flight had been carried out by an AOC operator? Who paid?


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