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Kulverstukas 2nd Sep 2017 13:59

An-2 crashed at airshow "70 years of An-2" at Chernoe (MARZ)
 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYiKcwJlPPh/
https://ren.tv/player/224541#autoplay
https://lentaru.media.eagleplatform....103&player=new

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https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/2069...c9f86630_L.jpg https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/2176...ed69aa8e_L.jpg

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/2023...94f6874e_L.jpg https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/2069...29346dbf_L.jpg

Kulverstukas 2nd Sep 2017 14:45

https://cdn.iz.ru/sites/default/file...?itok=sT0ALn-F
(c) Moskva24/Lidia Shironina

Kulverstukas 2nd Sep 2017 15:30

https://cdn.aviaforum.ru/images/2017...d8641c2262.JPG

Kulverstukas 2nd Sep 2017 15:34

https://iz.ru/video/embed/640581#autoplay

parkfell 2nd Sep 2017 16:48

Stalled in the turn? Increasing G against speed

The video is quite revealing.....

Basil 2nd Sep 2017 18:06

Got fixated on following the planned line or avoiding going past the crowd line?
Dreadful.

Kulverstukas 2nd Sep 2017 20:36


Piltdown Man 2nd Sep 2017 21:32

Was it stalled or was it misjudgement? The entry and line followed suggested that high speed, a low level turning pass was planned. A family event was turned into a horrible one when the aircraft descended at least 10' lower than it was "safe". Only in Russia.

Concours77 2nd Sep 2017 22:16

When in doubt, roll out. Tightening the turn feels right, but is so wrong.

Hotel Tango. I agree. "Only in Russia". What nonsense.

In the last of the videos, the pilot looks to have rolled right a couple times, to shallow his dive, and from the response, I think he thought he had it made. Hindsight 20/20. Just to say an air show emphasizes drama, and some risk above the normal is expected.

Piltdown. In review, it appears closer than at first. It won't help the family, but the mistake was one that's been made before, with better results. I know nothing about the aircraft except to say it is one huge and heavy single.

A similar? The Colonel who tried knife edge flight at Fairbanks, with similar results. In a B-52.

Hotel Tango 2nd Sep 2017 22:35


Only in Russia.
I totally disagree with that generalisation!


You have to admit that quite a few spectators go along just in the hope of witnessing something like this.
Sorry, but on the basis that aeroplane accidents at air shows are unlikely to be survivable, I vehemently disagree with that. There might be one or two sickos, as there always are in society, but to suggest that "quite a few" go in the hope of seeing someone killed is sick in itself!

Vessbot 2nd Sep 2017 22:54


Originally Posted by Concours77 (Post 9880622)
When in doubt, roll out. Tightening the turn feels right, but is so wrong.

100% correct. This is why it's important to learn (and teach) to think in terms of lift vector control. The ailerons aim it, the elevator makes you go where it's aimed, but only under a long list of provisos. Best to aim it away from the ground first, and ask questions later.

The naive, easy, and deadly way to teach flying is as an extension of driving a car, with the addition of the "elevator" that moves you up and down. Not so. One of Wolfgang Langewiesche's high points in his book Stick and Rudder is his doing away with the word "elevator" for the control surface in questions.

DaMoopies 3rd Sep 2017 00:10

Here's some more interesting information about the craft
 
Interested persons should look up An-2 and North Korea. Not allowed to post relevant links, but wowie, they have a bunch of them and apparently well thought out plans to use them.

galaxy flyer 3rd Sep 2017 00:49


Originally Posted by Concours77 (Post 9880622)
When in doubt, roll out. Tightening the turn feels right, but is so wrong.

Hotel Tango. I agree. "Only in Russia". What nonsense.

In the last of the videos, the pilot looks to have rolled right a couple times, to shallow his dive, and from the response, I think he thought he had it made. Hindsight 20/20. Just to say an air show emphasizes drama, and some risk above the normal is expected.

Piltdown. In review, it appears closer than at first. It won't help the family, but the mistake was one that's been made before, with better results. I know nothing about the aircraft except to say it is one huge and heavy single.

A similar? The Colonel who tried knife edge flight at Fairbanks, with similar results. In a B-52.

That was Lt Col Bud Holland at Spokane, WA Fairchild AFB. He was reentering the pattern, I believe. Wing/CV took a fall via General Court "dereliction of duty".

I find it hard to believe tha AN-2 was designed for acro--drag of brick and wings that don't inspire roll rate.

rotornut 3rd Sep 2017 02:36


Only in Russia
Or Canada:

tdracer 3rd Sep 2017 03:17


That was Lt Col Bud Holland at Spokane, WA Fairchild AFB. He was reentering the pattern, I believe. Wing/CV took a fall via General Court "dereliction of duty".
If I recall correctly, he was practicing for an airshow, not entering the pattern.

ATC Watcher 3rd Sep 2017 05:52

The An-2 has never been designed to do aerobatics, even low key as done here, doing so at low level is definitively not recommended as reactions on the controls are slow and with inertia. ( I have flown it)

I am also doing presentations at airshows with an aircraft not designed for it. Better keep to low passes and tight turns , and not try to imitate stuff you see the Extra do, like here..
That said,another very sad day for the airshow community , and RIP to the pilot..:(

treadigraph 3rd Sep 2017 06:19


A similar? The Colonel who tried knife edge flight at Fairbanks, with similar results. In a B-52.
There was also a display (practice?) C-17 accident out of a tight turn after take off at Anchorage a few years ago.

Metro man 3rd Sep 2017 07:28

The North Koreans have 300 of these to deliver troops behind South Korean lines. Fabric covered, flying low and slow they are very difficult to detect. Even if airfields get knocked out they can still take off from roads or improvised strips.

AndiKunzi 3rd Sep 2017 07:43

Rudder and aileron do not seem to be in a position to recover, even right before impact.

Super VC-10 3rd Sep 2017 08:55


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 9880697)
That was Lt Col Bud Holland at Spokane, WA Fairchild AFB. He was reentering the pattern, I believe. Wing/CV took a fall via General Court "dereliction of duty".

I find it hard to believe tha AN-2 was designed for acro--drag of brick and wings that don't inspire roll rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_F...ase_B-52_crash


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